RSAF search for new fighter to replace the F-5s
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Should beOriginally posted by Pitot:brand new
the design is in the 80s and the air frame is still on assembly line... -
well...ours is the last line if there is no more orders...be it us or other countries......Originally posted by justcooler:Should be
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actually the F-15SG although supposed to form the strike role to replace the A4SU, it is still a formidable aircraft as an air superiority fighter.
Think of it...the F-15SG has better radars and sensors than the F-16, even better than our "best" F-16D/52+. The F-15SG is quite a bargain for an excellent air-to-air with a heavy strike capability.
Dun think Singapore will get a pure fighter/air-superiority kinda aircraft, multirole seems to be what everyone is looking at, which was why JSF is considered.
Then again, except for supposed stealth, nobody really knows if JSF can match up to the F-15's excellent air-to-air record and its heavy strike payload.
Typhoon is great...but it has its software issues and unproven high tech systems....but the airframe is extremely agile, it also remains to be seen if it can fully utilise all the US weapons we have. -
JSFOriginally posted by specialOps:actually the F-15SG although supposed to form the strike role to replace the A4SU, it is still a formidable aircraft as an air superiority fighter.
Think of it...the F-15SG has better radars and sensors than the F-16, even better than our "best" F-16D/52+. The F-15SG is quite a bargain for an excellent air-to-air with a heavy strike capability.
Dun think Singapore will get a pure fighter/air-superiority kinda aircraft, multirole seems to be what everyone is looking at, which was why JSF is considered.
Then again, except for supposed stealth, nobody really knows if JSF can match up to the F-15's excellent air-to-air record and its heavy strike payload.
Typhoon is great...but it has its software issues and unproven high tech systems....but the airframe is extremely agile, it also remains to be seen if it can fully utilise all the US weapons we have.
Joint STRIKE Fighter : main purpose STRIKE role with air interception as secondary 
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Not forgetting that we get 12 planes with options for weapons.
Apart from the radar the weapons package are the more interesting part for the deal. It has greatly extend the strike range of all our present planes, while reducing the risk of running into enemy's sam batteries. -
Well...if you guys want to talk about strike range in terms of the weapons package, IMHO...Eagle would not be my choice. I would put money of Rafale or Typhoon.Because both are able to carry Storm Shadow Cruise Missiles. Thus...you have a longer range stand-off weapon for engagement.
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I prefer e french Apache, particularly e anti-runway version
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with regards to Gripen, SAAB is going to do an enlarged Gripen Demonstrator soon for the potential customers(Norway, Denmark)
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For all the Rafale fans out there.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/217536/dassault_rafale_demonstration/ -
Coverage of Hungary's taking Delivery of Gripens w/ Interview.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/258826/saab_jas_39_gripen/ -
as long as the fighter we are getting can beat the hell out of those russian fighter own by our neighbour
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actually the SUs are over-rated just because of their "cobra" manoevre.
I would be curious to see if the AMRAAM will really overshoot the SU because of that manoevre, or will the SU's cobra actually slow down the plane and make the AMRAAM shoot it right through....haha, i believe the latter will happen.
Its more like acrobatic plane that is not combat proven, with lousy missiles. -
Its something like a new block of the gripen scheduled for 2010.Originally posted by duotiga83:with regards to Gripen, SAAB is going to do an enlarged Gripen Demonstrator soon for the potential customers(Norway, Denmark) -
There is no way the AMRAAM will overshoot the Sukhoi doing a cobra. Neither would a decent combat pilot want to put an AMRAAM on the 6 'O' Clock position if he is not confident of out running it.Originally posted by specialOps:actually the SUs are over-rated just because of their "cobra" manoevre.
I would be curious to see if the AMRAAM will really overshoot the SU because of that manoevre, or will the SU's cobra actually slow down the plane and make the AMRAAM shoot it right through....haha, i believe the latter will happen.
Its more like acrobatic plane that is not combat proven, with lousy missiles.
When it comes to BVR, the Cobra is dubbed the "Sitting Duck" maneuver.
In close range ACM, the Sukhoi's ability to tahan high angle of attacks (Not just pertaining to the Cobra) grants better "initiative" to take high-aspect off boresight snapshots with weapons like the R-73 Archer.
On the defensive, high AoA manuevering generally bleeds energy and presents itself a larger target. Higher thrust from the engines or thrust vectoring are also preferred in order to recover the aircraft and regain energy. Hotter engines, juicier targets for heaters. Slower target, easier target. In other words, high AoA maneuvers better kill the enemy OR else... -
This actually looks like either a deep-strike version of the gripen with side by side cockpit configuration. Could either mean an EW platform, or deep strike actually.Originally posted by Pitot:Its something like a new block of the gripen scheduled for 2010. -
is tanderm configuration, not side by sde.....add in additional plug for more fuel, change the undercarriage, and added another pylons...Originally posted by Shotgun:This actually looks like either a deep-strike version of the gripen with side by side cockpit configuration. Could either mean an EW platform, or deep strike actually. -
Well..I suppose in a close-in dog-fight,the cobra maneuver would be useful as it will allow the chase aircraft to overshoot if he follows too closely. However, if I were the pilot in the chase aircraft, the moment he executes the maneuver, i would select guns and feed him a little lead as i overshoot. there's still a chance of a positive engagement...
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Negative. The entry criteria to a controlled cobra is pretty strict. It requires a moment of level flying. I don't recall level flying to be the best way to meet an opponent.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well..I suppose in a close-in dog-fight,the cobra maneuver would be useful as it will allow the chase aircraft to overshoot if he follows too closely. However, if I were the pilot in the chase aircraft, the moment he executes the maneuver, i would select guns and feed him a little lead as i overshoot. there's still a chance of a positive engagement...
High AOA yes, Cobra No. There are plenty of ways to slow an aircraft down quickly but so few ways of regaining the lost airspeed.
You wanna lose a determined bugger close on ur tail, while slowing down. There plenty of ways to do that while keeping high on energy. Go into a vertical immelman and roll out. From there, you get to choose to continue with the engagement or dive and roll away from ur opponent to try to disengage.
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Can always opt for a scissors if you have a wingman ready. Enter into a scissors flight against your wingman, and at a point of time, your wingman might actually get a shot of the bugger if he doesn't notice the trap.
Cobra at gun range? NUTS. Even if the bugger doesn't gun u down, he might just crash into you or shear your wings off. -
Gee, the cockpit does look wider than normal... hmm.Originally posted by duotiga83:is tanderm configuration, not side by sde.....add in additional plug for more fuel, change the undercarriage, and added another pylons... -
You're right. Exactly, but the russians and pro-SU people always think that the cobra is a move for the AMRAAM to overshoot..tats why its overrated.Originally posted by Shotgun:There is no way the AMRAAM will overshoot the Sukhoi doing a cobra. Neither would a decent combat pilot want to put an AMRAAM on the 6 'O' Clock position if he is not confident of out running it.
When it comes to BVR, the Cobra is dubbed the "Sitting Duck" maneuver.
In close range ACM, the Sukhoi's ability to tahan high angle of attacks (Not just pertaining to the Cobra) grants better "initiative" to take high-aspect off boresight snapshots with weapons like the R-73 Archer.
On the defensive, high AoA manuevering generally bleeds energy and presents itself a larger target. Higher thrust from the engines or thrust vectoring are also preferred in order to recover the aircraft and regain energy. Hotter engines, juicier targets for heaters. Slower target, easier target. In other words, high AoA maneuvers better kill the enemy OR else...
I don't think the SU is really that great, except for high AoA.
With most western airforces armed with high off-boresight and 2nd-hit opportunity missiles, I don't think the SU really has an advantage over the F-16. -
One possible way to get out of an AMRAAM or R-77's way is to suddenly get out of the shooting radar's scan area. Especially for mechanically scanned radars, this might be possible.
A sharp vertical descent (preferably without contact with the ground) could put u outside the radar's scan area if u are approximately 40miles out. PROVIDED he hasn't hard locked you. The missile realizing the mid course update has presented no target would go into a search mode and may not find a valid target at all. Or if u left some chaff along the way, it might find those.
Knowing the WEZ, Range, and Radar cone well is more important than being able to pull high AOA manuevers. -
F-15S/MTD
The McDonnell Douglas F-15S/MTD (Short Takeoff and Landing/Maneuver Technology Demonstrator) is a modified variant of the F-15 Eagle. Developed as a technology demonstrator, the F-15S/MTD carried out research for studying the effects of vectored thrust and enhanced maneuverability. The aircraft used for the project was pre-production TF-15A (F-15B) #1 (USAF S/N 71-0290), the first delivered F-15 airframe, which is on loan to NASA from the United States Air Force.
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This same aircraft would later be used in the F-15 ACTIVE (Advanced Control Technology for Integrated Vehicles) and F-15 IFCS (Intelligent Flight Control System) programs. The aircraft used in the F-15S/MTD program was used in the F-15 ACTIVE program from 1993-1999, and later in the F-15 IFCS program from 1999 on. With the help of thrust vectoring nozzles, this aircraft can perform the famous Pugachev's Cobra maneuver.
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