Japan is considering buying Eurofighter Typhoons to replace part of its ageing air force fleet,Have they bought it? Last i`ve checked the South Koreans went the other way even though the Rafale won.
this is your opinion. AS of now it is the last operator fo the Mud Hen.....unless Super Hornet deal for RAAF when wrong , then deja vu, leased F-15E to replace their F-111 Aardvark.Originally posted by Arthas79:I suppose in your own world you decide who will be last buyer or operator. And you decide why many countries decide to buy second hand f16s rather than new ones.
check that linkOriginally posted by Arthas79:Have they bought it? Last i`ve checked the South Koreans went the other way even though the Rafale won.
So this is your fact? Again, you are speculating.
this is your opinion. AS of now it is the last operator fo the Mud Hen.....unless Super Hornet deal for RAAF when wrong , then deja vu, leased F-15E to replace their F-111 Aardvark.So, you were stating your opinions lah. Not facts. Basically speculating lah.
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/paris062007/index.php?startpage=36
There is a lot of talk about F-22 and F-35 but if Japan wants to maintain its timeline for the FX it will make a decision without those aircraft. The JSF will not be ready in time and it's our belief that, just like Australia, the F-22 will not be allowed for Japan. At some point maybe yes, but not now."
-Chris Chadwick, VP and General Manager Global Strike Systems, Boeing -- June 19th, 2007, Aviation Week Show News,
Boeing is also offering a mix of Super Hornets and Eagles to Japan. The Japan Air Self-Defense Force has a requirement to replace its upgraded F-4EJ Kai Phantoms, however Japan is pushing strongly to acquire the F-22 Raptor--an aircraft that is far from being a Phantom replacement. Apart from the extraordinary cost, the greatest obstacle to Japan's F-22 plans is a formal U.S. prohibition on exports.
"We just don't see the Congressional ban being lifted," Kronenbert told Show News.[/b] "A few months ago (U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense) Gordon England told Australia that the F-22 would not be released for international sale. Also the Defense Security Co-operation Agency has said that it would take $1 billion in non-recurring costs just to redesign the aircraft for a co-production release in Japan. That's really problematic and it would take three or four years just to figure out how to do that.
"An F-22 refusal has to be figured into their thinking, even thought it's not directed against Japan specifically. But the bar is not going be lifted and F-22 production comes to an end in 2009 or 2010 so that in itself was always going to be a problem for their program."
-Excerpt from "Boeing IDS Looks to Asia for Growth" by Robert Hewson, Aviation Week Show News, June 20th 2007,
so big guy....tell me who needs strategic strike capabilities in which coutry since you are smarter than me?Originally posted by Arthas79:So, you were stating your opinions lah. Not facts. Basically speculating lah.
And what`s this about Australia? Add that to the list of speculations.
I need to make some coffee before i write a couple of essays. So, you sort this one out yeah. be back later
so you can guess whose the next one then besides the countries that HAS BEEN/GOING TO operateOriginally posted by Arthas79:opps i forgot this one. you were saying that we will be the last operator of the F15s in a decisive and factual manner. So, i guess you changed your mind too. Oh well, sort it out yeah. cheerios
Boeing is also offering a mix of Super Hornets and Eagles to Japan.Ah good. See. A little arm twisting; particularly over missile defence. And it will be the F-15s all over again. But I need say that i am speculating here. I do not spout facts which has not happened.
still same operator not counted....i am saying NEW COUNTRY to join the MUD HEN CLUB & fyi Japan wants to involved in their Aeronautical industry by licensing to manufacture the planes which they did to theri F-4Ej and F-15j.Originally posted by Arthas79:Ah good. See. A little arm twisting; particularly over missile defence. And it will be the F-15s all over again. But I need say that i am speculating here. I do not spout facts which has not happened.
so you can guess whose the next one thenLol. Now you`re into speculating too I mentioned a couple of countries up there. Also, i did say it depends on the time-frame of usage. Some countries may decide to retire them earlier or later(especially if they opt to upgrade them). Cheers
still same operator not counted....i am saying NEW COUNTRY to join the MUD HEN CLUBPerhaps, I did not elaborate enough. Oh bother...
you dont analyze. you just literally take the news word by wordOriginally posted by Arthas79:Perhaps, I did not elaborate enough. Oh bother...
Listen dude. Scroll upwards a bit and you will discover that you rejected the possibility of the Japanese buying the F-15s. So, here is a report which says that they are being offered the F15s and Superbugs by thier benefactor; the US. So there you are. Another example of your speculations.
quote:Wha? Who? Australia? Yeah. They need that capability.
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Originally posted by Arthas79:
So, you were stating your opinions lah. Not facts. Basically speculating lah.
And what`s this about Australia? Add that to the list of speculations.
I need to make some coffee before i write a couple of essays. So, you sort this one out yeah. be back later
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so big guy....tell me who needs strategic strike capabilities in which coutry since you are smarter than me?
but then they CHOSE F/A-18F to LEASED replacement of F-111 before F-35 come for $6 BillionOriginally posted by Arthas79:Wha? Who? Australia? Yeah. They need that capability.
Originally posted by Arthas79:Lost for words are we? Ok. Lets take it step by step. You made a series of statements. You said they were facts. I said they were speculative. Afterall, they have not happened. Thereafter, you even proof that some of your points are more speculative by producing articles and links. So again. They are not facts as you insisted.
Perhaps, I did not elaborate enough. Oh bother...
Listen dude. Scroll upwards a bit and you will discover that you rejected the possibility of the Japanese buying the F-15s. So, here is a report which says that they are being offered the F15s and Superbugs by thier benefactor; the US. So there you are. Another example of your speculations.
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you dont analyze. you just literally take the news word by word
my 30cts
State your reasoning for them to get both. Politcally n EconomicallyOriginally posted by Arthas79:In this case, the US(thier big ally and someone who they are dependant upon for thier security) offers them F15s. Will they buy? Will the US twist Japan like it did Korea. Plausible.. but i am speculating here. Just like you were when you insisted that they will buy the typhoons. They might. I do not discount that fact. They might even buy both.
[quote]but then they CHOSE F/A-18F to LEASED replacement of F-111 before F-35 come for $6 BillionI know that. I thought you asked if they need a strategic strike capability. Yes. They do.
State your reasoning for them to get both. Politcally n EconomicallyLol. Why dont you think about it since you seem to think that you are the only one analyzing here.
F-18 were not cleared for export when we first sought to purchase the aircraft.. and we were only given the F-16/79.Originally posted by sgf:Is there a reason why we never got the F-18 initially instead of the F-16? Or why we didn't consider the latest F-18 to replace the A4?
The advantage of Hornet at that time is slightly more agile & higher AoA than F-16 alsoOriginally posted by Shotgun:Perhaps part of their considerations when evaluating the F-16 and the F/A-18s was the lack of BVRAAMs at that time.
Back then, we had access to Sidewinder P/L variants, which were essentially rear-aspect weapons. IIRC, Sparrow came later.
The close air combat capability of the F-16 was probably regarded as better than the Hornet's due to its high t/w ratio. Without BVRAAMs, the F-16 would be at and advantage against hornets without BVRAAMs.