Will any of our SAF Officers do this for the men?
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I Salute him for dying to protect his own men.
As for whether SAF officers will risk their lives for their soldiers.
If you ask anybody this stupid question,
They will be like saying," Do You think I will be stupid?"
The army rule is that officers must protect recruit's lives with their own lives.
However, the reality is far from the truth.
I mean come on, Singaporean society is one man for himself.
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From what I heard, he was pretty seriously injured and had to spend some time in hospital, but he recovered.Originally posted by stellazio:did he die?
I don't really know the details.... I just remembered that my Encik told this story to us a few years ago. -
Whoa... Power! Salute ah!Originally posted by fudgester:From what I heard, he was pretty seriously injured and had to spend some time in hospital, but he recovered.
I don't really know the details.... I just remembered that my Encik told this story to us a few years ago. -
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there is this Raymond Rodney Russell Koh Y. K., 3 SIR
i have no idea who he is and what he do..but its seems that hes kinda a hero. -
Lim Bo Seng
a Force 136 comando...cought by the Japanese army and tortured to death.
his famous words areDon't grieve for me, but take pride in my sacrifice. Devote yourself to the bringing up of the children.
in a final letter to his wife.
even have memorial in singapore
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Tan Chong Tee
took part in Operation Gustavus to resist the Japanese occupation. However, he was later captured in 1944 and spent the next 18 months in jail under the torture of the Japanese troops. When Tan was finally released from jail, he found out that his older brother Tan Chong Mao was executed by the Japanese and his mother was beaten to death by the Japanese.
He wrote an autobiography to tell the heroic stories of Force 136.
hes the one who wrote about mr Lim above -
Not exactly the same story but a PC apparently got struck by lightning 'cos he went back to check on his troops who were still on a hill. Was mentioned by a 3SG during the recent 30min documentary on NS a few weeks back.
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Hmm... think the closest thing I heard is that an officer put the guy away during the generade throw...
Another one is that my friend kena pulled down by his officer during his throw as he was standing there waiting to see the generade explode...
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This will always depend on the type of officer you had
For junior officer(PC and OC)
In time of firefight, buddy_ship outstrip ranks. You will have to rely on your men to look out and protect you, while you have to give them the correct directions and commands.
Any one cook up then both party will suffer. On one can gain any out of and down fall of another.
As for senior and staff officers, i am not sure of that ....
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Dream
in singapore many officers are selected out for their academic achievement align with influence of their parent or relative.
Maybe most are smart and quick enough to "siam" rather than bounding on a grenade. ok Probably a handful will find a better alternative other than bounding on it. -
If I am not wrong, that person was a fulltime NS Officer. Happened sometime in the 70s during live granade throwing exercise.Originally posted by Manager433:Yes. Its a true incident. -
Then in that case we better migrate oversea, leader that can't lead and man that is unwilling to listen. Our army is out to show with no real stuff seem to be quite true.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:Dream in singapore many officers are selected out for their academic achievement align with influence of their parent or relative.
Maybe most are smart and quick enough to "siam" rather than bounding on a grenade. ok Probably a handful will find a better alternative other than bounding on it. -
judging by some of the replies, this is surely one of those silly officer Vs men, us Vs them kind of tread.
why not turn it around and ask: "Are local men worth their officers dying for them?".
in France, an NSF officer mentioned that he volunteered for the legion because the men were worth dying for. so how? -
Well..Officers take the lead. Man follow by example..so there's no such things as the other way round. its the FACT.
Given a choice:
follow a warden officer or a comissioned officer i would rather pick a warden
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I believe it about your personal experience during ur NS times.
Be it if you are a man or officer.
Of course WOs are much more experience people to follow, given me the chance i would like to be leaded by a garang one. But both are hard to come by in the present day SAF. -
Lt Adnan is a Malaysian, from Selangor, I think... That's why we don't celebrate him as much as Lim Bo Seng.Originally posted by kengkia:
I think we should also make known all the other Malay soldiers in the platoon that died with him. All heroes every single one, not just the PC. -
the japanese were so tulan that that they hanged him on a tree and bayonetted him over and over again after he had died.Originally posted by chino65:Lt Adnan is a Malaysian, from Selangor, I think... That's why we don't celebrate him as much as Lim Bo Seng.
I think we should also make known all the other Malay soldiers in the platoon that died with him. All heroes every single one, not just the PC. -
not trying to act "brave"
I did dive on a standing recruit because some blur recruits fired rounds without listening to Fire Commands during range.
if you pre-2005 guys remember, BMT Range last time would have recrutis at the 100m mark with live rounds whle there is still recruits at the 50m shooting.
but of course... in BMT, the PC/OC is more focused on tekkaning that recruit... -
Well, it is all up to the relationship of officers, WSO and men. No one can work operate in peace time, not to mention wartimeOriginally posted by Ponders:not trying to act "brave"
I did dive on a standing recruit because some blur recruits fired rounds without listening to Fire Commands during range.
if you pre-2005 guys remember, BMT Range last time would have recrutis at the 100m mark with live rounds whle there is still recruits at the 50m shooting.
but of course... in BMT, the PC/OC is more focused on tekkaning that recruit... -
there's only about 40 this kind of hero in their history lah.. so what make u think sg wont have any??Originally posted by CPL:'Medal of Valor' to be Awarded to Fallen Maj. Ro'i Klein
The Medal of Valor has been awarded only some 40 times in the history of the State, and the award to Klein will be the first in 34 years. The last recipient was Brig.-Gen. (res.) Avigdor Kahalani, who commanded Armored Battalion 77 during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. -
My reservist platoon was a very highly-motivated one.
And our PC was the reason.
And I am certain our platoon was not the isolated case. All throughout my service I have met many great officers and at the same time some really bad ones in SAF.
I'm sure we are no differrent from other armies. If anything, I would rate our officers WAY above those of armies in our neighbourhood.
Our only difference/problem is our lack of combat experience, which is also very important in making a good soldier/officer. And real substance will only reveal itself in battle.
Ultimately, how an officer is depends on his in-born character. Training cannot bring out what isn't already there in the first place. -
During my NS time my men would follow me anytime and anywhere. I would also give my best for them but I dont think I would have dived on a grenade for them besides they all know how to throw grenades
but what I did was after every exercise and debiefing I would go back to my bunk and dive on my bed instead -
Once at night range I asked the platoon to fall in for a head count.
I was only attached to that infantry unit for one ICT so we didn't know each other well.
One Hokkien Peng remained squatting down and when I (Cpl) asked him to stand up he told me to KNN and said he had a headache.
More or less the whole platoon heard him using bad language on me - a Sect Cmdr.
I was mad but let him be at that time.
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Afterwards when everyone disperse I went up and jabbed him (not too hard) in the chest with my rifle butt and told him not to refer to parents when speaking. He was furious and surprised but did nothing.
He and a couple of his tattooed buddies look at me not shiok for the next few days afterwards but also did nothing.
I got on very well with the rest of the people especially the section under me and if this guy from another section doesn't like me, too bad.
I admit it was a bad move leadership-wise but I was furious at that time also. And to have done nothing would probably be even worse.
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well in most army that dude will be beaten and ordered to do a 5 mile run with combat gear....while it is arguable wether that is right or wrong... to let it slip is a mistake. Especially infront of other troops.