T-50 Golden Eagle for Greece, Singapore and UAE ?
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Mind telling us, Singaporeans how lousy Korean stuff are? I think its fair to hear more from you (such as providing some links etc), since you have made a valid point that whatever datafuser said could just be bragging as he is Korean himself.Originally posted by FG42:i see, then we can understand why we are getting these planes so cheap and we shouldnt be too happy or excited about it!
we all know how good korean stuffs are!
I think we have a legitimate cause for concern here as its highly likely(though not 100% confirmed) that parts of our F-15SG comes from KAI as claimed by datafuser. Singapore have spent quite a sum on the most advanced version of the F-15 to date so i think the rest of us taxpayers will like to hear more from you. Perhaps you have some insights which people like us have no excess to. -
Our version is very similar to theirs.Originally posted by FG42:dun bullshit. they are license produced for the korean air force, not for the entire americans or sgp's planes.
Since the S Koreans already built parts of the fuselage for THAT version, why is it so terrible that they build those parts for us? Our order is very small.
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There's even a possibility that we chose the partly Korean-built F-15 in part to move closer to S Korea in areas of defence and defence technology co-operation
Our own small defence industry can only benefit.
Well maybe you are comparing a Hyundai against a BMW?Originally posted by FG42:korean stuffs are over-rated and unreliable
Are the F15K falling apart? What Korean-made weapons are known for falling apart?Originally posted by FG42:to me, there is nothing special about korean stuffs. if our F-15SG's wing and fuselage are to be made by them, i think RSAF must make sure that they wouldnt fall off anytime...
I don't want to get involved but i have to get across the point that many of us don't share your low view of other Asian peoples.Originally posted by FG42:
i could sense you are korean from the way you wrote. its a very typical korean style.this is a forum and you are free to continue braging.[/quote]
It is you who have a behaviour problem and need to moderate your output.
S Korea is the most capable arms producer in Asia (after China). It's a fact, not a brag.
[quote]Originally posted by FG42:btw, r u a korean?
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March 22, 2007
S.Korean Air Force chief resigns for fighter jet crash
South Korean Air Force Chief of Staff Kim Sung-il has offered to resign to take responsibility for a fighter jet crash caused by poor maintenance, the South Korean Defense Ministry said.
"Air Force Chief of Staff Kim Sung-il delivered his intention to resign at a meeting with Defense Minister Kim Jang-soo on Sunday to take responsibility for a series of recent accidents including the crash of a KF-16 fighter jet," said a spokesman of the ministry.
On Feb. 13, a South Korean F-16 jet crashed off the country's west coast during a training flight. The pilot survived by ejecting. Investigation into the accident showed that the accident was attributable to poor maintenance.
Another F-15K fighter had been discovered to have had its wing damaged last month when its rear wheels fell into a manhole at an Air Force base in Daegu.
let the facts speak by itself. -
Originally posted by FG42:
may i know your anaylsis of the incidents? human error? technical prob?
March 22, 2007
[b]S.Korean Air Force chief resigns for fighter jet crash
South Korean Air Force Chief of Staff Kim Sung-il has offered to resign to take responsibility for a fighter jet crash caused by poor maintenance, the South Korean Defense Ministry said.
"Air Force Chief of Staff Kim Sung-il delivered his intention to resign at a meeting with Defense Minister Kim Jang-soo on Sunday to take responsibility for a series of recent accidents including the crash of a KF-16 fighter jet," said a spokesman of the ministry.
On Feb. 13, a South Korean F-16 jet crashed off the country's west coast during a training flight. The pilot survived by ejecting. Investigation into the accident showed that the accident was attributable to poor maintenance.
Another F-15K fighter had been discovered to have had its wing damaged last month when its rear wheels fell into a manhole at an Air Force base in Daegu.
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F-15K Crash Probe Yields Few Answers
JUNE 10, 2006 03:34
by Sang-Ho Yun ([email protected])
Controversy is heating up on what caused the F-15K fighter to crash during a night training mission off the shore of Pohang, Gyeongbuk Province. The debated three main causes are the pilot error caused by vertigo effect, technical defects in the aircraft or a blunder in maintenance.
Although two days have passed since the accident, the black box that contains on-flight records, which will provide key clues to the cause of the crash, has not been recovered, raising forecasts that the debate will only grow.
According to the Air Force, the late Lieutenant Colonel Kim Sung-dae, who was onboard the crashed F-15K, left a radio message in a calm voice right before the crash, “Knock it off.” It is reported that the fighter jet descended into the sea after radioing this message.
Pilots say that “Knock it off” is a term used by fighter pilots to tell fellow pilots and the ground control tower that the current mission is over and that the plane will pass on to the next mission, or something abnormal occurred to interrupt the training.
Considering that Lt. Col. Kim communicated in a calm voice, the Air Force is putting slim weight on the possibility that the fighter, under the vertigo effect, might crash into the sea in the process of circling to the next mission. Nevertheless, doubts are being raised because the chances of two veteran pilots being affected by the vertigo effect are very slim.
As for mechanical defects of the aircraft, there could be an engine malfunction or a pilot control system defect. In other words, the fighter fitted with General Electric engines, the first time for F-15 fighters, might have exploded in midair due to engine problems.
However, Air Force Public Information Chief Tak Hyo-soo ruled out that possibility, saying, “At the time there were other pilots flying around the fighter jet, and when looking at the flight record of the crashed jet, a midair explosion is clearly far from the truth.”
On the other hand, experts point out that if the aircraft turns too suddenly due to pilot system error, the massive acceleration of gravity can leave the pilot unconscious and the plane can crash with no one in control.
Some also point to the possibility of maintenance problems since there is not a translated version of the immense F-15K maintenance manual.
Whatever the cause of the accident, the Air Force is concerned about the repercussions.
If the cause points to internal defects, the Air Force will be reimbursed by the aircraftÂ’s manufacturer, but the F-X project seeking to import 36 F-15Ks until 2008, including 14 within this year, will receive a critical blow, and future plans to strengthen air power will inevitably be setback.
On the other hand, if pilotÂ’s vertigo effect is blamed as the cause without retrieving the critical black box, which holds possible answers to the accident, not only will the Air Force face opposition from the family members of the deceased pilots, but questions might be raised on the credibility of the investigation results.
Source: DongA.com
Link: http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=050000&biid=2006061020798 -
dun wanna waste my time arguing with you.Originally posted by chino65:I don't want to get involved but i have to get across the point that many of us don't share your low view of other Asian peoples.
i am just stating how i feel and how i look at, there is nothing right or wrong here. -
Originally posted by FG42:
NO, the facts DON'T speak for themselves.
March 22, 2007
[b]S.Korean Air Force chief resigns for fighter jet crash
South Korean Air Force Chief of Staff Kim Sung-il has offered to resign to take responsibility for a fighter jet crash caused by poor maintenance, the South Korean Defense Ministry said.
Another F-15K fighter had been discovered to have had its wing damaged last month when its rear wheels fell into a manhole at an Air Force base in Daegu.
let the facts speak by itself.[/b]
Maintenance problems, possibility of American-made engine exploding, damage due to wheels dropping into manhole...
None of these back up your serious accusations that Korean-built F15K fuselage will "fall apart".
These are the Korean Air Force's problems. Not a manufacture problem. -
yah yah yah, dont find excuses, pls.Originally posted by chino65:NO, the facts DON'T speak for themselves.
Maintenance problems, possibility of American-made engine exploding, damage due to wheels dropping into manhole...
None of these back up your serious accusations that Korean-built F15K fuselage will "fall apart".
These are the Korean Air Force's problems. Not a manufacture problem.
its not just the F-15K but also the KF-16 that are also having lots of maintenance problems.
if they can allow an expensive F-15K to drop into a manhole and by doing so DAMAGING its wing, what kind of things couldnt happen on the production line and quality control? we are not even talking about dog-fights subjecting its wings on high Gs or sustaining excessive fire from our adversaries!
you have to understand that buying a saloon car and cutting-edge planes that are gonna defend our homeland in the event of an attack where every second counts for our survivor are not the same. i do not wish to see we trade our national defence for questionable reliability and quality, be it F15, T-50 or anything else.
besides, will you buy a korean made car or a japanese car if the prices and specs (capacity and performance) are the same? no way! why is that so??? lets be honest and true to at least ourself, k? unless you are a mercedes E-200 (old model) or Jaguar owner-wannabe!
i just want to share my personal opinion. why not we listen to what others here have to say about it? if the rest are happy with korean made wings and fuselage, then I am fine with it. i see no meaning to argue between you and me. -
Maintanence problems derive from many sources.
It would not be prudent to label one without much documentation.
We have our fair share of mishaps and maint. problems as well. -
Originally posted by FG42:yah yah yah, dont find excuses, pls.
Well, it is quite clear we are dealing with blind prejudice here with a generous helping of thick headedness. A formidable combination.
You're ight, let's not waste any more time with you. -
just to share one more point with you, kid.Originally posted by chino65:
Well, it is quite clear we are dealing with blind prejudice here with a generous helping of thick headedness. A formidable combination.
You're ight, let's not waste any more time with you.
the moment you learn to accept listening to different voices and opinions in life, it'll be the time you are able to get out of your little well, hahaha! -
dude,
i don't know what is your problem with Made-in-Korea stuffs
but if i was a Korean, i'd be proud of the T-50/A-50/F/A-50 too
i've seen 'em up close, i've watched 'em fly, they rock!
i think KAI should market them to the Philippines and Indonesia -
they manage to sell KT-1 turboprop trainer to Indonesia n Turkey alsoOriginally posted by zagan:dude,
i don't know what is your problem with Made-in-Korea stuffs
but if i was a Korean, i'd be proud of the T-50/A-50/F/A-50 too
i've seen 'em up close, i've watched 'em fly, they rock!
i think KAI should market them to the Philippines and Indonesia -
Unwelcome posts in this thread are extremely distasteful.
Thread closed.
To: Chino65 and others, do not waste precious time talking to bigots.