After a war..
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After 72 hours after Singapore successfully invaded the johor state of malaysia, a cease fire is sought by the UN Security Council. The border will be sealed up to prevent any in or out flow of civilians. What is Singapore going to do with the new found hinter-land? A new found hinterland would pose new problems to the SAF. Will that area be transferred to the administration of the Singapore Government? What is SIngapore going to do to cope with the new social, economic problems if it acquired johor?
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Build another casino.
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build the largest red light district in the world, making amsterdam seem holy.
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ehh..dun lame leh..most of the topics available online doesn't deal with the consequences after Singapore acquired johor..will it be under the administration of the army or the Singapore government? Or will UN security council will force Singapore to return the territory back to Malaysia?
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Most probably if the war is still on, we'll use Johor as a FOB and slowly move further up? I think i play too much C&C 3 already.
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Its very unlikely that Singapore will get to keep Johore assuming such a scenario really did happen. I am also assuming that the Malaysians attacked us first and that we invaded Johore out of self-defence by counter attacking.Originally posted by y33bas:After 72 hours after Singapore successfully invaded the johor state of malaysia, a cease fire is sought by the UN Security Council. The border will be sealed up to prevent any in or out flow of civilians. What is Singapore going to do with the new found hinter-land? A new found hinterland would pose new problems to the SAF. Will that area be transferred to the administration of the Singapore Government? What is SIngapore going to do to cope with the new social, economic problems if it acquired johor?
Firstly, our SAF is made up of mainly NSF and NSmen, to sucessfully assimilate Johore into our Singapore territory will take many years of occupation much like what is happening in Afganistan and Iraq. With these non regular soldiers stationed long term in Johore who will work and support Singapore's economy? These men made up a very significant part of Singapore's workforce.
Secondly, occupation after the main hostilities end is lots of work, in fact much more troublesome than the actual invasion itself. Again as shown in Iraq and Afganistan. Lots of manpower and money have to be spent. This is on top of a heavily damged economy due to lack of the peace-time workforce, foreign investments pulling out and much reduced maritime and overland trade.
Thirdly, as Malaysia is a member of the UN and that their capital and government is still intact. They will definitely go to the UN for help to reclaim back their lost lands. The rest of the muslim nations will definitely support them and threaten us with jihad should we not comply.
So it is very unlikely we get to keep Johore but with the help of our international allies such as USA, we will get somthing in return. For example we will eventually return Johore back to Malaysian government administration but they will have to ensure a demilitarised zone in the state of Johore where no military or paramilitary forces are to be stationed there. This will include army camps, air and naval bases. This is with the exception of the Malaysian police which is to maintain peace and order.
Our RSAF will have official and undeniable authority to over-fly Malaysian airspace to enter the South China Sea training area. Our RSAF is to conduct joint patrols with the RMAF over Johore. Our RSN will also be able to sail into Malaysian territorial waters to conduct joint patrols in Johore waters with their police coast guards.
Malaysia is to give up the claim over Pedra Branca and recognise Singapore's sovereignty over the current disputed island. The issue of water supply to Singapore should comply strictly to the earlier signed agreements and that there should not be any doubts to be expressed by the Malaysian politicians in the future especially during elections time. The Singapore government will gain control over the Malaysian railway(KTM) lands in Singapore as compensation for their aggression. The KTM can still run the railway but the land which their Tanjong Pagar railways station and tracks sit on now belongs to the Singapre government.
They may also need to pay a fixed sum of war reparations by instalments either in money or in natural resources which Malaysia have plenty due to the fact that they are the aggressors who fired the first shot.
At the same time the Singapoe government will keep the Johore Sultan in place and give him due respect as before such as visiting him during Hari Raya, this move is to demonstrate our good will and our peaceful intentions. And also because the Malaysian Royalty still wield great influence and power in the Malaysian government. Johore is one of the biggest states in Peninsular Malaysia.
Singaporeans in Johore may have certain concessions such as our business and property owners in Johore will have fair and equal chances and opportunities to contracts, rights and services respectively as compared to the Bumiputras. Singaporeans in Johore are not to be subjected the paying corrupt officials such as policemen and custom officiers which is currently the norm.
I believe a fair and reasonable solution is the key to securing future peace in our region.
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If we can convince the christians to back us up(The Pope already warned about Islam),together with our military technologies im confident we can gain the upper hand.Originally posted by tankee1981:Thirdly, as Malaysia is a member of the UN and that their capital and government is still intact. They will definitely go to the UN for help to reclaim back their lost lands. The rest of the muslim nations will definitely support them and threaten us with jihad should we not comply. -
i have HUGE BIG HUMONGUS doubt that the malaysia will let singapore sit in johor so that we can use it for bargaining chip. Given their expertise in insurgency and counter insurgency they will wage guerilla warfare so hard it makes vietnam like childs play.... the occupation of johor will become so expensive for us...it can even drained the funding of whoever support us...
what happen after will be nightmare for us than them....
and please dont give me the jungle penetrating radar bull to detect infantry movement..... after the Nuri incident i have realised that nothing can peneterate the jungle canopy..
the only way to root out guerila warfare is to play it by their rule..which im sorry to say our 3g army still shy off. -
If we can convince the christians to back us up(The Pope already warned about Islam),together with the gas chamber concept we may have the upper hand against them.
please tell me this is a joke...there are muslims in singapore too ..you retard
Ever wondered how effective the gas chamber concept is?Seen the death toll of Hitler's Jews? -
Then again, Israel didn't have an impossible amount of trouble holding on to the West Bank and Gaza Strip.Originally posted by tankfanatic:i have HUGE BIG HUMONGUS doubt that the malaysia will let singapore sit in johor so that we can use it for bargaining chip. Given their expertise in insurgency and counter insurgency they will wage guerilla warfare so hard it makes vietnam like childs play.... the occupation of johor will become so expensive for us...it can even drained the funding of whoever support us...
what happen after will be nightmare for us than them....
and please dont give me the jungle penetrating radar bull to detect infantry movement..... after the Nuri incident i have realised that nothing can peneterate the jungle canopy..
the only way to root out guerila warfare is to play it by their rule..which im sorry to say our 3g army still shy off. -
i know,thats why im not taking a stance regarded gas.Just stating a war fact.Originally posted by tankfanatic:please tell me this is a joke...there are muslims in singapore too ..you retard -
Increase GST to 20%, Income tax to 35% for the development of Johore.Originally posted by y33bas:After 72 hours after Singapore successfully invaded the johor state of malaysia, a cease fire is sought by the UN Security Council. The border will be sealed up to prevent any in or out flow of civilians. What is Singapore going to do with the new found hinter-land? A new found hinterland would pose new problems to the SAF. Will that area be transferred to the administration of the Singapore Government? What is SIngapore going to do to cope with the new social, economic problems if it acquired johor?
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If Johor belongs to Sg, Malaysia will die le. They depend solely on Johor for tourist attraction from Singapore.
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yeah..i believe that is the most appropriate thing that the Singapore government will do after acquiring Malaysia as replied by tankee1981. Without taking care of the administration of johor but yet taking the upper hand of overlooking the country of Malaysia. It is much more easier to settle for a one time solution rather than taking it into their own hands of running part of johor themselves. HOWEVER, do you remember that Singapore actually was part of Malaysia before? Would some politician suddenly think that keeping Malaysia is actually better in the long run since it will benefit Singapore in the long run because the availability to resources like food and water? Even if we were to return johor Malaysia, i think the government will actually be very scared that another scenario will happen again.
Then..what would happen if Singapore conducted a poll by the residents of johor to decide to stay with Singapore or Malaysia? Like a repeat of the 1965 formation of Malaysia through referendum? Would UN council recognize such a vote by the residents of Malaysia if most voted to stay with Singapore? -
What makes you think SAF can hold any territory "after a war"?Originally posted by y33bas:After 72 hours after Singapore successfully invaded the johor state of malaysia, a cease fire is sought by the UN Security Council. The border will be sealed up to prevent any in or out flow of civilians. What is Singapore going to do with the new found hinter-land? A new found hinterland would pose new problems to the SAF. Will that area be transferred to the administration of the Singapore Government? What is SIngapore going to do to cope with the new social, economic problems if it acquired johor?
We are all NS reservist and after the war we quickly demob and go home. Otherwise economy suffer. -
Erm.... going to war for starters will gut our economy... which foreigner will linger around when the bombs start to fly? Moreover, holding Johore is expensive. Why would the local populace greet us with open arms? The malays in particular will chaff at loosing their first class status.
Let's be frank, taking Johore is easy. Holding it is another affair altogether. Might as well just raid it and then tell the Malaysians that we can operate with impunity and they might back down or something. -
Those of you who are privy to these scenarios would already know. So, this is my personal opinion yeah
Just to set the record straight..
Even if Singapore does not fully mobilize her 320,000 conscript reservists, she has 75, 300 active troops currently. That is more than anything the Malaysians can marshall in such a short time. The Malaysians do expect us to come in and lose territory. There is no way they can keep the equivalent of a defensive line to prevent Singapore from entering Johor. They do want to keep a buffer of sorts as fighting headlong in Johor would mean the end of the MAF as we know it. Thier`s will be a war of attrition and will. Incidentally, our`s will be the same too once we have Johor. But they understand that thier economy will completely be in pieces once we come in and gain control of the air.
That said, this would most likely end in a cease-fire. However, the SAF is prepared to occupy Johor for as long as it takes. Troop rotation is the key. Similar to the Israeli occupation to the West bank, Golan and Gaza. There will be casualties but if that is the lesser of two evils, then it has to be done. And honestly, Mindef has thier homework. Our key industries will not be emptied of a workforce. One key thing to note is that the proportion of our reservist forces have not risen in spite of the rise of population; at about 300,000. That is not an incident. It is intentional.
War is one thing and occupation is another thing. You do not need as many troops for `occupation.' And Malaysia is not Vietnam or Iraq. In fact, you will find the population quite docile.
Add that to the simmering race problems inherent in the country and you will certainly get certain segments of the population who would rather join us.
The muslim world is weak and divided. They work only for thier own interests. Look at the Middle East. And Indonesia is not exactly good buddies with Malaysia; especially if Malaysia starts the conflicts with an eye to take Singapore.
Lastly, the world will not sit idly. 80%-90% of East Asia`s oil flows through Singapore. And Im not even talking about trade; especially to the US`s western sea-board. The majority of these nations are Singapore`s allies and strong friends.
The end of the conflict would see Singapore`s strategic hold becoming stronger with the expected series of concessions made; some of which have already been related by Tankee.
The Malaysians know that there is little they can do to coerce Singapore to do anything. Hence, they are reduced to making loud farts from across the causeway which incidentally do more harm to themselves than anything. Look at the tin-pot monkey, Mat-hatter. At the very end, the world sees him as an senile and totally without leverage.
However, the biggest drawback in my opinion ( and a relatively new phenomenom) to a Singaporean invasion is the advent of muslim fundementalists who will make this thier war as well. We will have to watch our `sixth' more than ever before. -
That said, this would most likely end in a cease-fire. However, the SAF is prepared to occupy Johor for as long as it takes.
if..big oneTroop rotation is the key. Similar to the Israeli occupation to the West bank, Golan and Gaza. There will be casualties but if that is the lesser of two evils, then it has to be done.
u actually compare the rag head the israeli faced with the well trained MAF regular army?And honestly, Mindef has thier homework. Our key industries will not be emptied of a workforce. One key thing to note is that the proportion of our reservist forces have not risen in spite of the rise of population; at about 300,000. That is not an incident. It is intentional.
this assuming that the land invasion turn out with low casualties... but after learned the way the malay defend their own land and king in ww2 (in singapore even).. i have big doubt the casualties will be low.War is one thing and occupation is another thing. You do not need as many troops for `occupation.' And Malaysia is not Vietnam or Iraq.
oww reallllly......In fact, you will find the population quite docile. Add that to the simmering race problems inherent in the country and you will certainly get certain segments of the population who would rather join us.
probably the chinese population.... but definately not the malay.... and those bugis and java ...were one of the big hatters of us... -
Yup. As usual. Tankfanatic has no idea what he is talking about. Not to mention a closet Malaysian who jumps each time he sees something he finds hard swallowing.
u actually compare the rag head the israeli faced with the well trained MAF regular army?
I was talking about insurgents who materialize after we take Jonor. And in some ways, the `rag-head' you mentioned are more seasoned than either the SAF and MAF in these types of asymmetrical warfare. Derfinitely, not the Malaysian public. Give and take 4 decades of occupation and it could be the case... -
Yup. As usual. Tankfanatic has no idea what he is talking about. Not to mention a closet Malaysian who jumps each time he sees something he finds hard swallowing.
again with this malaysian thing...lolquote:
its quite simple why...the palestinian didnt have any army (trained army) but the malaysian have and untill the SAF completely destroyed it to the last man..the so called 'insurgents who materialize after we take Jonor' will be definately comprising these guys.
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u actually compare the rag head the israeli faced with the well trained MAF regular army?
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I was talking about insurgents who materialize after we take Jonor. And in some ways, the `rag-head' you mentioned are more seasoned than either the SAF and MAF in these types of asymmetrical warfare. Derfinitely, not the Malaysian public. Give and take 4 decades of occupation and it could be the case... -
Has it occurred to you that this could easily turn into a war with a religious aspect? First we are dealing with a population that is quite simply quite nationalistic, and another they have no interest in being a treated the same way the local Muslim population are. Next you are going to have Mullahs and what not calling Jihad against us and we are dealing with a bloody rebellion and the Malaysian Army will jump into the fun.Originally posted by Arthas79:Yup. As usual. Tankfanatic has no idea what he is talking about. Not to mention a closet Malaysian who jumps each time he sees something he finds hard swallowing.
I was talking about insurgents who materialize after we take Jonor. And in some ways, the `rag-head' you mentioned are more seasoned than either the SAF and MAF in these types of asymmetrical warfare. Derfinitely, not the Malaysian public. Give and take 4 decades of occupation and it could be the case...
Stuff overoptimistic ideas aside and 4 decades of occupation is not only extremely taxing on our own economy, but also extremely certain to atagonise a generation of Malaysians. -
again with this malaysian thing...lol
Wow. One of the few logical things you have said. It is staring at your face. Right on. Lol !!
Hmm..what is the defination of `insurgent'? They are normal people. As normal people who have yet to be exposed to the rigors of a military occupation for an extended period of time, it will be easier definitely.
its quite simple why...the palestinian didnt have any army (trained army) but the malaysian have and untill the SAF completely destroyed it to the last man..the so called 'insurgents who materialize after we take Jonor' will be definately comprising these guys.
Well, obviously, we will have to anticipate MAF regulars mingling with them and coordinating some form of resistance. But that is only to be expected. Especially, if we have no choice. Meanwhile, RSAF jets are turning back the clock counters with respect to Malaysia`s economy and production. It will be short time to a cease-fire realistically. Both sides would want it by then. -
Has it occurred to you that this could easily turn into a war with a religious aspect? First we are dealing with a population that is quite simply quite nationalistic, and another they have no interest in being a treated the same way the local Muslim population are. Next you are going to have Mullahs and what not calling Jihad against us and we are dealing with a bloody rebellion and the Malaysian Army will jump into the fun.
There are no mullahs in SEA. Only wannabe terrorists. But control has been quite effective though there has been lapses in Indonesia.
Stuff overoptimistic ideas aside and 4 decades of occupation is not only extremely taxing on our own economy, but also extremely certain to atagonise a generation of Malaysians.
At any rate, Singapore will only go to war if war is forced upon us. That means we have little choice. These ancillary issues(if they turn out to be the case. SEA`s nationalism is stronger than simple extremist dogma which affects the middle east.)would have to dealt later. When threatened with our very survival, there is little we can do to avoid it.
You might be tempted to say, Singapore`s strategy means that we would shoot first. But the truth is that you cannot hide a war in this age. Especially, in our case.
If a neighbouring country is about to wage war with a country and armed forces the size we have, they would have to pull all thier military resources. The world would know of it. And we would know about it. And we will shoot first before they are ready. -
WE SHALL KILL THEM ALL! GIVE THEM NOTHING BUT TAKE EVERYTHING FROM THEM!
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im really at lost on the meaning that..sigh
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again with this malaysian thing...lol
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Wow. One of the few logical things you have said. It is staring at your face. Right on. Lol !!Hmm..what is the defination of `insurgent'? They are normal people. As normal people who have yet to be exposed to the rigors of a military occupation for an extended period of time, it will be easier definitely.
i knew the meaning...all im saying is there is no way other than extensive long term land campaign to reduce the number of MAF regular forces..which what SAF cant afford...hence the guerilla that the SAF face in johor will be definately MAF regulars.Well, obviously, we will have to anticipate MAF regulars mingling with them and coordinating some form of resistance. But that is only to be expected. Especially, if we have no choice. Meanwhile, RSAF jets are turning back the clock counters with respect to Malaysia`s economy and production. It will be short time to a cease-fire realistically. Both sides would want it by then.
you are to optimistic....
any way my point is... not to wage war at all.. thats about it..war not good