Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, AGAIN
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Kitty Hawk being hacked Episode II
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
By MATTHEW HICKLEY -
Last updated at 00:13am on 10th November 2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
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Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.
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Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel
The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time. -
This is Epasode I:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=220255Tuesday, November 14, 2006
China sub stalked U.S. fleet
USS Kitty Hawk failed to detect that it was being shadowed by a Chinese Song-class diesel attack submarine until it surfaced within five miles of the aircraft carrier Oct. 26.
The aircraft carrier was within the firing range of the submarine's torpedoes and missiles before the submarine was spotted during a routine surveillance flight by one of it's planes.
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Sign...and on some US military forums, some of them still say this isn't a wartime excerise...and if it is really a war sistuation, the Song Boat will have zero chance of getting close.
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After all, their recent wars were against countries who did not have any submarine fleets...
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If memory serves, I think Singapore's sub pulled the same stunt on the US carrier too...
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like i said, lead paint, GHB pellets, cardboard and toxic chemicals are the new stealth material
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Originally posted by the Bear:like i said, lead paint, GHB pellets, cardboard and toxic chemicals are the new stealth material
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aircraft carrier RULES...
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ROFLOriginally posted by the Bear:like i said, lead paint, GHB pellets, cardboard and toxic chemicals are the new stealth material -
Owned...
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Well you all know ma , pple like to boast this and that like the titanic isn't it supposed to be unsinkable ? And didn't our LKY say our traffic system only need a max time of 20mins to go from point A to point B ? Hasn't our PAP promise us that they won't increase bus fares before the election took place ? So what do you think ? Talking is always free ok i also can say i ate dinner with george bush before in my kitchen . Pple have their own mouth to dsay whatever they like but we have our own brain to think ma . Whoever said that you must believe in whatever anybody said ? Use your brain lah ! Use your brain !
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people loves to vote for PAP, so whats the problem here?Originally posted by TWE:Well you all know ma , pple like to boast this and that like the titanic isn't it supposed to be unsinkable ? And didn't our LKY say our traffic system only need a max time of 20mins to go from point A to point B ? Hasn't our PAP promise us that they won't increase bus fares before the election took place ? So what do you think ? Talking is always free ok i also can say i ate dinner with george bush before in my kitchen . Pple have their own mouth to dsay whatever they like but we have our own brain to think ma . Whoever said that you must believe in whatever anybody said ? Use your brain lah ! Use your brain ! -
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In this day and age, there's 2 types of ships in the Navy: Submarines and Targets.
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off topic....Originally posted by FG42:people loves to vote for PAP, so whats the problem here?
but you did sound like zombie...
people loves to vote for PAP
people loves to vote for PAP
people loves to vote for PAP
people loves to vote for PAP
......walking mindlessly to the election booth...
joking only -
good GOD!!
wtf has this got to do with the MIW?
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Originally posted by coolant:
this article was a re run of the old incident.
Kitty Hawk being hacked Episode II
[b]The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
By MATTHEW HICKLEY -
Last updated at 00:13am on 10th November 2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
Scroll down for more ...
Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.
Scroll down for more ...
Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel
The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.
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Something interesting here with regards to ASW.
I was asking about this a year ago, but most of the people I spoked to were a lil tight lipped on this.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4893924-description.html
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I wonÂ’t jump the gun so fast, although this topic appeared on almost all major military forum worldwide, and many people expressed the same suspicion as yours, but none ever produced any hard proof to say it duplicates last yearÂ’s news. The wired thing is neither party involved in the report ever comes out and clarifies even a bit. Meanwhile, after so many days, a lot of other media just quote and report the same thing:Originally posted by Arapahoe:this article was a re run of the old incident.
http://www.afriquenligne.fr/news/daily-news/chinese-sub-embarrasses-u.s.-navy-2007111111176/
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/3540 -
What I have heard is that crews in Submarine use laser to do long range communication.Originally posted by Shotgun:Something interesting here with regards to ASW.
I was asking about this a year ago, but most of the people I spoked to were a lil tight lipped on this.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4893924-description.html
And I have to admit, I have no idea how this technology works.
But how effect? No idea. -
ha ha ha
china making a statement!
if they allow their submarine capabilities to be known, one can only guess what they've kept hidden...
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No idea. But I heard something about a satellite based system as well.Originally posted by coolant:What I have heard is that crews in Submarine use laser to do long range communication.
But how effect? No idea. -
Well according to this paper, laser for detection & laser for communication actually are in the same principle.
http://www.darpa.mil/sto/maritime/slc.htmlBlue Laser for Submarine Laser Communications (SLC) and Non-Acoustic Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW)
Program Manager: Dr. Larry Stotts
The goal of the DARPA Blue Laser for Submarine Laser Communications (SLC) and Non-Acoustic Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) program is to develop a high wall-plug efficient, Blue Light (455nm), Solid-state Laser.
Foreign submarines are quieter than ever before, and there is a pressing need for improved ASW capabilities, particularly in shallow water (above the thermocline) and littoral areas of operations. Coordination between multiple assets such as aircraft, surface ships, and submarines is critical to an effective ASW campaign. Integration of submarines into an overall ASW effort, arguably the most effective platform for wide area search and tracking, has traditionally been hampered by lack of or minimal communications to the submarine while deep.
The Navy is currently investing in new and previously demonstrated techniques for communicating with submarines at speed and depth for coordinated ASW operations. These techniques most commonly use either trailing wires or towed buoys for submarine communications, which impose limitations on the submarine's maneuverability and stealth, and therefore negatively impact the submarine's ability to fully conduct ASW operations. An airborne laser which could penetrate shallow water would permit submarine communications without the restrictions of floating wires or buoys.
This program is intended to develop the world's first wall-plug efficient laser that operates both at an optimum water transmission band of open ocean water and at the wavelength of a Cesium Atomic Line Filter. This laser has the potential to improve the detection depth of a NAASW lidar system by a significant factor for the same reasons it could improve submarine communications.