Rebels beheaded Philippine troops
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a properly sprung ambush will wipe out the entire force that enters the ambush kill zone.
however, i think if we take cover immediately after first shot out, number of casulties will be reduced significantly. -
These battle seasoned Marines should be better than the ordinary AFP trooper. It's just their top brass are totally crooked.Originally posted by seancannot:Would our SAF ADF or CDOs do better if ambushed?
Our CDO only lack battle experience, otherwise they are much much better trained and equipped. -
Reaction to ambush drills are different for different situations.Originally posted by beavan:a properly sprung ambush will wipe out the entire force that enters the ambush kill zone.
however, i think if we take cover immediately after first shot out, number of casulties will be reduced significantly.
I'm sure the AFP Marines took cover immediately. The casualty rate was high because they didn't or couldn't extract themselves from the ambush. That's why the number killed is as high or higher than the number wounded. -
Some years back there was an incident of elite israelis commandos got ambushed in lebanon , the whole platoon got wipe out , only one man make it back . think the fudamental is to be alert all the time , enemy can spring attack anytim even in the comfort of your base
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when i saw the footage reminded me of the book i read on......LZ Albany.
When the firing begins, the Cavalrymen drop into the tall 3-5 foot high elephant grass where it is impossible for the soldiers of either side to identify friend or foe except at extremely close range. Within minutes, the situation becomes a wild melee, a shoot-out, with the gunfighters killing not only the enemy but sometimes their friends just a few feet away. -
Originally posted by Arapahoe:
I didnt see the footage but I get exactly what you mean.10 hours fire fight not knowing who is shooting who .Those who tried to escape fast from the Killing zone probably ran right into the enemy and lost their heads.How did they estimate 400 over rebels?? If that was true then their lost wasnt heavy .
when i saw the footage reminded me of the book i read on......LZ Albany.
[b]When the firing begins, the Cavalrymen drop into the tall 3-5 foot high elephant grass where it is impossible for the soldiers of either side to identify friend or foe except at extremely close range. Within minutes, the situation becomes a wild melee, a shoot-out, with the gunfighters killing not only the enemy but sometimes their friends just a few feet away.[/b] -
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Originally posted by seancannot:Would our SAF ADF or CDOs do better if ambushed?
I would salute any SAF commander if they can do as well as those battle-hardened Marines under that ambushed situation...no info, under fire, confused...Considered lucky not getting FF or run over by your own armour.
Just look at US Marines in Vietnam...napham napham napham...
Side note: Does those 3G thingy + UAVs do any good in such situation under dense jungle and humid climate? -
Now the word is out to all PAF,
"Do not surrender"
"Better to shoot back and fight, no matter how hopeless" -
the couple of APC n the mortar was probably not effective enough for supressing fire against incoming ambush because of wide paremeter.
in the footage i saw marine running towards the front probably open a penetrating point ran behind enemy firing line try to out flank but find themselve surrounded by rebel with limited fire support from the frontel attack. Helo probably came late too.
I thought there were US special force station there for support and training. Sign! Ministry of defence should donate them some hardware. -
3G probably helps to call in Air support. don't u think? do they have heat imaging for UAV? i have no idea?Originally posted by Gun:
Side note: Does those 3G thingy + UAVs do any good in such situation under dense jungle and humid climate? -
3G also allows them to know where their own troopers are, reducing fratricide.
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He thinks our Primus and ICMs for fun one.
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That's assuming we will ever fight in a jungle.Originally posted by Gun:
I would salute any SAF commander if they can do as well as those battle-hardened Marines under that ambushed situation...no info, under fire, confused...Considered lucky not getting FF or run over by your own armour.
Just look at US Marines in Vietnam...napham napham napham...
Side note: Does those 3G thingy + UAVs do any good in such situation under dense jungle and humid climate?
The way the forces are re-oriented..I'm saying that we are gearing to a more urban-based warfare kind of Army. -
Reminds me of the time I was in tekong doing nav ex in the dusk, then another section doing ambush in the same area set off the trip flare on me. Man, was I surprised.
Luckily I didn't set off the smoke, or I'll have trouble accounting for it later. -
3G helps u identify foe or friend from a distance so that u dun haf to go extremely close and go knife wif him or shoot ur foe just to realise its ur buddy.
3G also helps pass information so that a battle strategy that was thought off at the point of ambush can be effectively executed to salvage a losing battle or point out where the enemy is less concentrated at and move out of the kill zone -
To be very honest the SAF was like fish out of water when in the jungle.These days I dont know and cannot comment.Originally posted by LazerLordz:That's assuming we will ever fight in a jungle.
The way the forces are re-oriented..I'm saying that we are gearing to a more urban-based warfare kind of Army. -
They didnt set off the flare on you but rather you were the "Wild Boar"who tripped the flare>Originally posted by ditzy:Reminds me of the time I was in tekong doing nav ex in the dusk, then another section doing ambush in the same area set off the trip flare on me. Man, was I surprised. Luckily I didn't set off the smoke, or I'll have trouble accounting for it later. -
Well so long as SG interest is in ASEAN than there will always a need to jungle warefare.Originally posted by LazerLordz:That's assuming we will ever fight in a jungle.
The way the forces are re-oriented..I'm saying that we are gearing to a more urban-based warfare kind of Army. -
what with the dud mortar...they should behead the moron who procured that
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more like u fight what you have on hand.Originally posted by tankfanatic:what with the dud mortar...they should behead the moron who procured that