Sys failure in ADF aviation ?
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If anybody wondered why mindef closed office early last last thursday, its coz someone unknowingly plugged his virus infected thumbdrive into one of the networked computers there.
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Puerile.Originally posted by lionnoisy:if there were serious problems,some news most likely leaked
here or there in nets.
There are many opposition party in SG,incl SAF ST,DSTA,dso,ETC !! -
You mean the SAF GLCs like "ST, DSTA, dso, ETCC !!" have opposition moles in them?!!!Originally posted by lionnoisy:if there were serious problems,some news most likely leaked
here or there in nets.
There are many opposition party in SG,incl SAF ST,DSTA,dso,ETC !!
Where is your proof?
And looking at how whistle blowers are treated in the NKF saga, do you seriously think the DSTA and co. with all the official secrets acts in place over their projects have little to fear from having their problems fixed?
Not that having the secrets acts is a bad thing, if there's something wrong with the Bx I would not want my potential enemies to know, but it's a double edged sword. Taken for granted, a non-accountable culture can lead to problems going undetected.
The ADF are willing to be open about their problems, on the other hand the same can't be said for the SAF, to which it takes REALLY big things that cannot be denied (usually involving death of our personnel or the NSF) to bring things out into the open.
Consider this: some of our elite formations have been violating the TSR for so long until the commanders didn't even know what it was anymore until one grunt had to die of dunking and all the dirt brought out.
What did you serve during NS as? Or have you even served it to begin with? If you think there's nothing wrong with our SAF culture that does not need to be fixed you might be delusional.
So look homeward before talking about the ADF.
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another
proof that SAF get little problems to be solved?'
-------amx-13 tank---- used as MBT when old outdated tank for years when other nation with smaller budget use better tanks. waste time on using Bionix to anyhow make a tank version
-------elite commando unit, dunt know training safety regulations
------F-16, precious front line fighter can still lose to crash
Only secreative country(note:NOT great)country can cover up and cover up and cover up.....
Aussie that big down under
country MUST be accountable, in the open.
Our airforce can crash big important front line airplane bought with your hard earn taxpayer money-----F-16CJ CFIT (RSAF). (Taken from the Accident Investigation Report (AIB).) On 19 May 2004, the pilot of an F-16 aircraft was killed when the aircraft he was flying impacted the ground in Arizona. The Republic of Singapore Air Force pilot and aircraft were stationed at Luke AFB. The aircraft crashed onto the Tohono O'Odham Nation away from any man-made structures with incidental damage to the immediate terrain and vegetation. No other injuries or death resulted.
Spend millions of your hard earned money on airplane and training pilot but still can lose airplane, if this is a commercial company is this acceptable?
The mishap aircraft was on a night opposed surface attack tactics mission with a flight of three F-16 aircraft. The mishap occurred on the second engagement between the three aircraft when the mishap aircraft executed a maneuver from approximately 14,000 feet MSL, that resulted in the mishap aircraft impacting the ground in a nearly vertical dive. There was no attempt by the mishap pilot to eject.
Note that now the own SAF involved in making failed bionix tank version for ur hard earn tax money----Stemming from a need to replace/augment the current fleet of AMX-13 SM1 light tanks, MINDEF and United Defense conducted a series of studies to mount the Thunderbolt Armoured Gun System's 120mm cannon turret (and alternatively, 105mm) on a variety of chassis, namely an extended Bionix chassis, the Universal Combat Vehicle Platform (which the SSPH Primus was based on) and a variant of the Thunderbolt's chassis. Early extensive attempts to mount an Oto Melara 120mm turret on the Bionix have been unsuccesful. [1]
In the end after millions wasted and 30 over year using old leaking tank, they finially decide to buy a second hand tank.
MINDEF has since decided to procure refurbished Leopard 2A4 MBTs. [2]
Is this acceptable? Dunt say I anyhow anti singgie, look evidence for yourself, even the WHOLE world know AMX 13 not useful, even the IDF the country SAF model itself after.
Israeli used AMX 13 and found it not useful, yet we dunt learn and replace ours sooner---The AMX 13 was tried by the Israelis and found to be difficult to resupply under battlefield conditions,
but for over 30 YEARs we sent our army boys to go into war in an obsolte tank when everybody else had better, is this the kind of army u want to send ur children to?
My English is very poor.So pl read it carefully yourself!!!
do u tink our SAF is as effective as the human army in the robat movie? where even with no com they shall find personal way to communicate and defeat advance alien robat?
do you think we can defend against this guy? or will you send your son to NS and he come back saying "mommy daddy my encik dunno how to defeat megatron because COE too high to buy bumblebee"?
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Good grief ST.... I nearly fell off my chair laughing over that.
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Which air force do not get accidents?
M113 is not perfect,but value for money.SG is poor and dunt spend
too much on defense.
Cant u pin point the in house up grade of F5 to F5S saved a lot of
$$$$.
Pl note again I do not generalised this or that country or
armed force is bad.Pl discuss issue by issue.
I just repeat what their medias reported.So dunt be more
angry their countrymen.
Can u tell me if Aussie new MBT can move smoothy in Aussie?
Co-pilot in crash missed training, * D.D. McNicoll, * July 10, 2007....The army pilot, identified only as Captain No7, said that on November 29 last year, when the helicopter he was co-piloting crashed into the deck of HMAS Kanimbla and plunged over the side, he did not hold a Crew Resource Management (CRM) training qualification, a requirement for anyone piloting a Black Hawk.....
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Pilot thought Black Hawk would 'bounce', * D.D. McNicoll, * July 10, 2007THE co-pilot of the Black Hawk helicopter that plunged into the sea off Fiji last year believed the aircraft would bounce and keep flying after it hit the deck of HMAS Kanimbla.
"It did feel a very firm landing, but I did think we would keep flying,'' the Army captain, who cannot be identified, told the board of inquiry today.
However, the tail of the aircraft snapped off and the fuselage fell into the ocean, sinking rapidly. .. -
Do you have any reason to believe that the battle tested M1 Abrams which has fought under extreme conditions in the Middle East from sandstorms to mudbaths and can still pick off targets at 3km will have any problems with Aussie environment?Originally posted by lionnoisy:Which air force do not get accidents?
[b]M113 is not perfect,but value for money.SG is poor and dunt spend
too much on defense.[/b][/quote]
Looks like it's not just your english is bad, but apparently your reading and comprehension skills at all.
Pwning yourself again? This shows you don't do your research at all.
Who's taking about the M113? We are talking about the AMX-13 tanks. Big difference.
M113:
Amx13:
And how poor is our armed forced? Considering that at over 7 BILLION we have much more money to our defence then our neighbours, ... you are indeed speaking rubbish.
Note that despite having armour as one of our main fighting forces, our main armour force projection weapon has been forced to rely on Bxs and not the AMX-13, which was little more then a mobile 75mm gun with poor protection for its crews and subpar mobility compared to MBTs much HEAVIER then it!
The truth is, the AMX-13 was always a big joke in our armed forces that considered itself the most advanced in the region... have you started toPl note again I do not generalised this or that country or
Then we also repeat what the medias reported on our army.
armed force is bad.Pl discuss issue by issue.
I just repeat what their medias reported.So dunt be more
angry their countrymen.Can u tell me if Aussie new MBT can move smoothy in Aussie?
Oh wait, you can't tell an M113 from an AMX13, so we shouldn't be too surprised.
[quote][url=http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22047092-31477,00.html]Co-pilot in crash missed training, * D.D. McNicoll, * July 10, 2007
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At least they know what happened, we crashed our F-16 for no rhyme no reason.
Is this acceptable if commercial company?
What can I say?
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orginally posted by noisylion:
Even thou SG get 7 BILLION of your hard earn tax payer money they still dunt able to have a proper training safety in their elite commando, keep using old obsolte 30 year old leaking tank and still can crash big important front line f-16 fighter.
If this is commercial company do u think this is acceptable?
Pl note again I do not generalised this or that country or
armed force is bad.Pl discuss issue by issue.
I just repeat what their medias reported.So dunt be more
angry their countrymen.
Can u tell me if my new post since I now learn from lionnoisy can tok smoothy in English?
Four Singapore commando officers jailed over train.... SINGAPORE (AFP) - Four officers of Singapore's elite army commando unit found guilty of using "shocking and senseless" methods that led to the death of a trainee have been sentenced to jail.
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Second Sergeant Hu Enhuai, 19, died during national service training last year after his head was repeatedly held under water as part of a survival course meant to prepare budding commandos in case they are captured in war.
The sentences were handed down Friday by a civilian court.
Lieutenants Divanandhari Ambat Chandrasekharan, 29, and Jeff Ng, 28, received a sentence of nine months' jail each for dunking Hu's head into a tub of water several times and "digging" into his nose so that he could not hold his breath, the Straits Times said.
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District Judge Ng Peng Hong described the training methods as "not only torturous but also inhumane"Captain Pandiaraj Mayandi, 34, who supervised the course in August 2003, was handed a three-month jail sentence for ordering the dunking to be carried out.
in an armed force that has 7 BILLION of ur hard earn tax a year, is “shocking and senseless” training method needed? Dunt say I anyhow not generalised this or that country or armed force is bad. I just repeat what their medias reported.
Warrant Officer S. Balakrishnan, 45, the commander of the training course and conducting officer on the day of the incident, was sentenced to two months' jail for failing to stop the two officers abusing the trainees.
The four were each handed concurrent jail terms of the same lengths for endangering the life of regular serviceman Captain Ho Wan Huo, 26, who was subjected to similar abuse but survived after eight days in hospital.
While delivering his judgement, District Judge Ng Peng Hong described the training methods as "not only torturous but also inhumane", the paper said.
"The training management plan requires training to be realistic and taken to meet actual battle conditions, but that does not mean safety has to be compromised," the paper quoted Ng as saying.
The family of Second Sergeant Hu was not present in court to hear the judgement but issued a statement through their lawyer, Alfonso Ang.
"The family hopes that the correct lessons have been learnt so that such a criminal act ... will never, ever, be repeated," the statement said.
"The family has suffered much pain over Enhuai's death and they hope to overcome this grief as soon as possible. They now consider the matter closed."
Ask yrself, do u think is this a army that can fight an evil alien robat? Or shall u send ur son to be under “shocking and senseless” training method that are no use against megatron because megatron dunt dunk human 2 kill them.
du u think megatron dunk pple 2 kill them? Dunt say I anyhow generalised this or that country or armed force, but megatron use finger and flick pple and then say “discusting”.
So our 7 BILLION hard earn tax payer money traning that kill our own men no use against alien robat.
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omg, i am rolling all over the floor laughing
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Do you have any reason to believe that the battle tested M1 Abrams which has fought under extreme conditions in the Middle East from sandstorms to mudbaths and can still pick off targets at 3km will have any problems with Aussie environment?
by spore traynours
pl read 27.09.2006.Aussie seems black out the news of this
battle tested MBT.Can this mighty and heavy MBT move around
Aussie?
How far can it go in Aussie?
Australian Abrams Tank Arrival---a bridge too light for MBT!!
the M1A1 Abrams tank - could be too heavy to transport to Darwin.
---New tanks coming, if not too heavy,By Kasey Brunt,September 24, 2006
http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2006/09/25/1159036468575.htmlThe report said they can not travel by rail because the Adelaide to Darwin rail network does not have the equipment needed to carry such a heavy load.
2.my god!! They have plenty of time and have not considered optios,
And they cannot be transported by road because several Territory road bridges can not hold mass over 50 tonnes.
evaluated and decied the best options and do it.
How can they do things in this way.They hv few years to prepare
and still in tis way.What if a new siuation coming up........
3.Armoured white elephants,Date: September 26 2006,
http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2006/09/25/1159036468575.htmlTHE arrival of the army's new Abrams tanks makes one wonder who, if anyone, is in charge of spending at Russell Hill, the defence headquarters in Canberra. Although the 59 second-hand tanks were projected as a bargain at just $550 million, including training, spares and some maintenance, this is just the start of the spending. The defence forces are being altered to accommodate them, to no convincing strategic purpose.
4.u can read my mind,if u understand my poor English,to see if
The 68-tonne behemoths may provide the ultimate in air-conditioned battlefield comfort and security for their four-man crews, but the difficulty for Australia will be getting them to battle, or anywhere. They are too big and heavy for existing rolling stock on the railway to Darwin, where they will be based, or for any ships or aircraft in the present navy or air force inventory. They are too heavy for any road bridges in the Northern Territory, let alone those in the South-East Asian or Pacific neighbourhood. They chew up four times as much fuel as the army's existing Leopard tanks to travel the same distance.
But not to worry, those helpful American arms salesmen have sold us four C-17 heavy-lift transport aircraft that were awaiting buyers on the Boeing production line, for just $2 billion. And anyway, we don't need to transport them anywhere. They are just for training the crews. When we assign our tank forces to the next American operation, the US army will have identical-model Abrams tanks positioned on the battlefield for Australian crews to operate. Presumably they'll be allowed to fly their own flag.
The Abrams deal is a sign of the way the Iraq intervention is distorting defence policy, quite aside from the debate about its place in the campaign against terrorism. The army-based expeditionary force has been raised to cult-like status. Defence doctrine has been shifted significantly with little scrutiny.
Where defence chiefs once envisaged a nimble, "knowledge-based" force for the new century, using intelligence and communications to make up for limited numbers and firepower, now there is talk of a "hardened" force able to take part in high-intensity battle of a kind we are unlikely to see in our region, outside perhaps in Korea.
This profligacy is coming at a time when "block obsolescence" has put heavy demands on the defence budget, not to mention the billion-dollar fiasco of the navy's helicopters. Spending on capital equipment for the defence forces over the next 10 years is already slated at $54 billion, assuming no major overruns or hidden costs. In addition, Canberra recently announced a $10 billion plan to raise two new army battalions, one of them an armoured unit, at a time when the forces are struggling to maintain their present modest strength of 52,000 and just before a demographic shift will reduce the traditional recruiting pool of 17- to 20-year-olds. Despite past claims by government ministers that geography no longer matters, policy reviews still endorse the longstanding, bipartisan agreement that the defence priority is Australia and its immediate region. The Abrams tanks don't fit into this, and seem destined for white elephant status.
i am bias or just ''copy and write''?
5.pl read how Aussie government funded body wrote about
the might ADF!I suggest u down load this 16 pages report
and digest it.It is not fair ADF if i quote pieces meals.
http://www.aspi.org.au/publications/publication_details.aspx?ContentID=110&pubtype=10
Improving Defence Management,Monday, 22 January 2007,---Mark Thomson held a number of positions in(Aussie) Defence working in the
areas of capability development and resource
management. In 1999 he was Political Military
Adviser to Major General Peter Cosgrove
during the INTERFET operation. Prior to his
time with Defence, Mark held a series of
academic research and teaching positions in
theoretical physics.
How can the Army talk to central government direct for expansion?
page 3..There also appear to be problems with
The simple rule of proper channel seems forgotton in Ausssie!!
the setting of priorities for investment in
future capability. Specifically, it is unclear
how much strategic discipline is exercised
within current planning.
The recent initiative
by Army to expand by two battalions is an
example. Rather then work through the
central capability development process, Army
prepared its own $10 billion submission to
government. Irrespective of the merits of
the case to expand the Army (which appear
strong) the task of planning the size and
shape of the ADF should be done centrally
so that the merits of proposals can be
judged against the alternatives in a strategic
long-term context.
The same applies to the
unplanned and surprise acquisition of four
C-17 aircraft this year at a cost of $2.2 billion.
6.Pl read Janes DW dd 18.04.2007 by Julian Kerr and other issues
by Andrew Daviespl search in /www.aspi.org.au .
7.The generation gap: Australia and the Super Hornet by Andrew Davies
Tuesday, 13 February 2007This paper takes a critical look at Australia's future combat aircraft plans and questions the wisdom of a rushed acquisition of the Super Hornet. It is written by Andrew Davies, ASPI's Operations and Capability Program Director.
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Seriously, noisy lion.... the more you speak, the more people laugh at you.
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like william hung attempting to sing..they dont know what the hell he is singingOriginally posted by fudgester:Seriously, noisy lion.... the more you speak, the more people laugh at you. -
1.i am doing good deeds to make people laugh,even they laugh at me.Originally posted by fudgester:Seriously, noisy lion.... the more you speak, the more people laugh at you.
2.Pl think why Aussie is not a Reference Customer in defense
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Who cares if you are a reference customer? That's only for people interested in making a buck out of you.Originally posted by lionnoisy:1.i am doing good deeds to make people laugh,even they laugh at me.
2.Pl think why Aussie is not a Reference Customer in defense
requisition,while your red dot country is?
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Yes, your good deed is entertaining us with your bad english and poorly thought out arguments. If you haven't realized nobody is taking you seriously.Originally posted by lionnoisy:1.i am doing good deeds to make people laugh,even they laugh at me.
2.Pl think why Aussie is not a Reference Customer in defense
requisition,while your red dot country is?
And if you haven't noticed, the military affairs in Australia is extremely political. For every move they make there will be critics that will have their piece to say. You don't have this effect in the SAF, and that's why we can use the AMX-13 for decades and still show it in our ads like it's a garang tank.
Do you seriously think the Leopard 2s that we are getting, that are in the same weight class and size as the Abrams, will not give us the same problems moving around in Singapore and SEA? And worse, don't forget the SEA terrain is far more restricted then the open terrain of Australia.
Do you think our small and off-road bridges can support our Leo2s?
It is indeed clear that you are just recklessly posting anything you can find without even considering the merits.
In fact you can just about find the same number of articles to post dirt dirt on the yanks if you want. Your weak link is that you have demostrated no understanding of millitary affair at all.
But I'm not surprised, if you english is that poor, I doubt you can understand the articles you quote beyond the title.
Obviously you are delusional.
LOL, and we are a reference customer because we are willing to spend a huge chunk of our GDP on defence. For a country of 4 million we are in the top 30 military spenders!
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Yawn, and please the Abrams article you quoted is paethetic. Since 1991 methods of transporting MBTs have long been developed. The lightweight fighter mafia in this case is pointing out the changes that have to be made and cringing at it.
The fact you can quote it shows how little you know about armoured warfare.
The alternative is to go into battle in a lesser MBT that cannot stand up to enemy fire... which I'm sure is something you like. Maybe you'd like to keep with moving around in a 15-ton AMX-13?
Do you seriously think we can move our Leopard 2s without having to engineer the way for them, especially in the north?
Do you think all of our military stuff can fly like the Decepticons?
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And Erm, you seem to leave out the articles in which the Australians have worked out why the Abrams is a good choice, and HOW TO TRANSPORT THEM.
Selective quoting again?
Look at it this way, the bridges in Iraq are even weaker then those in Australia, and the Yanks still managed to get them across pretty good and at record speed as well to capture the country within weeks.FACT SHEET
THE M1A1 ABRAMS INTEGRATED MANAGEMENT MAIN BATTLE TANK
During operations in Iraq the M1A1 clearly demonstrated it has the necessary firepower, mobility and survivability to achieve dominance on the battlefield as part of a combined arms team.
The M1A1 demonstrated its effectiveness in Iraq on many occasions. In one instance an M1A1 took a direct hit to the ammunition storage area, all of the rounds inside were detonated, however the crew survived and carried on with their mission.
Australian Warrant Officer Joe Day who was serving on exchange with the US Marine Corps 1st Light Armoured Reconnaissance Battalion during operations in Iraq commented that from his observations the M1A1 was the 'king of the battlefield and that light armour and infantry couldn't survive without tanks and guns'.
Warrant Officer Day also saw an M1A1 take a direct hit from an Iraqi T- 62 and then continue on and destroy the enemy tank.
The motor and transmission on the M1A1 performed so well in Iraq on the very long drives through difficult terrain that the US Tank Automotive and Armaments Command are not planning any further work on trying to extend the transmission hours as they do not need it.
The M1A1 AIM vehicle that Australia will procure will not be equipped with either Depleted Uranium armour or munitions. The armour on offer is of an advanced composite design, which is in accord with our capability requirements.
The new tank will fire an advanced kinetic energy Tungsten penetrator against vehicles and a multi-purpose round for infantry support. The tank is powered by a gas turbine engine, the AGT-1500. Gas turbine engines, including the AGT-1500, are truly multi-fuel. They offer excellent power/weight ratios compared to diesel engines.
They have a very good cold-start capability (unlike a diesel), with smooth torque and low vibration (an advantage for crews and sensitive onboard systems). The gas turbine motor is also substantially quieter than a traditional diesel tank engine ( like that in a Leopard 1). Additional tactical refuelling trucks to provide fuel for the tanks in the field are included in the $A550m package.
Outside of the US Army and US Marine Corps the M1A1 is operated by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
The M1A1 AIM tank was selected for the following reasons:
The M1A1 AIM has the best overall survivability of the options considered. It offers battlefield proven protection for its crews.
The M1A1 AIM in Australian service will be very similar to the remainder of the large user community. It is part of a large fleet with stable, known operating costs, which will be in service beyond 2020.
They will be configured as part of a fleet of 3,500 similar vehicles across the world. These particular vehicles will be very similar to over 2,500 vehicles operated by the US to at least 2020.
The M1A1 AIM has the best potential to support network centric warfare. It offers a proven integrated and highly capable radio and battlespace management system.
The M1A1 AIM is assessed to have the least technical acquisition risk as the vehicle type and configuration for Australian service is already in production. It is a proven design, which is already in contract.
The M1A1 AIM is the right tank for Australian service. It is a highly survivable and affordable vehicle, with excellent potential for network centric warfare. The M1A1 provides the best value for Commonwealth dollar with low production and technical risk.
The Foreign Military Sales (FMS) offer for the M1A1 includes, spares, training, support vehicles, Armoured Recovery Vehicles, simulation systems, radios and ancillary equipment as part of the overall package.
The M1A1 that ADF will procure are essentially remanufactured vehicles. They have been returned to a zero miles zero hours condition. This will provide substantial cost benefits in comparison to purchasing new vehicles.
The M1A1 Abrams weighs less than 63,000 kilograms (<63 tonnes) when fully combat laden. This is only slightly heavier than the Leopard 2 (which we use) and is lighter than the Challenger takes that were considered. All three tank options that were considered are within 1000 kg of each other in combat configuration. In transport configuration the M1A1 will weigh around 59-60 tonnes.
Additional Heavy Equipment Transporters and trailers will be procured under Project Land 121.
The crane that loaded tanks in Darwin would be capable of doing the same for M1. We have an ongoing discussion about strategic rail transport in Australia and the issue of appropriate rolling stock will continue to be discussed. -
Strategic Rationale for the Acquisition of a new Tank
The thinking underlying the decision to purchase the Abrams M1A1 reflects the same strategic rationale which the Government outlined in the Defence 2000 White Paper.
That white paper stated that the Government would ensure that ‘our land forces will have the combat weight they need to achieve their missions without undue risk’.
TodayÂ’s decision follows through on the GovernmentÂ’s commitment and is aligned with existing strategic policy as expressed in the White Paper.
A wide range of extremely lethal, concealable, high technology weapons are becoming available to our potential adversaries. These weapons can be carried, concealed and operated by one person. They are cheap and accessible.
This means that, even when we do not expect to meet major opposition (such as in peacekeeping or evacuation operations), our soldiers can encounter, without warning, highly lethal weapons of a standard that simply did not exist a few years ago.
It would be entirely irresponsible of the Government to send AustraliaÂ’s young men and women into harmÂ’s way without giving them adequate protection and the means to achieve their missions.
Capable tanks provide this capability. Independent scientific studies have shown that, where capable tanks are present, they reduce friendly casualties by a factor of six, and almost double the chance of mission success. Because of their precision firepower and excellent sensor systems, they also reduce casualties to innocent bystanders and prevent collateral environmental damage.
The current tank is becoming increasingly vulnerable to a proliferation of sophisticated anti-armour weapons and clearly we couldnÂ’t continue with it in that threat environment on the battlefield.
The Government has accepted the Chief of ArmyÂ’s argument that combined arms teams, including capable infantry, tanks, armoured vehicles, artillery, Special Forces and other elements, are essential for the Army to fulfil its role. -
orginally posted by noisylion:
Bad cultures are very hard to be changed.
i HAVE MENTIONED SOME WHERE that there is system failure in singgie education system.
English being taught in the Public School system is fraught with grammatical errors and just generally poor levels of spoken English. Written English is even worse. -- Good he left it at spoken English. He'd get a heart attack if he saw the written English we have here!.. As he concluded, there "is a seeming disregard of the use of proper spoken English." ".......
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An indictment of failure english culture, --... Up until the 1960s, and even in schools where English was the medium of instruction, no one assumed that the children spoke English as a family language. Consequently, the methods used were those of teaching English as a second language, which meant very careful attention paid to enlarging vocabulary and instilling the rules of grammar. Much time was spent on grammar drills to hone the pupils' skills at things like the future perfect tense, the subjunctive and the fine shades of meaning among similar words. See example at right.
3.Am I anti singgie again? Even autobat just arrive on earth can learn English from world wide web but we noisy lions who live in singgie whole life dunt?
However, in the 1970s, a rapid conversion of all schools into English-medium ones took place, as the government shut down Chinese, Malay and Tamil-medium schools. As demand for English teachers grew, so standards fell. Furthermore, geography, physics or carpentry teachers were also required to use English in their classes, but as these adults were not using English as their first language, it meant that the students would hear broken English from those teachers.
In addition, the rapid expansion of English-medium education meant that students from families that never used English at home had to use English in school. This was unlike the previous decades when the English-medium schools tended to attract pupils from homes that did speak some English. Just when the task of teaching English became wider and harder, the difficulty of getting teachers who spoke good English became greater.
At around the same time, the Education ministry experimented with American teaching methods. Those were the days when British prestige had sunk to new lows and even the Sterling Pound had to be bailed out by the IMF. America was the shining example of modernity. These teaching methods involved more listening and speaking than being drilled in grammar rules.
It was a hopelessly misguided change, for the linguistic background in Singapore was nothing like White middle-class America, where children absorbed English with mother's milk. Learning by immersion and example cannot work if the environment was saturated with bad English.
(Nowadays, the scales have fallen from our eyes. Every time we see some American write on any bulletin board something like, "What I want to know is whether your expected to tip...." we see living proof that teaching language without grammar drills simply doesn't work.)
Another American idiocy imported into our education system was the multiple-choice test. I myself don't remember any use of multiple-choice testing when it came to English in my schooldays. We had to write long essays. We had to read and re-read dense passages followed by some questions to test our understanding of the text, and those questions had to be answered with a paragraph or two. We had to paraphrase other sentences or condense an entire paragraph into a key sentence to capture the gist of it. We had to pen telegrams in exactly 25 words (which I thought was a useless skill since telegrams were obsolescent, only to discover decades later that I can tap out more concentrated sms messages than most). And we had to transpose sentences into other time frames to test our mastery of tenses, or insert new ideas into an existing sentence by means of additional clauses.
How multiple choice questions would teach students to do all that with language, I cannot imagine.
Thus, except for a small minority, the masses picked up, not English, but a corrupted form of it.
More politics was to come. The annual Speak Mandarin Campaign confused priorities. Together with political campaigns against western "yellow culture", official veneration of Confucianism and emphasis on our "roots", "aping the West" became a liability. It was a small step from here to a general ridicule of people with perfect English and internationally acceptable intonation.
Meanwhile, the economics-trained technocrats in our government said that Singapore must preserve our competitive advantages vis-Ã -vis a rising China, and one of them is the fact that we're an English-speaking country.
Lo! we're now officially an English-speaking country, because the government said so. Therefore, what we speak must be English. If it sounds like English and the government says it's English, it's English. Since we have arrived, why is there a need to make an effort to improve our English?
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Even this guy who dunt can speak can to use a old-fashion radio to make himself understood but us noisy lions with a ex computer and keyboard cannot? Is there not a sys failure in singgie education system?
Much hard earn tax payer money has been spent on good English program, but yet u can send yr children to school and they come back saying “mommy daddy my friend speak bad English like lion noisy!”
If this is commercial company shall this be acceptabley allowed?
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--http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22059571-31477,00.html
....Although Australian Aerospace, a wholly owned subsidiary of Eurocopter, delivered 11 helicopters by a June 1 deadline, only seven have passed the rigorous inspection process.....
Jane's Defence Weekly reports that only four Tiger instructors and five aircrew have been trained, while initial operational capability stipulations require 16 fully trained aircrew and four flying instructors.
2.Problems with Hawk 'accepted', * Dan Box and D.D. McNicoll, * July 12, 2007..The Black Hawks had a history of rotor droop - a drop in the available power to the rotors, not a droop of the blades - which had been discussed by their crews but had not gone any further, Captain No 9 said. "While there is a recognition that droop can lead to mission failure ... there is also a level of acceptance," Captain No 9 said in a statement tendered to the inquiry...
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No effort here to speak English well
2.[url= http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2005/yax-403.htm]Teachers 'accepted' and carry on 2 teaching bad English to noisy lion kids with tax payer hard earn money
[quote].. I was, however, quite disappointed when, on two occasions at a big shopping centre, I met some school teachers taking their Primary 3 and 4 pupils out on an excursion - the teachers were not speaking to the kids in complete sentences.
The impression left is a seeming disregard of the use of proper spoken English..
china with less english experience and money on time on budget make better effort then small red dotIn contrast, when I spent two weeks in Shanghai on a business trip - where I had many opportunities to come into contact with students, teachers and those connected with tourism - I found that most of them were putting in a great deal of effort to speak English well, not only in full comprehensible sentences, but also with correct pronunciation, intonation and style.
dunt say I anyhow anti or good singgie singgie -
lionnoisy tried his best at his 4th PSLE english exam, but it still wasn't good enough...
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Why so many problems in two types of heli?
Why 3 Black Hawk fell from the sky?
Why the earlier complaints,since 8 years ago, of
defective engines were ignored?
How many Black Hawk in ADF?The army acquired 39 Black Hawks, the last of them in 1991.
2.a succession of accidents or ignorances of defective engines!!---Black Hawk crashes,by Phillip Hudson, Mark Davis, Tom Allard and David BraithwaiteEleven Super Seasprites have been bought for more than $1 billion, but these specialist maritime helicopters have yet to pass full airworthiness and could be scrapped before they are used on operations and deployments.[/quote]
Pl tell me why so many problems!?
1.Pilots warned about lack of Black Hawk power, * D.D. McNicoll, * July 13, 2007
[quote]...Major No 2 said the way the aircraft were flown was then modified to lessen the chances of rotor droop during the special operations "quick stop" hovering manoeuvers needed to drop SAS troopers into fire zones...
Since then two other army Black Hawks, one in Timor and one in NSW, have crashed into the ground during quick stop manoeuvers - and the rules governing special operations flights have again been changed to provide more control over approach heights and speeds.....
"The engines couldn't produce the power to support the weight of the aircraft," he said.
Major No 2 said a digital fuel delivery system on the engines of newer Black Hawk helicopters virtually eliminated any chance of rotor droop by providing full power on demand without any lag.
"We certainly don't have the best equipment in the world in any of the Australian defence forces," Major No 2 said.
November 30, 2006....It was only in April last year that a navy Sea King helicopter took off from the Kanimbla before it crashed, killing nine military personnel, on the Indonesian island of Nias.
Australia has lost many more service personnel in helicopter accidents over the past decade than from any other cause. The latest crash will reignite questions about the safety of the Black Hawks.
In June 1996, 18 servicemen, 15 of them from the SAS, died when two Black Hawks collided during a training exercise near Townsville.
In June 1992 a Black Hawk crashed near Oakey, Queensland, killing two, and one clipped trees with the then prime minister, Paul Keating, aboard during the election campaign in February 1996.....
The army acquired 39 Black Hawks, the last of them in 1991.Eleven Super Seasprites have been bought for more than $1 billion, but these specialist maritime helicopters have yet to pass full airworthiness and could be scrapped before they are used on operations and deployments. The navy also operates Sea Hawk helicopters, but they are getting old.
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By right this topic should be closed.
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By left this is hilarious.
Which armed forces does not experience difficulties and spates of accidents form time to time?
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Why so many problems in SAF that cos pple to die?
Why 2 commando fell from the sky?
Why the earlier complaints, since many years ago, of
Unsafe trainings were ignored?
how many accident in SAF?The army acquired 39 Black Hawks, the last of them in 1991.
2.NO MEDICAL OFFICER ON DUTY TO SAFE DROWNING SAF SOLDIER.As is the case for other SAF units, training safety is accorded high priority, particularly due to the sensitivity in handling the well-being of national servicemen who constitute a large part of the Commando Formation. Serious training incidents are relatively rare, but they were also rarely publicised or discussed in the media until recently. In 2003, training safety standard began to come under increased scrutiny when Second Sergeant Hu Enhuai of the Singapore Guards died during a Combat Survival Training course conducted by the Commandos on 21 August [1]. Four Commandos were charged in court a year later [2] for carrying out the "dunking" procedure deemed inappriopriate for training purposes.
Other recent incidents include the death of a regular serviceman, Second Sergeant Rajagopal Thirukumaran of Singapore Guards after a run during the selection for the Ranger course conducted by the CTW on 3 September 2003 [3], and a heli-rappelling incident on 14 July 2005 in which a regular Commando, First Sergeant Shiva s/o Mohan, and a foreign serviceman were killed. [4]
On 15 June 2005, another regular serviceman, Second Sergeant Ong Jia Hui, 24, drowned during training, even though four instructors were within visible range from him at the Changi Naval Base. [5] He was training as a member of the Maritime Counter-Terrorism Group in the Special Operations Force at the time of this death. [6] On 20 June 2006, a 24-year-old commando officer died while undergoing training at a swimming pool in Hendon Camp. [1]
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Pl tell me why so many accidents!?
1.SAF commando officer dies during training in swimming pool... SINGAPORE : A 24-year-old SAF commando officer died while undergoing training at a swimming pool in Hendon Camp in Changi on Tuesday.
A MINDEF statement says Lieutenant (LTA) Lionel Lin Shi Guan encountered difficulties while in the pool.
An instructor immediately passed him a float and got him to swim to the edge.
But while doing so, LTA Lin went under water.
The commando regular was brought back up by an instructor who was next to him; he was taken to the pool's edge and given immediate medical attention.
But LTA Lin began vomiting and passed out.
He was then rushed to the camp's medical centre, where doctors tried to resuscitate him before taking him to Changi General Hospital.
LTA Lin was pronounced dead at 5pm, about an hour after the incident occurred..
[quote]... newspaper report about the enquiry into the drowning of a naval NS man. It was reported that when the victim was brought to the medical centre, there was [b]no MO (medical officer) on duty because the centre had not been informed..3. bad and unsafe habits picked up from SAF in your precious children n sons.... While such cases tend to be dramatic and attract lots of media attention, I feel that the danger from picking up harmful habits is much greater. Today, there was a front page report in the papers about 2 young men who were infected with the deadly HIV when they were doing NS. This reminds me of a case I encountered back in the 1970Â’s when I was a platoon commander in 30SCE in Mandai. One day, one of my men came to me for permission to go to Middle Road Hospital for treatment, twice a week (or something like that). At that time, Middle Road Hospital (hope I got the name correct) specialized in sexually transmitted diseases.
“You have VD is it?” I asked. “Yes”, he replied somewhat shyly. But to my horror, I detected a hint of pride in his voice. Apparently, my men have been organising tours to Hatyai for their R&R after they completed their BMT. Some of these young, immature kids were proud that they finally achieved manhood, and even have the evidence to prove it.
Another sad statistic to share with my readers. At the beginning of their 6-month course under me, there were only 2 smokers in the whole platoon of nearly 30 men. By the end of the course, there were only 2 non-smokers left, myself being one of them.
We know that the SAF is well-aware of this problem and is taking proactive measures to address it. I hope they succeed. But for todayÂ’s NSmen, [b]I believe, the dangers may have increased considerably since my time.
do u want your son and daughter 2 be in such an aircraft?
