Do we need electronic-warfare plane like EA-18G Growler?
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from wikipidia:
Electronic warfare (EW) is the use of the electromagnetic spectrum to effectively deny the use of this medium by an adversary, while optimizing its use by friendly forces. Electronic warfare has three main components: electronic support, electronic attack, and electronic protection.
Electronic support (ES) is the passive use of the electromagnetic spectrum to gain intelligence about other parties on the battlefield in order to find, identify, locate and intercept potential threats or targets. This intelligence, known as ELINT, might be used directly by fire-control systems for artillery or air strike orders, for mobilization of friendly forces to a specific location or objective on the battlefield, or as the basis of electronic attack or electronic protection actions.
Because ES is conducted passively, it can be performed without the target observing any electronic activities. ES's strategic counterpart, SIGINT, is continuously performed by most of the world's countries in order to gain intelligence derived from other parties' electronic equipment and tactics.
An older term for ES is electronic support measures (ESM).
Electronic attack (EA) is the active or passive use of the electromagnetic spectrum to deny its use by an adversary.
Active EA includes such activities as jamming, deception, active cancellation, and EMP use.
Passive EA includes such activities as the use of chaff, towed decoys, balloons, radar reflectors, winged decoys, and stealth.
EA operations can be detected by an adversary due to their active transmissions. Many modern EA techniques are considered to be highly classified.
An older term for EA is electronic countermeasures (ECM).
Electronic protection (EP) includes all activities related to making enemy EA activities less successful by means of protecting friendly personnel, facilities, equipment or objectives. EP can also be implemented to prevent friendly forces from being affected by their own EA.
Active EP includes such activities as technical modifications to radio equipment (such as frequency-hopping spread spectrum).
Passive EP includes such activities as the education of operators (enforcing strict discipline) and modified battlefield tactics or operations.
Older terms for EP include electronic protective measures (EPM) and electronic counter countermeasures (ECCM).
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following the retirement of EF111 Raven, the USAF is using the EA-6B in joint operations with the Navy to close the suddenly-critical electronic warfare gap.
Other newer development is an electronic attack version of the F/A-18F, the EA-18G Growler which will in turn replace the Navy's EA-6B Prowler. An F/A-18F "F-1" was re-fitted with ALQ-99 electronic-warfare system...
SGP seems to have quite complete range of fighters but no EW planes. Is there a need for us to have such planes? -
MINDEF does not reveal the full range of our weaponary on the secrecy of national security. There may be a full squadron in our air fleet. -
There are many other alternative platforms to the EA-18G as an electronic warfare plane.
With the progress made in mini- and minature UAV technologies, which has led to UCAV platforms being developed, there is nothing stopping a concerted efforts to develop similar UAV platforms into a role for Advanced Electronic Attack.
The size of such a UAV unit can range from a simple mini-UAVs to the size of a Global Hawk.
The ownership of such a system will surely cost lower in capital outlay and also in the Owning and Operating Cost. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
thanks for the detailed information. however, if UAV is a feasible option, why are the americans risking their pilot's life by developing the newer EA-18G?
There are many other alternative platforms to the EA-18G as an electronic warfare plane.
With the progress made in [b]mini- and minature UAV technologies, which has led to UCAV platforms being developed, there is nothing stopping a concerted efforts to develop similar UAV platforms into a role for Advanced Electronic Attack.
The size of such a UAV unit can range from a simple mini-UAVs to the size of a Global Hawk.
The ownership of such a system will surely cost lower in capital outlay and also in the Owning and Operating Cost.
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Its for exclusive use by the USN. Therefore the F18 choice.
For sg, I think our block 52+ have some capability and also, with the new gulfstreams coming in, not all of them might be in a awac role. just guessing. 
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AESA radar n the new gulfstream AEW will do it.....
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F-18G growler is use by the USN - for navy
We do not need f-18 as we do not need to land on aircarft carrier !!
We follow USAF & isreal and others - use f-16s -
Our F-16D and F-16D/52+ are obviously fitted with some kinda EW.
It is known to everyone that they are indeed EW, except the exact nature of the type of EW is classified.
We do not need the Growler....and DSTA has other top-secret stuff, secret edge technology that can only be shown in real war.
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The Americans need mobile Electronic warfare aircraft due to their interests all over the world. Landing EW aircraft in a foreign but friendly country has its risk, and IMO, thats why they reserved EW aircraft for the Navy. The USAF no longer has a dedicated EF/ EA aircraft.Originally posted by FG42:thanks for the detailed information. however, if UAV is a feasible option, why are the americans risking their pilot's life by developing the newer EA-18G?
EA-18Gs are protected as High Value assets, so it really isn't much of a risk.
With UAVs coming in, its true that EW can be unmanned. I think the only thing limiting it is the power-source required for sustained jamming. -
There are always the questions of availability, cost, what doctrine requiring such a platform etc etc.
I never heard Yankees exported their best guarded airborne EW platforms like EP-3, EA-6, to any other countries. F-18G obviously carrying a lot of sensitive EW data may not be available for export.
Aussies purchased 24 F-18Fs for a hefty 6 billion( 5.2b USD) A$, the EW version of super bug will be only much more expensive. -
Originally posted by FG42:
According to Jane's Defense recent report, the USN is totally negative towards working with UAV as it is already bad enough attempting to pilot an aircraft onto the deck of an aircraft carrier.
thanks for the detailed information. however, if UAV is a feasible option, why are the americans risking their pilot's life by developing the newer EA-18G?
Attempting to land a UAV onto the deck of an aircraft carrier - even on auto-mode - will be even more tricky; and if landing has to be executed in the peak of an operation, it will be exposing the carrier, human and other assets to unnecessary risks and will require additional trained manpower and resource.
Unfortunately, in the present circumstance, there remains an intense inter-service rivalry to take control, manage and operate the UAV assets; with the USAF attempting to take overall command of all UAV assets from the Army, Navy and Marines.
This probably explain for the USN preferring to spend part of their budget on a purpose built EA18G. -
Originally posted by Bionic Animals:
or...because there were none?
[b] MINDEF does not reveal the full range of our weaponary on the secrecy of national security. There may be a full squadron in our air fleet. [/b] -
When was the last combined arms exercise in Singapore? Technically, the EW equipment should be present in such an exercise to test compartibility.
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did i forget that we have a Sigint a/c?
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yes, i am also skeptical if the EW suite we have on the F16s are adequate to perform the job well...Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:When was the last combined arms exercise in Singapore? Technically, the EW equipment should be present in such an exercise to test compartibility. -
If based off the old designs from the USAF F-16 A/B/C classes, just enough to wild weasel opposition SAM tracking.Originally posted by FG42:yes, i am also skeptical if the EW suite we have on the F16s are adequate to perform the job well... -
the EW we have on the Viper Blk52+ is enough to do the job in Asia, and perhaps more.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:If based off the old designs from the USAF F-16 A/B/C classes, just enough to wild weasel opposition SAM tracking. -
Exercise Forging Sabre in late 2005 was the last combined arms exercise I think. It was held in the Mojave desert in the US.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:When was the last combined arms exercise in Singapore? Technically, the EW equipment should be present in such an exercise to test compartibility.
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/xfs/index.html
Cheers,
Sunho -
The RSAF F-16D Block 52 Plus is essentially the same as the Israeli F-16I, complete with conformal fuel tanks and PAWS-2 infra-red missile warning system.Originally posted by LazerLordz:the EW we have on the Viper Blk52+ is enough to do the job in Asia, and perhaps more.
The F-16I also has a video datalink and satellite communications. Has any of you here compared the dorsal area of the F-16I with the RSAF F-16D Block 52 Plus?
Cheers,
Sunho -
Neg, boss, that wasn't a an Air Force, Army and Navy comb arms ex.Originally posted by datafuser:Exercise Forging Sabre in late 2005 was the last combined arms exercise I think. It was held in the Mojave desert in the US.
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/xfs/index.html
Cheers,
Sunho -
Yeah there was no RSN involvement in the Exercise Forging Sabre. But if you want to have all three services in a single exercise, you may have to stage a mock amphibious landing somewhere. Airlift SAF troops by RSAF helicopters from RSN LSTs perhaps?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Neg, boss, that wasn't a an Air Force, Army and Navy comb arms ex.
Cheers,
Sunho -
Just some support fire from any vessel would do.Originally posted by datafuser:Yeah there was no RSN involvement in the Exercise Forging Sabre. But if you want to have all three services in a single exercise, you may have to stage a mock amphibious landing somewhere. Airlift SAF troops by RSAF helicopters from RSN LSTs perhaps?
Cheers,
Sunho -
Dun forget our F-16DJ went 2 Israel for mod before they return 2 SG
