SG buy satellite guided Himars rockets
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thank you for agreeing that 'bad weather' does affects GPS.Originally posted by Shotgun:True enough, space weather affects GPS accuracy, but a GPS/INS munition isn't continuously receiving GPS updates. The GPS is used to align its INS.
Theoretically speaking. If you were to locate a particular point, mark its coordinate and manually align ur INS at that location, you'd have a pretty good alignment too. -
Actually the performance of GPS is the least of my concerns.
1. Solar Flare is predictable to within 24 hours.
2. EMP - well, you got bigger problems now.
I more interested in the effects of strong/turbulence on guided munitions. -
So we have EM weapons?Originally posted by touchstone_2000:Actually the performance of GPS is the least of my concerns.
1. Solar Flare is predictable to within 24 hours.
2. EMP - well, you got bigger problems now.
I more interested in the effects of strong/turbulence on guided munitions.
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Please dun wringle yourself out of own ignorance, everyone can see that your initial posting was abt earth bound bad weather, space weather is something you add in after that you realised your mistakes.
2ndly, I dun even want to prolong your stupid word game becos space weather occurance is so rare , and when it does happen , it is consider as a freak accident!!!
In fact, you might as well talk abt guided system malfunction within the rocket/missile itself , which has much higher possibility than solar flares affecting the GPS satellites!!!!
As for unguided rocket, regardless of earth bound bad weather or space weather, it is not expected to have any pin point accuracy, hitting right on top of a point target is almost consider as a freak accident!
And you know that very well, so admit it.
So in this debate abt unguided and GPS guided , of course GPS guided is better, it is totally uncomparable, you are just grabbing at straw, so who is the pathetic loser? -
Chances of INS getting misaligned is still higher. But it won't misalign too badly. Still more accurate than unguided rockets. =D
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gosh....my advice to u is not to prolong your embarassment. please, i beg u ...... somebody, please stop him. LOL ......
and what the heck does unguided rockets got to do with the whole jimbang? everybody 'knew' that it is not 'pinpoint' accurate. but wait.... why should we be surprised with this apparent attempt to save face by turning everybody's attention to something which was not the main point of contention, its so ..... you.
LOL. wanna have another go? -
We know what is going on. If you are not embarassed, your presence here is an ambarassment to the forum. so cut it out, go man your ferry.Originally posted by ferryman2393:gosh....my advice to u is not to prolong your embarassment. please, i beg u ...... somebody, please stop him. LOL ......
and what the heck does unguided rockets got to do with the whole jimbang? everybody 'knew' that it is not 'pinpoint' accurate. but wait.... why should we be surprised with this apparent attempt to save face by turning everybody's attention to something which was not the main point of contention, its so ..... you.
LOL. wanna have another go? -
the least u could do was not to recycle my choice of words. its so unoriginal. LOL.Originally posted by sgdiehard:We know what is going on. If you are not embarassed, your presence here is an ambarassment to the forum. so cut it out, go man your ferry.
i think i have enough fun playing with him already. u fellas can go about ur business as usual.
if u want me to join the party next time, u know how to summon me. adios..... -
How many flights of planes flights around the world, how many ships travelling on the sea, how many cars is using GPS on the road .... day and night - through out bad weather, rain, storm and snow ....!!! Did normal bad weather affect them ? NO!Originally posted by ferryman2393:BTW, have u considered that guided weapon systems are good as long as its guidence remain intact? a bad weather and all of a sudden ur GPS go bonkers. u may see ur rockets exploded in bintan instead of batam...
I am sure so far i have not heard of any airlines that want to fly to malaysia due to weather or Solar Flare affecting GPS - lost way and end up in Batam right ? They still land at malaysia airport pinpoint, non land on top of your home right !
If commerce grade GPS can handle all those so call bad weather ! rain, snow, storm and still get their position and course acurately ... then military grade will have no problem.
By the way, if there is really such strong nature forces at work over your country that GPS does now work, it will most proability a typhoon, hurricane of something .... of a very strong super natural disaster ! Question ? Why the hell do we still need to shot gps guide missiles there ? When the natural destruction power is so mich more powerful .... don't think there is much for us to shoot at if it is strong enough to affect gps !!! The whole place there is already flattened and flooded ..... no need to waste missile. -
weather affecting GPS is rare...unfortunately it is also unpredictable. But military GPS thingy usually shielded. But like i said there always this human factor...the transmission itself could be spooof...or the argorithm could be crack.
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obviously I think some fellas need to check the basic concept of CEP
CEP is 5 or 10 meters doesnÂ’t mean your projectile will hit the target within 5m or 10m radius 100% OK. -
Originally posted by ferryman2393:gosh....my advice to u is not to prolong your embarassment. please, i beg u ...... somebody, please stop him. LOL ......
and what the heck does unguided rockets got to do with the whole jimbang? everybody 'knew' that it is not 'pinpoint' accurate. but wait.... why should we be surprised with this apparent attempt to save face by turning everybody's attention to something which was not the main point of contention, its so ..... you.
LOL. wanna have another go?
Do I look at embarass when alot of ppl is supporting me.
You have not served and you know sh!t.
I have been trained on a quite a lot of weaponary and during livefiring there are always drill for "blind" for every piece of weaponary, a blind are ammo or explosive that fail to fire, denotate etc .
Why?
Becos such thing occur when dealing with live ammo or HE, in fact is not extremely rare when you talking abt a few hundreds rds fired during a live firing, there is why sometime accident happen during livefiring if they do not follow safety protocol.
Likewise for PGM including GPS guided munition, I remember that one USAF General only said 99% work perfectly, i.e. that always a possibility that go off course due to guidance system failure etc.
So to compare to freak accident called space weather, space weather is nothing when the possibility is so low as compare to other failure!!! -
Originally posted by ferryman2393:the least u could do was not to recycle my choice of words. its so unoriginal. LOL.
i think i have enough fun playing with him already. u fellas can go about ur business as usual.
if u want me to join the party next time, u know how to summon me. adios..... you think you are having fun but we really don't need you to come here and play with youself. -
the least u could do was not to recycle my choice of words. its so unoriginal. LOL.
And there you have it. The village idiot from Malaysia who frequently gets his fact wrong and then claims that it was all a joke. I take great pleasure in seeing him burst each time Singapore ups the ante on Malaysia. Not that we have always been leading anyway. More to come of course.
i think i have enough fun playing with him already. u fellas can go about ur business as usual.
if u want me to join the party next time, u know how to summon me. adios.....
Same sort of cowardly exit eh Ferryman like in the majority of your posts. Little knowledge but lots of poo. And almost always get whacked or ignored(lol) wherever you go saved the malaysian forums.
The people on here can say anything they want about your small and insignificant MAF. It`s thier own viewpoints. Like i really think your armored forces is really old with a few Adnans(which a recent utility parts issue). And your airforce kills more people than real battles. And really, most people around the world would agree about it anyway.
First thing to note. The clown has zero credibility. Secondly, if you get tired of laughing at him. Just boot him. -
Originally posted by coolant:
I still like the story of a SF in Afghanistan. He called for air support and send up the target coordinates. The computer hanged and he rebooted to retransmit. Whether he double check the coordinates after the reboot nobody knows. After all it was a danger close situation.
obviously I think some fellas need to check the basic concept of [b]CEP
CEP is 5 or 10 meters doesnÂ’t mean your projectile will hit the target within 5m or 10m radius 100% OK.
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What was transmitted was his own coordinates and a GPS bomb came down. 12 people died, Afghans and some of the team. IIRC, the soldier survived. -
If commerce grade GPS can handle all those so call bad weather ! rain, snow, storm and still get their position and course acurately ... then military grade will have no problem.
Simply put lah. GPS and INS would not be used if there is enough of a possibility for it to fail commercially and militarily. There are enough compensations to be made in the event of failure. Citing issues like space weather is the equivalent of grabing straws when you have nothing much to say as per the main issue at hand. You do not say a fighter jet will lose its way because of bad weather although there is a possibility; no matter how distinct.
The Malaysians basically bought a system at rock bottom prices from a company that nearly went under when there were obviously better systems out there in the open market. A system that they can hardly use on mainland Singapore and is about to become obsolete with the advent of precision guided GMLRS and long ranged GMLRS rockets and long ranged precision guided artillery. A system that puts them at greater risk because it permits the deployment of better systems in Singapore and perhaps regional countries. And counter systems which strengthens the overall strategic and tactical situation of Singapore and other countries.
Once again, brilliant thinking on the part of the malaysian planners but with clowns like Ferryman around, this is hardly surprising. One can almost imagine the look of befuddlement on the faces of vendors peddling gps guided systems and this clown spouts something about space weather. Of course, he only mentions it to find a convenient and face-saving exit here. Siimply put, it is a display of utter arrogance and sheer stupidity. -
Land Forces News
Army Fields HIMARS to Fourth Battalion
US Army | Nov 27, 2007
FORT LEWIS, Wash: The High Mobility Artillery Rocket System is now being fielded to the 5th Battalion, 3rd Field Artillery at Fort Lewis' Yakima Training Center -- the fourth unit Armywide to receive the rocket system mounted on a five-ton truck chasis.
The HIMARS can fire the same family of munitions as the Multiple Launch Rocket System, but HIMARS carries only one pod of six rockets instead of the MLRS' two pods or twelve rockets. The HIMARS wheeled vehicle is also lighter than the MLRS tracked vehicle.
The three battalions who already have the system are the 3rd Bn., 27th Infantry Regt., at Fort Bragg, N.C., which was the first to receive the HIMARS in 2005; the 1st Bn., 181st Field Artillery of the Tennessee National Guard and the 1st Bn., 158th Field Artillery of the Oklahoma National Guard. Both Guard units were fielded with HIMARS in 2006.
The new system can be moved by rail or air and was specifically built to be carried on the C-130 aircraft. In support of special operations, HIMARS can be rolled off an aircraft, fired and then be reloaded onto the aircraft in a matter of minutes, said Maj. Rich Amadon of the 3rd Field Artillery.
"This is a brand new weapons system for the battalion," said Lt. Col. Matt Hergenroeder, commander of the 5th Bn., 3rd FA.
The First Round Battalion fires the HIMARS, which mounts on the Army's five-ton truck chassis and carries a pod of six rockets instead of two pods like the Multiple Launch Rocket System.
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"The battalion has a long history, and the motto is 'the First Round Battalion,'" he said. The battalion fired the first round for the Union Army in the Civil War and the first round at the Battle of San Juan Hill. "This is going to be our first round here, so it's a historic moment for the battalion," he said about the unit's first live-fire of the HIMAR Oct. 30.
The battalion so far has received a partial fielding of the HIMAR and more of the systems are expected in upcoming months.
After four weeks of classroom and hands-on training on HIMARS, the battalion's three-day live fire at Yakima was the last piece of their certification. While many of the Soldiers had previously fired MLRS, some had never gone through a live-fire exercise. The battalion itself had not fired since 2004, according to Capt. Travis Immesoeste, a battery commander.
"We're getting back to re-readying ourselves and being artillerymen again," Lt. Col. Hergenroeder said. "It's a big motivational boost for these guys to be able to shoot."
"It's a good system," said Staff Sgt. Chris Starnes, the crew chief leading the first battery to fire the HIMARS. "It's awesome. It's a privilege we were afforded the opportunity to do this."
Before the live-fire, the three crews practiced loading and unloading the 5,000-pound rocket pod from each HIMARS. After working out a few bugs in the new system, the battery finished with a trio simultaneously firing a three-rocket volley.
The Army plans to field HIMARS to 13 more units in the future, according to an official at the U.S. Army Field Artillery Center and School, Fort Sill, Okla.
(Rachel Young serves with the Fort Lewis Public Affairs Office.)
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