MAF - 61 air crashes in 47 years {since 1963}
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From what I hear about the A4SU upgrades, they developed some microscopic cracks after they re-engined it. Modern engine, but the airframe cannot take it.
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Could it be they closed one eye & let him in? Royalty you know. Wat are you gonna do? Send F-16s after the the prince?Originally posted by Atobe:Tell me you are only joking ?
Do you know how much jet fuel is burnt based on the high tempo of training flights conducted by the Singapore Air Force - which is reputed to have the highest flying hours clocked for training, compared to all the neighboring air force in this part of the world {not including China} ?
That is alot of tax payers money going up in smoke.
Still the Crown Prince of Johor was said to have sneaked into Singapore - at low levels - on his private helicopter and by-passed Singapore ATC, and landed at Singapore Polo Club; and the Air Force was still sitting on the tarmac.
Of course, this was before we had the 'eye in the sky' - and this event had probably pushed the necessity to get the AWACS.
When that wheel chair bound ang moh flew his jet into S'pore, A4s were scrambed immediately & he was forced to land at Seletar. I was there are that time. Big hoo ha. They even had V200s on standby. -
From their numbers of VIP transport, both fixed-wing and rotary, one has to conclude they have a lot of VIPs to fly, even considering Malaysia has 2 parts.
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The wheelchair bound ang mo incident happened quite recently as compared to the Malaysian royal (I don't think Malaysia have crown prince as they rotate the Sultans from the various states to be Agong or the Malaysian king). The Ang Mo case happened after the 9/11 attacks. So that explain the scrambling of Super Skyhawks and the V200.Originally posted by sgf:Could it be they closed one eye & let him in? Royalty you know. Wat are you gonna do? Send F-16s after the the prince?
When that wheel chair bound ang moh flew his jet into S'pore, A4s were scrambed immediately & he was forced to land at Seletar. I was there are that time. Big hoo ha. They even had V200s on standby.
As for the Malaysian royal, if i didn't remember wrongly i think he is from royal family of state of Johore. Since Singapore government have very close ties with the Johore Sultan(as seen by the visits to his palace very Hari Raya by Singapore government ministers), they may have decided to keep this intrusion low profile and not start a diplomatic row with the Malaysian government in KL. -
Respectfully, they are inaccurate. Check against the Appendix I mentioned next year. Cheers.Originally posted by specialOps:My numbers are right leh...hunters, strikemasters and UH...is like decades ago liao lar, i didn't mention at all....but the existing flying aircraft figures are right...
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Can't wait for your book! When is it being launched?Originally posted by ChineseJunk:Respectfully, they are inaccurate. Check against the Appendix I mentioned next year. Cheers.
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The matter could have been settled quite well had it not been for the petulant behaviour of the Johor Crown Prince - known to be as bad as the father {who is known to have murdered 2 Johoreans during his prime} - who resisted arrest, and had insisted that the Singapore Police Commissioner be the arresting officer.Originally posted by tankee1981:The wheelchair bound ang mo incident happened quite recently as compared to the Malaysian royal (I don't think Malaysia have crown prince as they rotate the Sultans from the various states to be Agong or the Malaysian king). The Ang Mo case happened after the 9/11 attacks. So that explain the scrambling of Super Skyhawks and the V200.
As for the Malaysian royal, if i didn't remember wrongly i think he is from royal family of state of Johore. Since Singapore government have very close ties with the Johore Sultan(as seen by the visits to his palace very Hari Raya by Singapore government ministers), they may have decided to keep this intrusion low profile and not start a diplomatic row with the Malaysian government in KL.
Singapore did send a protest note to KL, and it subsequently resulted in heavy official checks on all Singapore traffic into Malaysian territory - especially into the State of Johor.
Cars were checked thoroughly at the Johor ICQ, private yatchs were hauled to the nearest Malaysian Police Outpost for tresspassing without permit - when it was accepted practise for leisure crafts to report to the Police or Immigration Point at their intended destination points.
All these reprisal actions were conducted only in Johor towards Singaporeans enjoying a leisure time in the state - no prize for guessing who is behind.
The wheel chairbound 'mat salleh' did not file his flight plans in advance, and came in without warning.
After the Tamil Tiger incident of flying their secretly assembled light craft fitted out to bomb the Sri Lankan airbase at the Colombo International Airport, and especially after 9/11 - nearly everything is considered a threat. -
RSAF was not scrambled becos the Sultan of Johore (the father) routinely flies into Singapore in his blue colour French helicopter. So RSAF recognises it well.
My camp used to be his favourite helipad.
We would clear the parade square of all vehicles to reveal the "H" helicopter landing point.
An escort of Malaysian police will usually be on hand to escort him wearing their own uniform and driving Johore-plated limo and Johore Police car and motorcycle entourage. His limo is a Bentley had this number plate" HRHSJ" - His Royal Highness Sultan of Johore.
He would fly to SG just for shopping or visit to the dentist or maybe his mistress. Fcuking waste of taxpayers money.
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This is shocking! Is this still happening?
How can we allow a foreign Sultan to do as he please in our country? Even landing in an SAF camp with his Malaysian police escort o standby.This is outrageous! Unacceptable!
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If he wants to be a macho 60+ Sultan, we can help him along, as much as it helps to have a good neighbor helping us in return.Originally posted by tankee1981:This is shocking! Is this still happening?
How can we allow a foreign Sultan to do as he please in our country? Even landing in an SAF camp with his Malaysian police escort o standby.This is outrageous! Unacceptable!
I wonder where did we get a copy of the letter from the Johor State Secretary dated 1958 that state Johor do not own Preda Branca ? -
This was during my NSF in the 80's. Is it still happening I don't know.Originally posted by tankee1981:This is shocking! Is this still happening?
How can we allow a foreign Sultan to do as he please in our country? Even landing in an SAF camp with his Malaysian police escort o standby.This is outrageous! Unacceptable!
Letting them land in our camp and having their own armed escort is the price we pay for trying to be accommodating to these fools.
But this is nothing compared to the RMN base in Woodlands. I wonder if it is still there? They will soon be claiming both Pedra Blanca and Singapore as theirs cos their have maintained a naval base here. -
When their lease expired about 15 years ago {??}, they were given the option to move out or pay a higher lease rate based on the prevailing market price for such a big piece of real estate.Originally posted by chino65:This was during my NSF in the 80's. Is it still happening I don't know.
Letting them land in our camp and having their own armed escort is the price we pay for trying to be accommodating to these fools.
But this is nothing compared to the RMN base in Woodlands. I wonder if it is still there? They will soon be claiming both Pedra Blanca and Singapore as theirs cos their have maintained a naval base here.
PM Mahathir decided to keep his money, and moved the Naval Base {then know as K.D. Malaya} back to Malaysian soil, which took them about three to five years to completely vacate the place.
This was part of the contributing issues that roughed up the relationship between Mahathir and the Singapore Government - at a time when other issues were simmering in the pot. -
Johor Air force (this is no joke) were different from RMAF...it is the Sultan of johor private airforce (or limo..one can say)...he also have an army ..the Askar Timbalan Setia Negeri Johor or with its english acronym Johor Military Force (JMF) .... The sultan mantain a batalion of this men...most of them were trained in India. Again these forces have nothing to do with MAF....and only answer to the Sultan of Johor. It is funded by the State of johor and ofcourse the sultan.Originally posted by chino65:RSAF was not scrambled becos the Sultan of Johore (the father) routinely flies into Singapore in his blue colour French helicopter. So RSAF recognises it well.
My camp used to be his favourite helipad.
We would clear the parade square of all vehicles to reveal the "H" helicopter landing point.
An escort of Malaysian police will usually be on hand to escort him wearing their own uniform and driving Johore-plated limo and Johore Police car and motorcycle entourage. His limo is a Bentley had this number plate" HRHSJ" - His Royal Highness Sultan of Johore.
He would fly to SG just for shopping or visit to the dentist or maybe his mistress. Fcuking waste of taxpayers money.
If we didn't scramble it is becos we recognise his damn helicopter and know what a bunch of axxholes these inbreds like to be.
this is another weird info...The JMF job is to defend the state of johor and its conqured land against any external or internal threat. Guess where singapore stand here...it is said in the event of any nation attacking singapore..the JMF will lend hand in our defence..LOL NO JOKE! -
hmmmm....from air crashes to gossips about inbreds. LOL.....
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If you recall the incident in which the Johor Sultan slapped the Coach of the Johor State hockey team, and the Coach took out a futile law suit against the Johor Sultan - Dr M moved to lift the immunity enjoyed by the Malaysian Royalties from criminal law, a Bill was enacted by the Malaysian Federal Parliament to disband the Johor Military Force and merged its personnel into the MAF.Originally posted by tankfanatic:Johor Air force (this is no joke) were different from RMAF...it is the Sultan of johor private airforce (or limo..one can say)...he also have an army ..the Askar Timbalan Setia Negeri Johor or with its english acronym Johor Military Force (JMF) .... The sultan mantain a batalion of this men...most of them were trained in India. Again these forces have nothing to do with MAF....and only answer to the Sultan of Johor. It is funded by the State of johor and ofcourse the sultan.
this is another weird info...The JMF job is to defend the state of johor and its conqured land against any external or internal threat. Guess where singapore stand here...it is said in the event of any nation attacking singapore..the JMF will lend hand in our defence..LOL NO JOKE!
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Originally posted by Atobe:If you recall the incident in which the Johor Sultan slapped the Coach of the Johor State hockey team, and the Coach took out a futile law suit against the Johor Sultan - Dr M moved to lift the immunity enjoyed by the Malaysian Royalties from criminal law, a Bill was enacted by the Malaysian Federal Parliament to disband the Johor Military Force and merged its personnel into the MAF.
The very substantial private arsenal of the Johor Military Force was taken over by the MAF.An Act to provide for the disbandment of the Johore Military Forces and the repeal of the Johore Military Forces Enactment 1915 and to provide for matters relating to the commissioning and enlistment into the armed forces of Malaysia, and the retirement, of certain members of the Johore Military Forces as well as for other matters connected therewith.
well for your information it never happen....the JMF camp on top of the Timbalan Hill were moved to Gelang patah (i guess)...and the army and soldier still there...training ...even the camp were bigger than previous. -
Yeap jmf is still ard too..only now lower profile than before. apparently sultan of the johor is like the colonel in chief of GGK. so a lot of jmf personnel are ex GGK. Think hes commando crazy or something. Furthermore all camps or bases for the GGK are in mersing, johor, info can find from wiki. Furthermore side tracking a bit, the allowance that the johor royal family is getting from the federal govt in kl is peanuts compared to their own businesses etc. The caltex that we all usually fill up right before going back hm to singapore is owned by the johor crown prince, and thats not the only one he owns. They are like the royal family of britain, owning lots of land and businesses on top of their yearly allowance from the govt.
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That petrol station may soon have to give way to the new Malaysian ICQ, as it will have to incorporate the new Railway station, with more rail lines being added.Originally posted by Darkbaron:Yeap jmf is still ard too..only now lower profile than before. apparently sultan of the johor is like the colonel in chief of GGK. so a lot of jmf personnel are ex GGK. Think hes commando crazy or something. Furthermore all camps or bases for the GGK are in mersing, johor, info can find from wiki. Furthermore side tracking a bit, the allowance that the johor royal family is getting from the federal govt in kl is peanuts compared to their own businesses etc. The caltex that we all usually fill up right before going back hm to singapore is owned by the johor crown prince, and thats not the only one he owns. They are like the royal family of britain, owning lots of land and businesses on top of their yearly allowance from the govt.
It is not a surprise if the willful Johor Sultan continue to have his own military force even after the very public confrontation with Mahathir, especially now that a softer Badawi is in the PM seat, it is far easier for the JMF to continue to exist in a more discreet manner. -
With so many 'Nuri' helicopters falling from the sky over the last five years, the Malaysian Defense Ministry is now more firm to stop the continuing loss of lives by calling for bids for its replacement.
Surprisingly the retired MAF Chief prefer to continue flying the 'Nuri' - perhaps preferring to use the defense budget for the Army instead.
New Straits Times has reported some replacement possibilities.
The contenders for Nuri's replacement
By K.S. USHA DEVI and MAZLINDA MAHMOOD
28 November, 2007
With Malaysia now looking to replace the ageing fleet of Nuri helicopters, many manufacturers will be knocking at the doors of the Royal Malaysian Air Force. K.S. USHA DEVI and MAZLINDA MAHMOOD speak to a retired general and several defence experts to find out what their favourite would be. THE verdict is in. The Nuri is out.
And, although former army field commander Lt-Gen (R) Datuk Seri Mohd Zaini Mohd Said would like the Nuri to stay on, the government has decided otherwise.
Of the three other defence experts the New Sunday Times spoke to, two had the AgustaWestland EH-101 Merlin as their pick.
Defence and security analyst Dzirhan Mahadzir believes the Merlin should be chosen as it is versatile and has a good technical record.
Asian Defence Journal editor M. Ghazemy Mahmud says the Merlin would be ideal because of MalaysiaÂ’s need for multi-role helicopters.
Ghazemy, however, is torn between the Merlin and the NH Industries NH-90, which he says would also be ideal for the Royal Malaysian Air Force.
Terrorism expert Andrin Raj has the Russian-made Mi-17 as his favourite.
The Eurocopter and NH Industries models may not be suitable for Malaysian weather, Raj says, but the Mi-17 would be ideal as it has been tried and tested by the Fire and Rescue Department.
They all agreed on two things: Competition would be fierce for the contract to supply the RMAF with helicopters to replace the Nuri, and that the government should go for state-of-the-art aircraft.
“They (the RMAF and government) have their work cut out for them as there are many models in the market that could be good replacements for the Nuri,” says Ghazemy.
Among the helicopters he listed were the Eurocopter EC725 Cougar, Sikorsky S-92 Superhawk and UH60 Black Hawk, the Mi-17, and the Boeing CH-47 Chinook.
Zaini listed the Sea Hawk (naval version of the Black Hawk), the Mi-17, NH-90 and Merlin as possible replacements for the Nuri.
Dzirhan had, as his second choices, the NH-90, the Chinook and the Cougar.
Top picks:
AGUSTAWESTLAND EH-101 MERLIN (UK)
The EH-101 has all of the important features: A reasonably-sized cabin, a rear ramp, and can hoist a fair load from its cargo hook. The advantage of the EH-101 is its third engine – the ‘spare’ engine can be shut down for fuel economy or spooled up when extra power is needed.
Length (overall): 19.53m
Rotor diameters: 18.60m (main rotor), 4m (tail rotor)
Weights: max all-up (ext. load) 14,600kg, 4,535kg hoist
Performance: speed 309 kph, range 900km, ceiling 4,572m
Powerplant: 3 x 1275kW (1700shp) GE CT-7 turboshafts
NH INDUSTRIES NH-90 (EUROPE)
The NH-90 is an advanced medium utility helicopter, capable of undertaking a wide variety of roles. It was developed to meet a European requirement to replace a range of ageing helicopters. The NH-90 is a product of more than 10 years of development and testing to meet stringent capability and low maintenance requirements. The NH-90 can carry up to 12 fully equipped or 19 lightly equipped soldiers. It can also lift an Army Light Operational Vehicle.
Length (overall): 16.11m
Rotor diameters: 16.3m (main rotor)
Weights: max all-up (ext. load) 9,100kg
Performance: speed 300 kph, range 1,204km
Powerplant: Two RTM 322-01/3 turboshafts
KAZAN Mi-17 (RUSSIA)
The Mi-17 can carry a wide range of guns, guided and unguided missiles, and bombs up to 500kg. Machine guns are situated in flexible mounts in the co.ckpit and at the rear door. Cabin windows are equipped with eight gun-pilot units to enable troopers to fire during flight. Armour protection from small arms fire is provided for the co.ckpit, the pilots' seats, the gunners' floor, and the hydraulic unit.
Length (overall): 18.42m
Rotor diameters: 21.29m (main rotor)
Cabin/hold size: 5.34m L x 2.34m W x 1.8m H
Weights: max all-up (ext. load) 13,000kg
Performance: speed 250 kph, range 715km, ceiling 5,000m
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Other contenders:
SIKORSKY S-92 SUPERHAWK (US)
Touted as cost-effective to operate, the Superhawk can be used for a variety of missions, including troop transport, external lifting, combat search and rescue, casualty evacuation and head of state miss
It is designed for extreme mission endurance, and offers a series of extensive mission-specific options, from cabin configuration to military navigation and communication systems and aircrafts survival systems.
SIKORSKY BLACK HAWK/SEA HAWK (US)
Its principal mission include the transport of troops, artillery, ammunition, fuel, water, barrier materials, supplies and equipment on the battlefield. Other missions include medical evacuation, aircraft recovery, fire fighting, parachute drops, heavy construction, civil development, disaster relief, and search and rescue.
EUROCOPTER EC725 COUGAR (EUROPE)
The EC725 is a long-range helicopter, powered by two Turbomeca Makila 2A turboshaft engines. It can carry two crew members and 29 troops. It can also be configured to take 12 stretchers.
BOEING CH-47 CHINOOK (US)
The Boeing CH-47 Chinook is a versatile, twin-engine, tandem rotor heavy-lift helicopter. The contra-rotating rotors eliminate the need for an anti-torque vertical rotor, allowing all power to be used for lift and thrust. Its top speed of 170 knots (315 kph) is faster than the utility and attack helicopters of the 1960s and even many of today.
Its primary roles include troop movement, artillery replacement and battlefield resupply. There is a wide loading ramp at the rear of the fuselage and three external cargo hooks.
With the tight budget available, and a history of not shying from Russian hardware - chance of Malaysia flying a Russian replacement is very high - considering its price compared to western models, and Russia's willingness to accept payment by commodities.
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I'm quite confused by Malaysian short-listed candidates. All of them are classified as medium heavy lifters, but why did they short list the blackhawk helo? I mean I think it is quite limited in lifting power isnt it? I guess......
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The list above is by no means the official list, but speculations from military analyst.Originally posted by equlus84:I'm quite confused by Malaysian short-listed candidates. All of them are classified as medium heavy lifters, but why did they short list the blackhawk helo? I mean I think it is quite limited in lifting power isnt it? I guess......
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Besides having 'Nuris' falling from the sky, now we read of a Malaysian fisherman hauling in his net with a Malaysian 'plane' as his prize catch.
The Star, Wednesday, November 28, 2007
Fisherman shocked to find army plane in his nets
By FARIK ZOLKEPLI
KOTA TINGGI: A fisherman made a shocking discovery when he fished out a 2m-long plane off the waters of Pasor Logok, here, on Tuesday.
The aircraft, which he towed to shore, turned out to be an unmanned aircraft used for target practice by the army.
When contacted, Kota Tinggi OCPD Supt Osman Mohamed Sebot said the aircraft was reported lost in the area between Nov 17 and 23.
“It is a remote-controlled plane, not a spy plane. It belonged to the Kluang Army Camp,” he said, adding that the plane was in good condition.
Supt Osman said he was informed by the army that the plane was not shot down and it could have gone out of the remote controlÂ’s range and crashed.
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I'm guessing that they'll go for the Mi-17s.
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Cheap and most importantly less maintainence required...good news as sometimes contracts for equipment maintainence are forgotten.Originally posted by Shotgun:I'm guessing that they'll go for the Mi-17s.