Malaysian-born US soldier files lawsuit over Iraq deployment
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
OK. I have a WIN WIN solution.
"Every action of killing is so evil and wrong, I don't want to do any evil things and see any suffering happening right in front of my eyes," Lee said in the statement.
By November, Lee applied to a Malaysian temple to live as a monk after the end of his Army service, which was originally scheduled for September, the ACLU said.
FACT:
Calvin is a Buddhist, and he doesn't want to do "evil things".
SOLUTION:
- Send him to Cambodia - a Buddhist country near Malaysia...
- to clear landmines
He will still be doing what is legally a combat engineer's job. And not only will he not be doing any evil, he will actually be saving life and limb. -
Originally posted by chino65:OK. I have a WIN WIN solution.
FACT:
Calvin is a Buddhist, and he doesn't want to do "evil things".
SOLUTION:
- Send him to Cambodia - a Buddhist country near Malaysia...
- to clear landmines
He will still be doing what is legally a combat engineer's job. And not only will he not be doing any evil, he will actually be saving life and limb.
Good solution. Or why doesn't he just take up religious studies and be a Chaplain.
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Erm, because he's Buddhist? You can't expect him to give up his religion and pretend to convert to another religion, right?Originally posted by LazerLordz: Good solution. Or why doesn't he just take up religious studies and be a Chaplain.
He may be a coward, but he's no liar.
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i thought as an "combat" engineer the risk level is as high as the 1st wave in an assult such as blow up barrier or bridge connection under fire to allow heavy equipment to cross.Originally posted by chino65:Calvin the Malaysian Chinese enlisted in Combat Engineers probably thinking that at worst, he would be at the rear of the front line.
But in Iraq, there is no clear frontline or rear areas.
In fact, insurgents actually prefer to attack soft targets like Combat Engineers.
The famous Jessica Lynch was from a Maintenance Company and her convoy was ambushed and nearly wiped out with survivors being captured - Jessica among them.
So after incidents like this, Calvin must be shxtting his pants and start telling story about Buddha.
One thing is for sure: his buddies must be relieved he lost his balls stateside instead of waiting till in Iraq where he at best will lower morale, at worst endanger the lives of his buddles.
There are women over there toting weapons. And then we have Calvin. -
what i am surprise is that he actually joint an outfit that constantly see action around the world. Perception of one's imagination is now living his own reality. How much religion studies is that. Don't think he has enlighten yet. Screw up karma.Originally posted by LazerLordz: Good solution. Or why doesn't he just take up religious studies and be a Chaplain. -
Going to Iraq does not necessarily mean you have to kill someone.
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would it be fare to assume that if you are in hostile terroritory you r to do what it take to stay alive. That means to kill or be kill.Originally posted by MyParentsDunWanMe:Going to Iraq does not necessarily mean you have to kill someone. -
You deserve to be shot n kll in iraqOriginally posted by infantry:this kind of fellas deserve to be the targets for live range -
Than they kill you lorOriginally posted by MyParentsDunWanMe:Going to Iraq does not necessarily mean you have to kill someone. -
hes not the first case..dude. many National Guard filed these kind of case with various reason....and claimed theve been dupe by the recruitment officer. Most were just teenager who want to fund their college cost....others...well.
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If I had to do NS there's no way I would want to be deployed in a war zone because it conflicts with my beliefs.
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Well, looking at Singapore, you won't have to.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:If I had to do NS there's no way I would want to be deployed in a war zone because it conflicts with my beliefs.
Only volunteers are sent for peacekeeping operations. -
You have serious misconception of Combat Engineers. We always have artillery and amphibious assets around to secure the gap before any bridging begins.Originally posted by Arapahoe:i thought as an "combat" engineer the risk level is as high as the 1st wave in an assult such as blow up barrier or bridge connection under fire to allow heavy equipment to cross. -
He could probably get a desk job, or in worse case scenario, shoot to maim or disable?Originally posted by Arapahoe:would it be fare to assume that if you are in hostile terroritory you r to do what it take to stay alive. That means to kill or be kill. -
Good time to see if buddha will save you lor..or if your faith is worth dying for.Originally posted by yimkim:Than they kill you lor -
Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Yes, they do come under fire.
i thought as an "combat" engineer the risk level is as high as the 1st wave in an assult such as blow up barrier or bridge connection under fire to allow heavy equipment to cross.
Like during the Yom Kippur War the Egyptian Combat Engineers had to ferry troops across the canal, build pontoon bridges and use water canon to blast Israeli sand bank - all done under fire.
They still risk death. They draw combat pay like infantrymen but have a higher survival chance.
But some of the really risky " bridge blowing " task could be jobs for commandos and not engineers. -
The reason i said that is because I saw a news clip during the Iraq invasion where the Brit combat engineer storm the sand dune. Blow up the dune to allow the colunm of IFV thru. If they had encounter pocket of resistant i am sure it will be bloody.Originally posted by chino65:Yes, they do come under fire.
Like during the Yom Kippur War the Egyptian Combat Engineers had to ferry troops across the canal, build pontoon bridges and use water canon to blast Israeli sand bank - all done under fire.
They still risk death. They draw combat pay like infantrymen but have a higher survival chance.
But some of the really risky " bridge blowing " task could be jobs for commandos and not engineers. -
Link please.
I'm not surprised actually. But those guys are like the equivalent of our field pioneers. Maybe organic to their armored units. -
Would it make more sense to have the organic section within the engineer unit to be the assult force? i was thinking Since the sequence of troops movement would required engineer to move forward to clear barrier.Originally posted by Shotgun:Link please.
I'm not surprised actually. But those guys are like the equivalent of our field pioneers. Maybe organic to their armored units. -
I once bumped into a guy i knew before NS during a field excercise. I was in Brigade S2. He was a Hokkien peng in a pioneer platoon. I have never seen him that depressed and there was not one single smiling face in his whole platoon.Originally posted by Shotgun:Link please.
I'm not surprised actually. But those guys are like the equivalent of our field pioneers. Maybe organic to their armored units.
They all had a little " golf club " which I was told they use to probe for landmines while crawling on the ground. And it was a very hot day.
If you ask me, pioneer is the worst army job. -
That one not really used anymore lar. If we want to clear an area of mines, we'll use projected line charges. But still, they have to learn how to probe for mines lar, part of the training.
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a disgrace to chinese , he is juz being coward
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Its hard to say actually because religion is in the picture...but then again if one join the army volunteerly(unlike our NS system) he must be prepared to be sent to a war zone to serve...in short be prepared to kill someone...when they teach you to fire a rifle the main aim is not for you to be marksman with shooting target boards...Originally posted by givemeluck:a disgrace to chinese , he is juz being coward -
I just watched the Michael Moore 911 documentary again.
bin Laden actually did Bush a HUGE favour by giving him an excuse to start a war to divert attention away from his disastrous running of the country.
Moore also alleged Bush decided to attack Iraq to draw attention away from the real culprits - the Saudi bin Laden family, close friends and business associates of the Bush family (a fact).
(But thanks to the recent movie "Kingdom", though quite sub-standard story etc, Hollywood reminded us that Saudi is a very real source of terrorists.)
Furthermore, the 911 documentary's claim that the war was to get Iraq's oil also cannot be disputed.
In US, a president can get impeached for extra-marital sex where no one got killed. But a president that lies, protects the bin Laden family and sent thousands home from Iraq in body bags goes scot-free to live the rest of his life in money.
Forgive me for ranting, just very affected by watching the 911 documentary again. At the time of the documentary's release, the Iraq body count of US troops was only in the hundreds. Now it is in the thousands.
Of course, I am less concerned for the US troops than for the innocent Iraqi civilians terrorised and killed by both sides in the fighting. Nobody is counting their loss.
But back to Calvin Lee, if you read the last 2 lines of the report, he actually did have a very good reason for NOT wanting to go to Iraq:
"By November, Lee ..... the end of his Army service, which was originally scheduled for September, the ACLU said.
But in December, the Army informed Lee that his term of service was being extended and his unit would be deployed to Iraq, ..."
Basically, he was supposed to ORD. But suddenly that was not only revoked, he will be sent to Iraq.
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Haha, 911 was a big fiasco. Only the US government thinks that the whole world is comprised of ill informed idiots.
I remember that day like it was yesterday man.
Tower 1 and 2 were hit by airplanes and came down. Tower 7 came down despite not being hit by anything. And the 911 commission had the gall to claim that fire burnt a modern steel structure down.
I remember the explosions that went off ahead of the collapsing structure. I remember the UFO that flew past the towers and going WTF IS THAT?!
911 was a big farce. A farce that allowed the US Government to secure much needed funds to enter a war, to pay off the military, maintain global presence.