SG buy satellite guided Himars rockets
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Ah thanks for the update. I always forget our arty has *slightly* longer range when it's ER/FBBB type of munition.
By the way, i read certain articles(the talk about accuracy of GLMRS) that Arty accuracy is about within 200m CEP for a 25Km range....is that true? -
Could you give a link or the title of the article?Originally posted by CM06:Ah thanks for the update. I always forget our arty has *slightly* longer range when it's ER/FBBB type of munition.
By the way, i read certain articles(the talk about accuracy of GLMRS) that Arty accuracy is about within 200m CEP for a 25Km range....is that true?
200m CEP for a 25Km range is abt 0.8% CEP of range.
GPS guided system has a CEP of 5~10m regardless of range, there is why they are called guided. -
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htart/articles/20070201.aspx
It's from strategy page (i know it sounds biased) talks about their M777 like our pegasus using the excalibur versus normal shells.
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Within 200m at range of 25km is pretty accurate gun for standard rds.
4PE =200m, so 1 PE is 200/4=50m, so the CEP is 50/25000=0.2%.
But the latter part, you have misunderstood the writer.
For example , let say the M777A1 battery of 6 need to destroy a SAM site at 25km away.
All 6 of them fire a burst rate of 3 standard rds at the target i.e. 18 rds, becos it will falls within 200m of target, it may or may not destroy the target, and probability get worst if the range is higher.
But with a GPS guided Excalibur rds, 2~3 rds should be sufficient to destroy the target with almost 100% certainty becos it will fall within 5~10m of the target, as long it is within max range.
So in reality, with Exclibur, it does not need as many ammo as in standard unguided rds in the above senario.
That's is also why traditionally, arty usually operate in battery of 6 or more, it is an area target weapon and the need to have many guns and rds to be effective but with GPS guided rds, it turn it into point target weapon. -
Okay that means if the laser beam riding arty shell from our neighbour is in 100% successful, that's going to really hurt.
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actually they no need to succeed... afterall.. they are just gonna copy the damn thing.... from another country.Originally posted by CM06:Okay that means if the laser beam riding arty shell from our neighbour is in 100% successful, that's going to really hurt.
chances of failing to copy a system when given assistance from the original creator is hard to understand.
anyway.... the russian system has a 70% success rate.
and its actually possible to see the laser ... and given modern laser detectors and countermeasures... its shouldnt be hard pinpointing the enemy FO and fry the fella...
with the proper countermeasure... we can help them to miss 100%.
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The devil in the details is QC. The Indians have tried to copy the shell with varying degrees of success. In the end, they had to take in a stock of Russian shells.Originally posted by tripwire:actually they no need to succeed... afterall.. they are just gonna copy the damn thing.... from another country.
chances of failing to copy a system when given assistance from the original creator is hard to understand.
anyway.... the russian system has a 70% success rate.
and its actually possible to see the laser ... and given modern laser detectors and countermeasures... its shouldnt be hard pinpointing the enemy FO and fry the fella...
with the proper countermeasure... we can help them to miss 100%. -
it takes courage to be a MAF soldier... you may never know... the shell might end up programmed to hit the laser designator instead of the designated target.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:The devil in the details is QC. The Indians have tried to copy the shell with varying degrees of success. In the end, they had to take in a stock of Russian shells.
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It's not that. The shell itself failed to follow the laser.Originally posted by tripwire:it takes courage to be a MAF soldier... you may never know... the shell might end up programmed to hit the laser designator instead of the designated target. -
I don't think we need to worry about that. Going by the US experience with the Copperhead warhead.Originally posted by CM06:Okay that means if the laser beam riding arty shell from our neighbour is in 100% successful, that's going to really hurt. -
The US has had some success with guided shells in the recent Iraqi war.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:I don't think we need to worry about that. Going by the US experience with the Copperhead warhead. -
Was it Discovery Channel or Nat Geo that featured a documentary on the Excalibur GPS guided artillery shell as recently as about two weeks ago ?
The artillery piece was purposefully aimed at an opposite direction from the target, and the shell actually changed course mid-flight to hit the target dead center.
The GPS device was a small piece of human ingenuity to be able to withstand the muzzle pressure and velocity, and still functioning as intended.
The best part is that it is not laser dependent, no need for any asset to loiter at the target area to provide laser guidance. -
Talking about heli-portable 155 guns, i think e M777 has 1 problem, dun know if it possible, after firing how e gun escape
by heli-lift then e enemy return arty has a likely chance of destroying not only e arty but also e heli, is tat why our pegasus is SP so tat e gun can move out of e area before e heli comes in 
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great..ew toys??wheres our enemies??dont we have abit much toys to show them off to investors??according to some rumors from somewhere,we are among the top 5 targets for islamist terrorists cuz we are too arrogant as we show off our toys too much...way to go our beloved govt..way to go..
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?????Originally posted by domonkassyu:great..ew toys??wheres our enemies??dont we have abit much toys to show them off to investors??according to some rumors from somewhere,we are among the top 5 targets for islamist terrorists cuz we are too arrogant as we show off our toys too much...way to go our beloved govt..way to go.. -
????? exactly.
You create a new account just to post this? Credibility points has hit rock bottom.
We do -not- show off our toys. Neither are we "arrogant" . Pls show evidence statement where TCH said : "Lolz we will PWN all our neighbours cause we have big gunz and |337 w3@pnZ !!!111!!!1 (And Gundamz and Mechwarriors) -
Most probably a pretender, as always we wanted to keep mum abt all our arms purchases, problem is, western weapons sales are publicly announced by them as according to their rules and regulations.
For example, Mindef has yet to announce the purchase of HIMARS , it was announced by US DoD so to report to their Congress.
I could understand the frustration by our northern neighbour, as their armed forces' asset have alway been more or less way behind us in term of qty as well quality.
For example since 1969, when we got the AMX-13, whereas they have no tank to speak of for more than 10 years.
In the mid 80s, they got some 90mm Sibmas that at least could counter our LT but the qty is still way too small.
Recently, they bought in a lots of quality equipment, they thought perhaps this time they could catch up with us, but for example , 211 Adnan but we manufactured almost 500 BXI/II, another is the 48 PT-91M , but we buying more than double of Leo 2, 2 Scorpion SSKs but we are getting 2 AIP SSKs, 18 SU-30MKM and we are getting abt the same number of F-15SG(there is option for another 8 more ) and now their so called "strategic" weapon Astros II is going to be outclassed by our HIMARS too.
Afterall their budget is less than half of our,plus their infamous cronies, the staus quo will remain as long as they are unable to get their acts together.
Which I believe it will not change in the forseeable future, as long as Umnoputra is in charge!!! -
www.zaobao.com--printed version.19.09.2007
US DoD request US Congress's approval to sell the followings to Spore:
2 launchers for each truck.Good.\
----18 units M142 launchers,each with 6 rockets tube,
----9 Himars 5 tons trucks
----32 XM31 GMLRS-U
----Comm sys
http://www.globalsecurity.org/
more info. -
Nice nick. Describes you very well. Ass yu indeed.Originally posted by domonkassyu:great..ew toys??wheres our enemies??dont we have abit much toys to show them off to investors??according to some rumors from somewhere,we are among the top 5 targets for islamist terrorists cuz we are too arrogant as we show off our toys too much...way to go our beloved govt..way to go..
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Its fight terrorism or fight invading counties
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Pretty cool video tour of the HIMARS system, notice the shutters that shield the crew in the vehicle from the blast and the debris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I50gBUqScpY&mode=related&search=
Some more firing of HIMARS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Tje2Hwu-g&mode=related&search= -
It is official news:
WASHINGTON, September 12, 2007 - The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Singapore of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems as well as associated equipment and services.2 pg PDF.The Government of Singapore has requested a possible
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/
sale of Major Defense Equipment (MDE)
18 M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
.... Launchers
32 XM31 Unitary High Explosive GMLRS Pods
30 M28A1 Multiple Launcher Rocket Systems (MLRS)
......Practice Rocket Pods
35 VRC-92E Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radios
... Systems (SINCGARS)
45 VRC-90E SINCGARS
35 VRC-990 Vehicular Radio Communications Sets
45 VRC-950 Vehicular Radio Communications Sets
9 M1084A1 Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles
.... (FMTV) 5-Ton Trucks
1 M1089A1 Wrecker
Also included are support equipment, communications equipment, spare and repair parts, test sets, batteries, laptop computers, publications and technical data, personnel training and equipment, systems integration support, support services of a Quality Assurance Team and a Technical Assistance Fielding Team, United States (U.S.) Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services, and other related elements of logistics support.
The estimated cost is $330 million. This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that has been, and continues to be, an important force for economic progress in Southeast Asia.
The HIMARS will enhance SingaporeÂ’s military capability by providing a highly effective indirect area fire artillery system that is critical to successful deterrence and national defense. HIMARS supplements traditional cannon artillery by delivering high volume firepower in a short time against time-sensitive targets.
At shorter ranges, HIMARS complements tube artillery with heavy barrages against assaulting forces, counter-fire and defense suppression. Singapore will have no difficulty absorbing and integrating this system into its armed forces. The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
The principal contractors will be: Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control at Dallas, Texas and Stewart & Stevenson at Sealy, Texas. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.
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I could understand the frustration by our southern neighbour, as their armed forces' asset need alway been more or less way above us in term of qty as well quality.
For example since 1969, when they got the AMX-13, whereas they have no significant potential enemy tank to shoot at for more than 10 years.
In the mid 80s, we got some 90mm Sibmas that they thought could counter their LT but the bulk of these were not even based in the peninsular.
Recently, they bought in a lots of quality equipment, as they THOUGHT perhaps this time we could catch up with them, but for example , 211 Adnan but they manufactured almost 500 BXI/II, another is the 48 PT-91M , but they buying more than double of second hand Leo 2, 2 Scorpion SSKs but they are getting 2 (second hand) AIP SSKs, 18 SU-30MKM and we are getting abt the same number of F-15SG (there is a slight possiblility that these will also be second hands) and now our so called "strategic" weapon Astros II is going to be outclassed by their HIMARS too. hmmmm... and i wonder whose knee reaction is a little overdone here.
Afterall their budget is more than half of our, plus their infamous timid populace, the status quo will remain as long as they are unable to get their acts together. heck... they kept up the defence budget even during the infamous financial crisis. on second heck...its their money, they can always give it to charity for all i care.
Which I believe it will not change in the forseeable future, as long as the siege mentality is in charge!!!
LOL .... a great way to start the morning with. loads of poo.... -
Hmm.........this guy sounds quite similar to the guy who occasionally post in Militarynuts.com. Whenever he post in there, his target is the SG gov and SAF. Would'nt be surprised if he is the same person. hmmm......Originally posted by domonkassyu:great..ew toys??wheres our enemies??dont we have abit much toys to show them off to investors??according to some rumors from somewhere,we are among the top 5 targets for islamist terrorists cuz we are too arrogant as we show off our toys too much...way to go our beloved govt..way to go.. -
hohohoho!!..........I see someone saying them grapes are pretty sour cos they can't have em......hahahahh!!!Originally posted by ferryman2393:I could understand the frustration by our southern neighbour, as their armed forces' asset need alway been more or less way above us in term of qty as well quality.
For example since 1969, when they got the AMX-13, whereas they have no significant potential enemy tank to shoot at for more than 10 years.
In the mid 80s, we got some 90mm Sibmas that they thought could counter their LT but the bulk of these were not even based in the peninsular.
Recently, they bought in a lots of quality equipment, as they THOUGHT perhaps this time we could catch up with them, but for example , 211 Adnan but they manufactured almost 500 BXI/II, another is the 48 PT-91M , but they buying more than double of second hand Leo 2, 2 Scorpion SSKs but they are getting 2 (second hand) AIP SSKs, 18 SU-30MKM and we are getting abt the same number of F-15SG (there is a slight possiblility that these will also be second hands) and now our so called "strategic" weapon Astros II is going to be outclassed by their HIMARS too. hmmmm... and i wonder whose knee reaction is a little overdone here.
Afterall their budget is more than half of our, plus their infamous timid populace, the status quo will remain as long as they are unable to get their acts together. heck... they kept up the defence budget even during the infamous financial crisis. on second heck...its their money, they can always give it to charity for all i care.
Which I believe it will not change in the forseeable future, as long as the siege mentality is in charge!!!
LOL .... a great way to start the morning with. loads of poo....
Yeah.........rite.....SG stuff sure is 2nd hand......BUT.....they sure will kick butt when the need arises!!!
I read in a book somewhere that says about weapons platforms......."it all depends on the pilot, right pilot in an F5E could take out the wrong pilot in a Raptor". So, it does'nt mean new stuff can be a winner. New stuff with crap operator.........equals crap new stuff.. Old stuff with good and dedicated operator...equals blow your brains out winner!! Yup how true!!!