Will any of our SAF Officers do this for the men?
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a good leader were not necessarily liked by its people.
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You talking about the Lees ??
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hey i like him! but not his dad...i think banning chewing gum is too much
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Originally posted by tankfanatic:hey i like him! but not his dad...i think banning chewing gum is too much
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Once at Live Grenade throwing (when I was in the army) Someone dropped the grenade on the parapet and it rolled to just in front of the wall. The officer actually pushed the Nut down and covered him with his own body. I think its something they've been trained to do. Quite a number of officers (even though the asses they are) I believe would put duty above self and protect their men. That is, if they are at the warfront.
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you really have to let go of everything (ur family, loved ones, friends) if you decide to take tt jump on e grenade.
i cant do it.
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Dun think so bah... more likely a natural instinct...Originally posted by maven2:trained to do -
no time to think at that momentOriginally posted by wonderamazement:Dun think so bah... more likely a natural instinct... -
To add on..the Japs freaked out and went to Alexandra Hospital (then a British Military Hospital) and massacred about 200 (patients,medical staff) people. It was because of the stubborn defence put up by Lt Adnan and his Royal Malay Regiment soldiers. The Jap casualties were heavy during that battle.Originally posted by Short Ninja:the japanese were so tulan that that they hanged him on a tree and bayonetted him over and over again after he had died.
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Yes. We should never forget.Originally posted by CPL:To add on..the Japs freaked out and went to Alexandra Hospital (then a British Military Hospital) and massacred about 200 (patients,medical staff) people. It was because of the stubborn defence put up by Lt Adnan and his Royal Malay Regiment soldiers. The Jap casualties were heavy during that battle.
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Well, the alternative is unthinkable: the recruit using his body to shield the officer.Originally posted by maven2:Once at Live Grenade throwing (when I was in the army) Someone dropped the grenade on the parapet and it rolled to just in front of the wall. The officer actually pushed the Nut down and covered him with his own body. I think its something they've been trained to do. Quite a number of officers (even though the asses they are) I believe would put duty above self and protect their men. That is, if they are at the warfront.
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Wah, when Sect. Comdr. was CPL...that must be very long ago.Originally posted by chino65:Once at night range I asked the platoon to fall in for a head count.
I was only attached to that infantry unit for one ICT so we didn't know each other well.
One Hokkien Peng remained squatting down and when I (Cpl) asked him to stand up he told me to KNN and said he had a headache.
More or less the whole platoon heard him using bad language on me - a Sect Cmdr.
I was mad but let him be at that time.
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Afterwards when everyone disperse I went up and jabbed him (not too hard) in the chest with my rifle butt and told him not to refer to parents when speaking. He was furious and surprised but did nothing.
He and a couple of his tattooed buddies look at me not shiok for the next few days afterwards but also did nothing.
I got on very well with the rest of the people especially the section under me and if this guy from another section doesn't like me, too bad.
I admit it was a bad move leadership-wise but I was furious at that time also. And to have done nothing would probably be even worse.
What would you have done?
If it happens today...I think most of us 3SG will recommend him for charge for insubordination liao...throw him to DB a few days... -
to add more...after the japanese won they went to kajang Selangor looking for his wife and kids to kill them but fortunately his father hides them.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yes. We should never forget. -
To add on still tulan till this day as Japan barely beat SIngapore 2-1 at Jalan Besar a few years ago.....Originally posted by tankfanatic:to add more...after the japanese won they went to kajang Selangor looking for his wife and kids to kill them but fortunately his father hides them.
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Good call. I've seen similar things happen before, and because the SC took it too personally, the whole platoon had a front-row seat to a shoving match between a commander and his subordinate. Takes a real man to swallow his ego first and settle things man-to-man.Originally posted by chino65:Once at night range I asked the platoon to fall in for a head count.
I was only attached to that infantry unit for one ICT so we didn't know each other well.
One Hokkien Peng remained squatting down and when I (Cpl) asked him to stand up he told me to KNN and said he had a headache.
More or less the whole platoon heard him using bad language on me - a Sect Cmdr.
I was mad but let him be at that time.
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Afterwards when everyone disperse I went up and jabbed him (not too hard) in the chest with my rifle butt and told him not to refer to parents when speaking. He was furious and surprised but did nothing.
He and a couple of his tattooed buddies look at me not shiok for the next few days afterwards but also did nothing.
I got on very well with the rest of the people especially the section under me and if this guy from another section doesn't like me, too bad.
I admit it was a bad move leadership-wise but I was furious at that time also. And to have done nothing would probably be even worse.
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And we went to Saitama in the middle of winter and we held them to 0-1.Originally posted by Short Ninja:To add on still tulan till this day as Japan barely beat SIngapore 2-1 at Jalan Besar a few years ago.....
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It was in the 90's. By then all the Sect Cmdr were Sgts. But I had the odd rank of being a Cpl and they were short of Sgts.Originally posted by specialOps:Wah, when Sect. Comdr. was CPL...that must be very long ago.
If it happens today...I think most of us 3SG will recommend him for charge for insubordination liao...throw him to DB a few days... -
Well saidOriginally posted by LazerLordz:And we went to Saitama in the middle of winter and we held them to 0-1.
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You're right, it would've been a huge disaster to confront him head on there and then.Originally posted by Hellraiza:Good call. I've seen similar things happen before, and because the SC took it too personally, the whole platoon had a front-row seat to a shoving match between a commander and his subordinate. Takes a real man to swallow his ego first and settle things man-to-man.
But maybe here's what I REALLY should have done:
Instead of ordering him ot fall in - however friendly tone of voice - I should've showed concern and asked him what was wrong and why he cannot fall in.
Or, even after he has said "KNN I have a headache" to me, I should've just let the thing slide and afterwards asked him if he needs the medic.
And then the next day when everyone's cooled down, warn him not to do it again.
But I was a young hothead back then... Only know how to be destructive and not constructive.
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I did something similar. Use another method - no one ever dare to do that againOriginally posted by Hellraiza:Good call. I've seen similar things happen before, and because the SC took it too personally, the whole platoon had a front-row seat to a shoving match between a commander and his subordinate. Takes a real man to swallow his ego first and settle things man-to-man.
Night range ? because of headache then KNN right ?
Sometime this type of words does get fly out .... not that they really mean it. Just learn to let it go... just tell him in front of the everyone, if he have headache or problem - need help come to you, KNN is not going to cure the headache or problem . If he still think it does, then you give him your blessing and let him shout KNN 50 times infront of everyone !!! Problem resolve.
If he want to see MO ok, good after the night range all go back camp - all ready to sleep. I make sure the poor guy get all the medical attention he need at the medical center - haha ... While other sleep, he is sitting there KNN himself for saying KNN and for having so good and caring commanders - all the way waiting to see MO. For the next few days .. he not much strength to KNN !!! -
Its not about rank but respect and esprit de coup.In the 80s and early 90s you could see weird appointments.Lance corporal as SC,Corporal as Platoon sgt Sgt as CSM while the SSGs as platoon sgts,SSG as PC ,LT as OC while Cpts as PCs.Temporary appointment while waiting for the right promotion.Originally posted by chino65:It was in the 90's. By then all the Sect Cmdr were Sgts. But I had the odd rank of being a Cpl and they were short of Sgts.