Sys failure in ADF aviation ?
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Then exile him to Tanzania. The Tanzanian devils will keep him comapny.Originally posted by Gedanken:Hey hey hey, watch it - we don't want him! Actually, that probably explains the chip on his shoulder.
I'm sorry, but do we see anybody else calling Australia "the great Aussie"? Hell, those of us who live here don't do that.
As for members here who don't know about lionnoisy's postings, I second LazerLord's advice. Do a search on this forum for lionnoisy and see the number of threads he's started about Australia. Review what he's posted, how he's responded (or failed to respond) to the counterpoints made by more objective members, and then decide for yourselves if he's got a hard-on for Australia-bashing. -
Okay, just to be sure, that's Tanzania and not Tasmania, right?
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Ah shit.. Tasmania..Originally posted by Gedanken:Okay, just to be sure, that's Tanzania and not Tasmania, right?
But there's some begotten land called Tanzania, by all means. -
Well, bugger that idea then - Tassie's way too close for comfort. Maybe send him to Queensland where he can cosy up to old Pauline - I'm sure they'll make a great pair.
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Lol, that was some good pwning there!Originally posted by Gedanken:I'd disagree, Lordz. King Cutnpaste doesn't offer any points of his own - he just picks up any and all clippings about Australia that have the slightest hint of bad news in them and gleefully plasters them all over the forum. It's indiscriminate, and the law of averages states that he'll occasionally post something that makes sense, but that's by accident rather than design. As the Yanks say, the sun's gotta shine on a dog's ass sometime. -
LOL, double PWNED!Originally posted by Gedanken:Ah, a Semtex vest with Primacord trimming - it's the latest craze in Kandahar, from what I hear.
Looking at his level of intellect, betting odds are that our Not-So-Smart Bomb will put it together in his motel room and then press the button to make sure it works before heading off to the nearest shopping centre. -
Fwah.. LN like kena shot up pretty badly.
Seriously LN, whats with the "shoot the aussies" sentiment? Something bad happened to you while you were there?
Nice quotes on the articles, but all there is to say is that "Shit happens." We'd probably hear more about our SAF if our press was not so restricted and the threat of OSA isn't looming over us all the time.
Still, Aussie does have pretty slow pace to life. My buddy who moved there recently has been been complaining how long it takes for them to mail him a setup kit for broadband access. Couple that with murphy's law, its sounds perfectly normal to me. -
If u guys are share holders of company developing M113
with a fixed price contract,would you be happy it take 10
years to upgrade M113 and now still developing?
Not to mention u are share holders of shipping company
and your ships (ie the great Colins class subs) can sail
out 88 days per years!!
This is totally NOT acceptable in commercial world.
I am curious why you set the expected standard
for a first world armed force so low?
2.Pl read the Ex Summary of the crash report.
The mismanagement in ADF occur almost every corner.
Safety measures are not followed etc..... -
I was quite surprised when he suddenly started to talk about water, for one thingOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Ged, to be fair, the deluded Lion does bring up valid points about the ADF.
However, when he starts running around in circles and suddenly goes back to yelling about water shortages in the "Great Aussie", any ounce of credibility that would allow people who don't know about him to discuss these issues, actually vanished with a pop. -
I'm touched by your concern - damned near moved to tears, even.Originally posted by lionnoisy:If u guys are share holders of company developing M113
with a fixed price contract,would you be happy it take 10
years to upgrade M113 and now still developing?
Not to mention u are share holders of shipping company
and your ships (ie the great Colins class subs) can sail
out 88 days per years!!
This is totally NOT acceptable in commercial world.
I am curious why you set the expected standard
for a first world armed force so low?
2.Pl read the Ex Summary of the crash report.
The mismanagement in ADF occur almost every corner.
Safety measures are not followed etc.....
Well, I would be if I didn't know what your agenda was. -
Repeating yourself won't make you look any smarter, in fact it makes your points seem weaker as you not only fail to rebut anything raised up against you, but seem to be sticking your fingers into your ears and singing "la la la, i am lionnoisy, i cannot hear you"Originally posted by lionnoisy:If u guys are share holders of company developing M113
with a fixed price contract,would you be happy it take 10
years to upgrade M113 and now still developing?
Not to mention u are share holders of shipping company
and your ships (ie the great Colins class subs) can sail
out 88 days per years!!
This is totally NOT acceptable in commercial world.
I am curious why you set the expected standard
for a first world armed force so low?
2.Pl read the Ex Summary of the crash report.
The mismanagement in ADF occur almost every corner.
Safety measures are not followed etc.....
Yawn... you make your statements showing a that you are totally ignorant of how things work in the military entirely.
The JSF has been delayed despite millions of dollars of funding and cost overruns... and it's the AMERICANS who are doing it! Is this acceptable in the commercial world?
The Next Generation Infantry Weapon has been in the works for over TWENTY YEARS and millions spent on weapons that never got down to the grunts, again by the AMERICANS. Is this acceptable in the commercial world?
After spending billions of dollars to develop the Seawolf SSN, in the end only a small fraction of the boats were built, again by the AMERICANS Is the acceptable?
And let's not talk about the Americans, what about ourselves?
We stuck with an obsolete, post WW2 tank design for DECADES while virtually every other first world armed forces had modern MBTs, wasted millions of dollars on some half-hearted Bx-LT variant before settling on getting second hand Leopard 2s! Is the ACCEPTABLE by your standards?
Out of the blue we crashed one of our front line F-16s! By your reasoning we must be asking what kinds of pilots we are having! Is the ACCEPTABLE?
Also, let's not forget that we drowned one of our own grunts during a training exercise! Safety measures not followed! Is this acceptable?
Not too long back a HMG exploded because our grunts were not told properly on how to handle a round lodged in the chamber! Is this acceptable?
Please read the Ex summary of our own accidents, how come you can accept our own SAF's shortcomings but need to start a thread on "sys failure" when it comes to the ADF as if it was something extraordinary?
You are a taxpayer funding the SAF... by your own argument would you be happy to invest in such a company?
LOL, PWNED. -
Let's apply lionnoisy's logic (and Engrish) to ourselves, shall we?
Sys failure in RSAF aviation?
i HAVE MENTIONED SOME WHERE there is system failure in singapore armed force!
Human factors caused RSAF F-16 crash - http://www.f-16.net/news_article1178.htmlAbout 45 minutes into the flight contact with Lieutenant Loo was lost. He crashed about 90 nautical miles south of the base in rough desert terrain near the Mexican borderÂ…
despite spending millions of your hard earn money to train the great and mighty singgie pilots, they still can lose contact and crash a big important front line airplane. If this is commercial company do you think this is acceptable?In 2003, training safety standard began to come under increased scrutiny when Second Sergeant Hu Enhuai of the Singapore Guards died during a Combat Survival Training course conducted by the Commandos on 21 August [1]. Four Commandos were charged in court a year later [2] for carrying out the "dunking" procedure deemed inappriopriate for training purposes.
3.Am I anti Singgie again?Board of Inquiry report---many people found the commandos have violated the big important training safety manual and go to dunking their own soldiers!
Other recent incidents include the death of a regular serviceman, Second Sergeant Rajagopal Thirukumaran of Singapore Guards after a run during the selection for the Ranger course conducted by the CTW on 3 September 2003 [3], and a heli-rappelling incident on 14 July 2005 in which a regular Commando, First Sergeant Shiva s/o Mohan, and a foreign serviceman were killed. [4]
On 15 June 2005, another regular serviceman, Second Sergeant Ong Jia Hui, 24, drowned during training, even though four instructors were within visible range from him at the Changi Naval Base. [5] He was training as a member of the Maritime Counter-Terrorism Group in the Special Operations Force at the time of this death. [6] On 20 June 2006, a 24-year-old commando officer died while undergoing training at a swimming pool in Hendon Camp. [1]
Will you trust your own children and put them in SAF? Or will they say “mommy daddy I saw encik trespass safety rule?”
4.Pl dunt blind saying singgie is good good or bad bad. -
That impersonation's so spot-on it's scary.
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LOL, then we know that "lionnoisy" will go on and make it sound as if it is impossible to go through NS without getting injured or killed.
Frankly this guy is really funny, and if he hasn't noticed didn't even change the opinion of ANY since his misadventure in here started... he should have stuck in Speaker's Corner. -
Originally posted by Gedanken:That impersonation's so spot-on it's scary.
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I think we're gonna have to write profile for all the guys who use this forum. Heh.
LN: Hates australia. Doesn't change his opinions. What else to add?
At least when people come in n read, they know who to take seriously. Ooo I know what to add for mine. "Sincerely believes there are Gundams under Pedra Branca, and RSAF has squadrons of VF-1s"
Chill out guys! its a forum! -
Dang.... I just came back from a two-week ICT, only to find out that I missed out on this drop-dead hilarious thread!
LN: I can agree that the Aussies don't have a perfect defence force, but it would be a mistake to think that our own SAF is infallible. I have always said that before we start putting down our neighbours, we should first make sure that our own house is in order.
Before we start talking about 'Sys failure in ADF aviation', we should really take a look at how the system in the SAF has failed its own people at times - the commando dunking saga being a case in point.
Heck, I could start a thread (in your trademark style) on some of the negative experiences I had over my high-key ICT, but then again I don't want to have a couple of MPs at my front door tomorrow morning.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:That impersonation's so spot-on it's scary.
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another
proof that ADF get little problems to be solved?
-------$2 billion Tiger heli---- two years behind schedule.
-------Navy's $1 billion Super Seasprite ,5 years overdue
------M113 APC upgrade,10 years still not completed
Only big country(note:NOT great)country can afford
delay and delay.....
We this little red dot state
country MUST be done on budget,on schedule.
Note that now the own Aussie co. involved----Australian Aerospace
---http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22031326-31477,00.html
Payments stopped on $2bn Tiger contract
* Mark Dodd
* July 07, 2007
PAYMENT has been stopped on the army's $2 billion Tiger helicopter contract because of pilot training delays - the latest glitch in a troubled project that is now two years behind schedule.
The Defence Materiel Organisation, which is overseeing the contract with Australian Aerospace, stopped payment after delays in the development of flight simulators led to a shortage in the number of trained pilots, a senior DMO official told The Weekend Australian.
The troubled Tiger program is the latest in a litany of billion-dollar defence acquisitions plagued by problems.
One of the most recent scandals involves the Navy's $1 billion Super Seasprite contract, first ordered in 1997. None of the 11 refurbished helicopters is operational in a contract that is now five years overdue.
Seven of the 22 Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopters on order have been accepted and the aircraft have successfully flown more than 1500 hours.
But problems in France at Australian Aerospace's parent company are being blamed for causing delays in the development of flight simulators for training in Australia, a key part of the contract.
A senior Australian Aerospace official, Bill Wilson, confirmed payments were stopped on June 1 because the company had failed to meet training deadlines.
"They've (helicopters) been delayed beyond the IOC (Initial Operational Capability) date, which they were contracted to be delivered," Mr Wilson said.
"If you were privy to the contract, there are many elements of IOC of which training is one. We've met others but we haven't met training."
To date, only nine Tiger pilots have qualified as instructors, resulting in a shortage of trained Tiger aircrew, said Major General Tony Fraser, head of DMO's helicopter systems division.
"The program is two years behind at the moment but Australian Aerospace is working with us to find a way to increase the skill level of the pilots before they start Tiger training," Major General Fraser told The Weekend Australian.
The army plans to train about 50 aircrew on the Tiger, a six-tonne, mostly carbon-fibre, two-seat helicopter armed with a 30mm gun and 70mm rockets.
Despite problems with pilot training, Defence is pleased with the quality of the Tiger aircraft and an earlier engine problem had been rectified.
Labor's defence spokesman, Joel Fitzgibbon, said the latest delays were a legacy of a government unable to deliver on defence capability.
"This is just the latest in a long list of defence procurement stuff-ups which have cost the taxpayer dearly, and left large capability gaps," he said.
My English is very poor.So pl read it carefully yourself!!!
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AgreeOriginally posted by LazerLordz:If you guys have followed his postings, you will see that he only criticises Australia and nothing else.
I'm getting highly offended at the way he chooses to illustrate Australia, be it true situation or not. Would you like someone to take potshots at a country which you have ties to?
Go and google his handle.
Military Nuts is for those who has interest in the miltary world and wish to discuss or know more
It should never be used for those who wish to push their own agenda
Its akin to those who use the name of religion to make money out of others
But problem is moderators are not really around, i guess thats why he is taking the chance to troll here -
Actually what LN is trying to say here is, Australian Armed Forces are open up to public scrutiny
unlike SAF, which has to depend on courageous whistle blowers
so i think we all misunderstood LN's intention here
tsk, u all -
shall we worship a country which cant deliver defense
contract on time, on budget,almost every time,first time? -
how u noe Bionix or Primus wasnt delayed?Originally posted by lionnoisy:shall we worship a country which cant deliver defense
contract on time, on budget,almost every time,first time?
newspapers?
or you spying on the government?
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if there were serious problems,some news most likely leaked
here or there in nets.
There are many opposition party in SG,incl SAF ST,DSTA,dso,ETC !! -
god....are u here......answer me please........