Malaysian Tanks
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Yes, im sure that you will realize that it is a good assault aerial platform.
obviously u are having a crack or somethin
let me clarify
1) i always know apache is a good aircraft and i never belittle its capability in this thread.
2) the incident (ambush) did happen..so i ask if anyone have the detail on the ambush
3) the reason i ask is to know which is at fault, the heli or the tactic?
4) I AM NOT MY VI..HOW THE HECK CAN YOU SAY THAT I AM MY VI ...SINCE IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN THERE! -
Woah... chill out.
It was the tactics and the false-sense of invincibility the Yanks gained after the first Gulf War.
The Apaches are excellent attack Helos. I don't think anyone would question that. -
So far I have not heard any report concerning 70 Apaches in one single operation, the most famous was the one where 32 Apaches were ambushed IIRC, encountering small arms, RPGs and perhaps ZSU AAA.
All 32 except one were shot up, of the 31 , one went down and the rest managed to get back to base.
A few were seriously damaged and scrapped but majority were repaired and return to svc.
Well this case show how good the protection of the Apache ; here another example:In 2001, AH-64As went to war in Afghanistan with the 101st Aviation Regiment. They escorted Chinooks and Black Hawks and supported U.S. troops in contact with the enemy, operating from Baghram air base and forward arming and refueling points around the tortured country.
http://www.defensedaily.com/cgi/rw/show_mag.cgi?pub=rw&mon=0104&file=0104apache.htm
Seven AH-64As provided life-saving firepower for Americans in the fierce firefight around the Shah-e-Kot valley during Operation Anaconda last year. Four of the helicopters received heavy battle damage, including hits from rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs). The damaged aircraft still completed their missions and brought their crews home, and most were repaired quickly to return to the fight.
But the survivbility of the Apaches is not the reason that AH is selling like hot cakes now, but the lethality of the Apaches, it is estimated that Apaches were responsible for the destruction of estimated 800 vehicles which 500 were AFVs in Iraq.
With such a record, there were great demand of AHs after GW1, that is why the increase of sales of more Apaches, Tiger etc after that.
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obviously u are having a crack or somethin
haha..kiddo. having a crack or something? I did not realise you were enormously disturbed. I do hope you do not lose sleep over this. Yes, I am reassured that you are confident about the extraordinary capabilities of the Apache which is only natural.cheerios
let me clarify
1) i always know apache is a good aircraft and i never belittle its capability in this thread.
2) the incident (ambush) did happen..so i ask if anyone have the detail on the ambush
3) the reason i ask is to know which is at fault, the heli or the tactic?
4) I AM NOT MY VI..HOW THE HECK CAN YOU SAY THAT I AM MY VI ...SINCE IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN THERE! -
Hmm Gary, nice to see you are still around. I did recall reading that the RSAF wanted 30 helicopters so there is the probability that the RSAF might opt for a 2nd batch.
And that is why RSAF bought 20 Apaches. -
i wonder if the comanche technologies can be bought.... its a shame they shelved it
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GW1 was 12 years before that fight, the pilots who went in were a different lot from those in the first war, and yes they forgot their lessons or simply got overconfident, thinking that it was the simply the machine that made it so effective on the battlefield, and not a combination of machine and tatics.Originally posted by Shotgun:They learned from their mistake? I don't know if I could stomach this one. The previous doctrine they used back in '91 worked! They were using terrain for masking, and deployed the apaches into smaller hunter/killer packages that attacked from different directions. Variation of altitude and maximizing the awesome range of hellfires.
It was a mistake they didn't have to make if they had kept their heads level and plan their missions properly. The lessons were there before '91. They simply forgot. -
Waste of man and machines. Sigh.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:GW1 was 12 years before that fight, the pilots who went in were a different lot from those in the first war, and yes they forgot their lessons or simply got overconfident, thinking that it was the simply the machine that made it so effective on the battlefield, and not a combination of machine and tatics. -
Arthas79, let's face it. You f*cked up. Don't beat around the bush and try to make a comeback. Just admit it that you made a mistake.Originally posted by Arthas79:haha..kiddo. having a crack or something? I did not realise you were enormously disturbed. I do hope you do not lose sleep over this. Yes, I am reassured that you are confident about the extraordinary capabilities of the Apache which is only natural.cheerios
Obviously the forumer that you have been sniping at is "tankfanatic", not the "MyVi" that you've been calling him a couple of times now. Can't you see? Don't avoid the question.
You can't even identify who's comments you are attacking, and yet you are still desperately trying to defend yourself in this argument by making irrelevant statements such as the ones quoted above. It's weak, and we all know it. So just drop it. If you don't have the guts to appologize for your obvious mistake, the least you can do is just to stop the argument and don't try to leave a last comeback statement. -
Lol. I never said that that I did not misconstrue Tankfanatic as someone else. In fact, I left it as that. And who are you to come into the picture? And yes, it has been a pleasure in a way.
Arthas79, let's face it. You f*cked up. Don't beat around the bush and try to make a comeback. Just admit it that you made a mistake. -
Rotary A/C r easier 2 operate near e front line due 2 them not needing runway & r therefore faster 2 react 2 battlefield needs, less reaction time u see
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found this picture during NDP rehearsal for this coming 31st August
PT-91M...... 4 on the road and 2 on the transport truck -
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this is polish PT-91 for comparison taken during their 15th august parade
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Notice that there is a Leo2 MBT behind the PT-91.Originally posted by tankfanatic:this is polish PT-91 for comparison taken during their 15th august parade
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Wah lao. ur eyesight is fantastic man! I would have missed it out.Originally posted by tankee1981:Notice that there is a Leo2 MBT behind the PT-91. -
so they are keeping Leo as well. i notice in the picture there are 2.Originally posted by tankee1981:Notice that there is a Leo2 MBT behind the PT-91. -
Hmm....... so are the RMA hinting to the world that it has another MBT which is a LEO2? I think the Germans are very transparent with arms sales and sales of LEO2 definitely would be declared rather than hidden under the desk. Maybe the LEO2 was there for trials? That could be a Ukraine T-84 too, due to the boxy shape of the turret.
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no my friend..that is a picture taken in poland
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The pics is pt-91 and leo2 in polish army.Originally posted by equlus84:Hmm....... so are the RMA hinting to the world that it has another MBT which is a LEO2? I think the Germans are very transparent with arms sales and sales of LEO2 definitely would be declared rather than hidden under the desk. Maybe the LEO2 was there for trials? That could be a Ukraine T-84 too, due to the boxy shape of the turret. -
the PT-91M's gun is fully erect but the leo seems to be suffering from ED.
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OIC.........Paiseh Paiseh
LOL!!
Looks like Malaysia got a viagra tank, can erect one -
ha ha that is funny. thanks though
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Oh, the ED may not be a total disadvantage leh!Originally posted by observe:the PT-91M's gun is fully erect but the leo seems to be suffering from ED. 
Fighting from hull down positions, barrel depression enables the tank to engage targets more efficiently without exposing its hull.