Ford Everest SUV replaces Landrovers in SAF
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The Bronco is also a likely candidate. Maybe more suitable for rear mop-up operations and not really for frontline duty due to armour considerations.Originally posted by Shotgun:Not to mention that its a pretty wide vehicle and might bump other road users.
And no, our infantrymen won't be riding in those SUVs lar... they will have the Terrex! =D
You must see a Bronco to believe this...its like the sports car of armoured vehicles....unfortunately, I have not seen any on the move Terrex yet....
Our infantry will gradually become much more mobile, better protected and with less leg injuries! Like the Soviet motor rifle comapnies.
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Anyway the money is paid to Regent Motors Singapore, so eventually it's our own firm that earns a bit , perhaps from the mark-up.Originally posted by tankee1981:Thats because our government have the good sense of separating these two issues. Like our PM said, the Shincorp deal is a business decision.
Similarly, our choice of Ford SUVs is also a business decision. One which emphasizes the pros of the vehicle (such as lower costs) instead of considering our relations with it's country of manufacture. -
Its likely that these Fords will not be directly involved in any offensive operations or used in unstable situations(eg peace-keeping in Somalia)Originally posted by LazerLordz:Ask those idiots doing procurement.
These vehicles will not survive in a war. Period.
However, it's Ford that's earning our sales, not the Thai military.
Its more likely to have a more administrative role, very much like what our Rovers are doing now.
I have been thinking,since we are up-armouring some of our 5-tonners, maybe these new Fords will have at least some form of armour protection against sharpnel and small arms. There is no way to confirm this at the moment as there is no mention of any form of additional protection on top of the original civilian vehicle chasis. -
SAF never totally got rid of any old stuff even after it have been totally phased out. Thats because when the going gets really tough, our uncles from Mindef Reserve may need to use these old stuff.Originally posted by mhcampboy:meaning.. all land rovers will be phased out??.....and no longer in use?
I can still see some Mercedes 3 tonners under wraps during my last ICT! These babies are really retro stuff! -
Hmm, when are the Terrex really going to in ??
Anyway, Hopefully, the SUVs are going to be electronically tagged to the stupid speed limit of 50 ... No more irritating beep beep beep sounds from the rover anymore. And on the bright side ... got air-con (n that depends on how well the air con is maintained ... ) -
In the (late-80's?) when the Merc was introduced, it was rumoured that a few "turn turtle" incidents happened because the COG was allegedly "too high".Originally posted by Manager433:Tell me whats wrong wif this jeeps? I operated them during my active and NSmen days.
I guess maybe it is just teething problem of people getting used to new equipment but if the rumours were true, there was supposedly at least one fatality.
EDIT: And this rumour could be true too as we didn't buy many more Merc jeeps. But you would know better. -
Can't be. I ever drove some mercs jeeps mounted wif high cage ( sensitive equipments ) and never see one over turn b4. EVen when driving in ROC!Originally posted by chino65:In the (late-80's?) when the Merc was introduced, it was rumoured that a few "turn turtle" incidents happened because the COG was allegedly "too high".
I guess maybe it is just teething problem of people getting used to new equipment but if the rumours were true, there was supposedly at least one fatality.
EDIT: And this rumour could be true too as we didn't buy many more Merc jeeps. But you would know better. -
To be fair, we don't have to personally experience something for it to be true (or not). We decide for ourselves what to believe or not.Originally posted by Manager433:Can't be. I ever drove some mercs jeeps mounted wif high cage ( sensitive equipments ) and never see one over turn b4. EVen when driving in ROC!
For example, my whole battalion rode in V200 without problem. But does it means its reputation for turning turtle is untrue? Dunno...
Another is that of chamber explosions in M16. I have never experienced one nor hear of one. But apparently they did happen which is why the SAR-21 has added protection.
Remember that these incidents with the Merc jeep occured early on. The drivers were probably converting from the old jeep to the Merc and were not used to the handling differences.
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MB GD290 was the mainstay of engineer recce forces. No incidents there.
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What are the different weapon systems mounted on SAF jeeps?
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I have seen quite a number of pics of European SF operating in Mercs G wagons in Afghanistan. Their vehicles are even more loaded with equipments and gears, I wonder do they turn turtle dat much, or is it NSF like to drive like Jay chou in his toufu truck, thus causing the mishaps.
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can't get to paste a pic here.
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Most rugged vehicles have high clearances. Maybe that's why?Originally posted by chino65:In the (late-80's?) when the Merc was introduced, it was rumoured that a few "turn turtle" incidents happened because the COG was allegedly "too high". -
how'd u do that? that pic was the exact one i wish to put up.
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ah well... here's one the british thought a likely candidate to replace their defenders.
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Looks very naked....no sense of security without the doors and roof portions....maybe its designed to be like our Flyer LSV...for easy entry and exit of vehicle...Originally posted by ferryman2393:ah well... here's one the british thought a likely candidate to replace their defenders. -
In both the pics, both weapons mounted is the .50 calibre , right ???
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That depends on which role of the LR Defender this is supposed to replace.Originally posted by ferryman2393:ah well... here's one the british thought a likely candidate to replace their defenders.
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Not around anymore.Originally posted by chino65:To be fair, we don't have to personally experience something for it to be true (or not). We decide for ourselves what to believe or not.
For example, my whole battalion rode in V200 without problem. But does it means its reputation for turning turtle is untrue? Dunno...
Another is that of chamber explosions in M16. I have never experienced one nor hear of one. But apparently they did happen which is why the SAR-21 has added protection.
Remember that these incidents with the Merc jeep occured early on. The drivers were probably converting from the old jeep to the Merc and were not used to the handling differences.
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SAF use LR mainly in a utility role or signal vehicle.
To be honest, as much as I like the LR, they are bloody cramped in the utility role as you can't put much inside or if you ride at the back the roof is too low for your head.
It is really most useful in the command / signals role where some big shot sit in front and there is a powerful radio and one signaler behind.
The only thing right about the Ford Everest is its format.
It is like a pickup truck. which make a heck of a lot more sense in terms of load / passenger carrying.
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Light Armoured Multi-Role Vehicle (LAM)
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=274
The Light Armoured Multi-role Vehicle (LAM) is a 4x4 wheeled light vehicle with a versatile design that suits a wide variety of tactical missions including armoured reconnaissance, peacekeeping, border patrol and paramilitary operations. Built on a modular concept, the LAM combines the benefits of commercially proven automotive components with high levels of ballistic protection for the crew.
I wonder if this local product is being assessed? We won't need the weapon station mounted on top for LR's replacement but the light armour will be a good advantage to have.
Further more,given its versatile modular design if battle conditions deteriorates, we can always have the option of having add-ons such as weapon stations.
LAM have the benefits of commercially proven automotive components which will cut costs. -
That looks like a built up Light Strike Vehicle.Originally posted by chino65:That depends on which role of the LR Defender this is supposed to replace.
This vehicle looks set up for fast attack or armed recce.
And we have vehicles like that already... the Recce Jeeps.
The LR is really not meant to be something you'd drive into the thick of a firefight with. Neither will the Ford SUVs in that.
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In both the pics, both weapons mounted is the .50 calibre , right ???
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Looks very naked....no sense of security without the doors and roof portions....maybe its designed to be like our Flyer LSV...for easy entry and exit of vehicle...
yes. it looked very naked. in fact i read somewhere that some MAF soldiers disliked the g wagon or defenders without doors. they were saying that in drastic actions with sharp turn of directions (evasive manouvres), they got thrown out of the vehicles. LOL.