Civilians caught in a War
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dead civilians caught in the war in former Yugoslavia.........
What should civilians do in a war? Run far far away........like Australia? -
I believe there is really very little civilians can do during wartime. I suppose the next best thing is to ensure that the wars your country fight are far far away from your homeland. Have a look at the United States, the lower 48 states haven't been attacked by a sovereign nation in the past 200 or so years.
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Civilian about to be executed , suspected as viet-cong...... -
Another civilian statistic in an African war...... -
I would not use Yugoslavia as an example as ethnic cleansing cover most region so the picture doesn't tell if those bullet in their body belong to the soldier in picture.Originally posted by Dr Who:
dead civilians caught in the war in former Yugoslavia.........
What should civilians do in a war? Run far far away........like Australia? -
the way conflict are happening clearly show that Just because a military walk over the city and does not represent unarm civilian surrender with it. It is almost impossible to tell resistant individual vs civilian.
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The person being shot isn't a suspected VC. He's a comfirmed VC officer.Originally posted by Dr Who:
Civilian about to be executed , suspected as viet-cong...... -
what a picture.Originally posted by fallin:The person being shot isn't a suspected VC. He's a comfirmed VC officer. -
Yes i believe this particular picture won some prizes and is famous during the Vietnam War era.Originally posted by beavan:what a picture.
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But its a mistake no doubt. The photographer later apologized to the shooter.Originally posted by tankee1981:Yes i believe this particular picture won some prizes and is famous during the Vietnam War era. -
Is summary execution allowed just because he's an enemy officer? Doesn't make sense at all, when that enemy is clearly of no danger.Originally posted by fallin:The person being shot isn't a suspected VC. He's a comfirmed VC officer. -
That picture signalled the beginning of the end for the Vietnam War. Sentiments got so bad when the public saw this picture and more anti-war rallies sprung up nationwide in the US.
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You ought to read the story behind it, that VC dude did some rather nasty personal things to the guy pulling the trigger, if I was the shooter, I am not sure if I would have been able to control myself back then.Originally posted by Si Geena:Is summary execution allowed just because he's an enemy officer? Doesn't make sense at all, when that enemy is clearly of no danger. -
I think the photo which turned american public opinion was this :
Friendly fire : Children burnt by Napalm bombs dropped by US planes -
Mind sharing? I only heard that he was part of an assasination squad.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:You ought to read the story behind it, that VC dude did some rather nasty personal things to the guy pulling the trigger, if I was the shooter, I am not sure if I would have been able to control myself back then. -
The other one was this :
Viet women and children civilians shot in cold blood by US troops........the troops even dared to kill in the presence of the Press..... -
In the US, troops even shot their own students who protested against the war........like Tienanmen.......
Students run for cover.......
Dead student at Kent State University.....also victim of Vietnam war half a world away...... -
These Chinese civilians were not killed in a war. They were run over by army tanks trying to break up a student protest at Tiananmen in Beijing in 1989.
Chinese leaders still refuse to talk openly about the Tiananmen Incident till today.....pui....
What happened? It started with stdents protesting against corruption:
protesting students
Army over-reacts by shooting and waging war on students and civilians............hundreds killed....... -
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:You ought to read the story behind it, that VC dude did some rather nasty personal things to the guy pulling the trigger, if I was the shooter, I am not sure if I would have been able to control myself back then.
WHAT?
What "nasty personal things"? Like slept with his wife etc?
The shooter had barely set eyes on the victim for more than one second before shooting him.
This shooting is not just a famous stills picture but also available as a film footage on most Vietnam War documentaries. We were shown this documentary during the initial part of recruit days.
Here's the story:
The shooter is a ARVN high-ranking officer. He's out on the streets/battle zone directing people while being filmed. He had just come direct from home because this was the Tet Offensive and the streets of Saigon was suddenly a battle zone. This may explain why he was armed with a small personal snub-nosed revolver.
A trooper drags the suspect to the officer and said that he is a VC saboteur. Without a single word, the officer drew his revolver and shoots the suspect in the temple.
All in a matter of 2 seconds without ceremony or questioning.
The VC suspect falls sideways down as blood spurts out of the entry wound.
The victim is NOT A CONFIRMED VC as far as most people were concerned- as he was never even questioned before being shot dead.
THAT's WHY, this picture helped turn public opinion against the war.
(Actually it was the film footage but a stills picture is easier to icon-ize.)
The Napalm Girl picture also helped turned public opinion against the war. Both pictures showed how much more harm US involvement is doing.
There was a story more than 10 years ago about the Napalm Girl and ARVN officer. They were both living in the US. I think the ARVN officer owned a restaurant. -
USA - big, prosperous & beautiful God given land of the free - they should live happily ever after rather than going thousands of kilometres to some God forsaken countries to kill & be killed.Originally posted by Dr Who:The other one was this :
Viet women and children civilians shot in cold blood by US troops........the troops even dared to kill in the presence of the Press.....
The picture shown was the My Lai massarce in the Vietnam war which caused millions of Vietnamese lives & about 58,000 US troops before the war ended. -
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watermelon seller......... you sure kenna real flame soon........like this guy hit by Israeli rocket in Lebanon. -
Since we're on the topic of American attrocities, ironically, the people that got it worst from the Yanks are Americans themselves. Do Native Americans and Sherman's march to the Sea ring a bell? Strangely enough, the Yanks treat foreigners nicer than their own people.
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WHAT?
What "nasty personal things"? Like slept with his wife etc?
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Actually, the guy who was being shot was a VietCong spy, and it was (and still is) perfectly legal under the Geneva Conventions to shoot such spies in wartime, which is why the photographer apologised to the shooter. -
Anyone watched the BBC Documentary called "kill em' all".. it's in youtube.
Long ago, I also started a tread of the Korean war, which this documentary is based on.
Now, these days, civilians caught in a war, aren't considered human at all.. If they are killed by US coalition, they are "Collateral Damage", "Accident", "mistake" or "human shields". When the other parties does it, under different circumstances, because they don't have tanks, AC, JDAMs or gunships, they are killing innocent.
Nowadays, reading newspapers are tricky, When you hear of IED& VIED going off killing civilians. The whole article basically describe, who is involved (suspicion is not important), the situation according to the press release by the occupier, how tragic fo them to target civilians, in other words, terrorist... to get you worked up. But, usually, near the end of the article.. came a very short sentence saying that the bomb was targeted at Iraqi or US soldiers... even added a distractor.."nearby". WTF difference, when US soldiers called in artillery, Air-strikes, tank fire and shoots up a village or residential areas.. just to get afew insurgents'terrorist... knocking of civilians.