Singapore must help malaysia if indonesia attacks
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If Indo prep for arms, Our north neighbour prep for arms, All of you, your HP will ring for mob also.
Dont be stupid, if they are going to war we will be mobilised into defence positions right away.
Why?
Who say it aint a bluff? I wayang you wayang, we fight then together eat the brainless bird by the side. So we must MOB.
Dont forget the National Day(or some other holiday) Incident when Indo Para into Southern Malaysia for an "exercise" that their generals "forget" to mention to us. We push button immediately leh.
Failure to follow the FPDA, will 100% must us unreliable(economic&political&military fallout with others) and what chance we have to use that when it's our turn instead?
So if there's an Indon Invasion on our Northern neighbour we will defend them. Else the first bombs on butterworth hit our men and crafts, the same thing will happen. -
you remind me of someone who said they will never see a second world war in their live time after having gone through the first...Originally posted by Short Ninja:Forgive me if I may sound a bit like rookie or stookie but Singapore going to war with Malaysia is like me winning the Bigsweep and for Indonesia to go to war with Malaysia will be like me winning the Singapore Bigsweep twice in a year.
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FPDA dont include east malaysia... why? because the brits, Aussies, kiwis and singapore are alot smarter then you think...Originally posted by tankfanatic:i think indo cant rant all it can about attacking M. They will only end up 17thousand new indonesia.
Full fledge war with a commonwealth country which is still closely friend of the united kindom..who is active members of the UN ..... which its army were better equip and wel fed... which still have defensive agreement to deter the very thing that the indo want to do...is very unlikely.
4 million willing to die? i dont think so........
M will definately get help from the FDPA (u can say what ever u want about FPDA... but i actually read the actual defence agreement) Aussies will definately come. M diplomatic front will definately wage diplomatic war in the UN... Indonesia will cried foul play....but who attack first? Indo will get the sanction..big time.
Singapore probably wont take side (a good desision) But will condemned Indo action in breaching the spirit of asean.
and dont think that indonesia is so incompetent that it cannot take out east malaysia given its resources, manpower and geographical proximity...
i would be truely be surprised if malaysia could even reinforce its forces in east malaysia given its present military strength and troop lift capability across indonesian waters.
while the indonesians could muster up to ten times the number of troops on kalimantan then malaysia have currently defending east malaysia covering a common land border stretching for nearly 1000 km long.... indonesia clearly have the upper hand...
oh... i read the actual FPDA agreedment too... trust me... east malaysia aint in it... i dont have the document with me yet...
the best i could find on the net is this for the moment...the FPDA only provides for the defence of Singapore and peninsular Malaysia (it
http://www.unitedcommonwealth.org/AUKMIN.pdf
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so wat if indonesia is corrupted? isit our place to judge them? the govt of singapore only concern is the welfare and benefits of singapore...Originally posted by crusader91:Dun be dumb.Indonesians are our enemy.Lee kwan yew's memoir states that some stupid indonesians want to invade singapore more than the malaysains who had the chance to do so when we dun even have an army at hat time and what's the point of allying with a country that is the most corrupted in the world?
We drop from first world to third world.
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here u have to differentiate between east and west malaysia... bombs in east malaysia wont hit us... its too far...Originally posted by Arapahoe:who ever fight MY will involved SG. U can't expect the round does not fall onto SG.
Oh sorry....it won't happen again!!
singapore do not have any obligation to defend east malaysia... in fact... we cant help even if we want to... anyone here in SAF wanna go fight the indonesians in east malaysia? -
that is if singapore joins the looser lah... that would be malaysia... but if join indonesia.. and maybe even persuade thailand to join in the gang slam on malaysia... dont win also difficult...Originally posted by ferryman2393:don't get tangle up in somebody else's fight. lest u don't have the stomach for it. whoever wins, u lose. -
there is really no need to threaten singapore... a simple message from indonesia president to join them to wack malaysia is all that is needed to convince the ever so calculative, self serving singapore govt to realise where the gold is.Originally posted by red_amoeba:actually my take is, Singapore won't take either side bcos it will be fatal. Neither side has the might to wipe out each other. Indonesia will be able to defend but not conquer. Where can the war beak out? The potential hotspots are in Kalimantan area where there is oil - and thats so ulu. So there might be some scuffles but not full scale war.
malaysia don't have the resources to invade and who wants Kalimantan - its all rainforest and hilly terrain. And Indonesia has neither the reosources to invade Sabah and Sarawak - their army is not that well equipped.
so, if a scuffle broke out in Kalimantan, Singapore can remain neutral and go to Asean and ask for peaceful settlement. And I don't think Jakarta will go whack KL, firstly, they are all muslims, and there is no such disparity between Sini and shites as in middle east. Moreover, Indonesia has more oil than Malaysia, so why go whack Malaysia? Its not as if Malaysia is doing so well. Moreover, geographically Malaysia is not the border neighbour of Indonesia (except Kalimantan). The akward neighbour is Singapore.
Hence whoever fight will probably threaten Singapore to let them use us as staging area or use our base else we get invaded. Ditto for Malaysia - but Singapore is not stupid either, once we have sensed this happening, you can bet there will be open mob and US will have park an aircraft carrier in Changi liao. -
I say this because of the Singapore overblown defense budget and looking at the SAF today.Also believing that Malaysia is more afraid of war and not the other way around.Originally posted by tripwire:you remind me of someone who said they will never see a second world war in their live time after having gone through the first... -
sideing with indonesia is probably like stalin signing peace treaty with germany prior to WW2...Originally posted by Arapahoe:I think politically siding with indo is like Stalin signing peace treaty with German. Do you really think that siding with Indo is going to last once Indo finish off MY. It does nobody any good if MY looses or win and become a super power or Indo become supper power.
Indo is huge but it is thin. its fragment. I do not believe it can withstand a political fallout as u can see we are all worry that its has so many ethnic group that is going independent. it faces Aus from the south, it face MY who is going to grad the resources. Phil disputed island.
the bottom line is - "Side" no one if you need to side than stick with MY, commonweath states there are benefit that comes with the membership.
FPDA.
Learn from chinese history of the 7 warring states who has the symbios relationship.
but helping malaysia against indonesia is way too unrealistic for any pragmatic singapore govt....
as LKY also said... most singaporeans didnt even realise that indonesia territory stretch as long east to west as american east coast to west coast. -
i am sure that malaysia are not afraid of war... because they never been in one eversince they gained independence.Originally posted by Short Ninja:I say this because of the Singapore overblown defense budget and looking at the SAF today.Also believing that Malaysia is more afraid of war and not the other way around. same for us... -
first you must understand that FPDA is non-committal... its a consultative agreedment... can talk ... but no guaranteed to commit forces.Originally posted by CM06:...
If Indo prep for arms, Our north neighbour prep for arms, All of you, your HP will ring for mob also.
Dont be stupid, if they are going to war we will be mobilised into defence positions right away.
Why?
Who say it aint a bluff? I wayang you wayang, we fight then together eat the brainless bird by the side. So we must MOB.
Dont forget the National Day(or some other holiday) Incident when Indo Para into Southern Malaysia for an "exercise" that their generals "forget" to mention to us. We push button immediately leh.
Failure to follow the FPDA, will 100% must us unreliable(economic&political&military fallout with others) and what chance we have to use that when it's our turn instead?
So if there's an Indon Invasion on our Northern neighbour we will defend them. Else the first bombs on butterworth hit our men and crafts, the same thing will happen.
so... if malaysia wanna hold a FPDA talk session in the event of an indonesian invasion... i am sure we will oblige... so will the other parties...
but if malaysia want us to commit our forces to save their butt... them we must ask them to point out where exactly in the FPDA agreedment was it spelt out in black and white we must help....
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If like than then...Originally posted by tripwire:i am sure that malaysia are not afraid of war... because they never been in one eversince they gained independence. 
Malaysia an Independant country is afraid of losing her freedom again.On the other hand,SIngapore didnt want Independence and so they are not afraid come what may.....anything oso can...Bring it on! Kepala butoh-lah! 
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No attack or siding for us.SAF,in fact, can only defend,not attack.Our airfields could be in range of the malaysia artillary and before our planes can even fly to a suitable atitude,they could already be shot down by some missiles hidden in the jungles.What's more, i wake up everyday and can easily see the mountain of malaysia(live in cck btw) and i feel that they have more visual fields on us than we had on our pathetic bukit timah hill (still useful though).
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Hmm... sounds to me TRIPWIRE is an Indonesian hahaha
don't sound feasible... if Indonesia really tat strong, it wouldn't been a poor country. and mind you please study Malaysia Defense system and militarty strength before making the conclusion.
I don't think Indonesia can win Malaysia military resource (not only the army quantity but the technologies itself)... In this generation u still talk about population? Ppl don't fight with sword and stick anymore... Do you know what is military technologies.
Even singapore military defence technology is so much high tech.
And do take note also malaysia is the chairman for OIC and member of many unified bodies
Please study the history. When malaysia declare independence, indonesia did not succeed in it attempt when attacking malaysia.. it will be same as now. -
You damn idiot !!! you think everything so simple. Artilliry can hit the airfield, maybe destory a few planes , and hit some building and runway. Within the next hour our runway all repaired and new planes will hit them.Originally posted by crusader91:No attack or siding for us.SAF,in fact, can only defend,not attack.Our airfields could be in range of the malaysia artillary and before our planes can even fly to a suitable atitude,they could already be shot down by some missiles hidden in the jungles.What's more, i wake up everyday and can easily see the mountain of malaysia(live in cck btw) and i feel that they have more visual fields on us than we had on our pathetic bukit timah hill (still useful though).
even if you put missiles in mountains, trust me they will not even be able to target out planes !!! -
FPDA dont include east malaysia... why? because the brits, Aussies, kiwis and singapore are alot smarter then you think...
lol extremely funny! during the confrontation indonesian infitrate east malaysia and from that the bulk of commonwealth soldier were in east malaysia defending it. Even then the indonesia did not pour 4 million men into east malaysia nor the peninsular.
so your implying that east malaysia doesnt count in FPDA is funny. Not to mention that is the most probable area that the indon will invade! excluding it is dumb!
FPDA is to defend malaysia and singapore from the agression of indonesia. Nowadays they amend the agreement here and there so that it would always be relevant. Why? because the threat from indonesia towards singapore and malaysia were very real.
anyway ever heard of the 1st SIR incident during the confrontation? -
Indonesia may think they have 4 million people to sarifice. But it is a war that will only result in their lost.Originally posted by vivasg:Hmm... sounds to me TRIPWIRE is an Indonesian hahaha
don't sound feasible... if Indonesia really tat strong, it wouldn't been a poor country. and mind you please study Malaysia Defense system and militarty strength before making the conclusion.
I don't think Indonesia can win Malaysia military resource (not only the army quantity but the technologies itself)... In this generation u still talk about population? Ppl don't fight with sword and stick anymore... Do you know what is military technologies.
Even singapore military defence technology is so much high tech.
And do take note also malaysia is the chairman for OIC and member of many unified bodies
Please study the history. When malaysia declare independence, indonesia did not succeed in it attempt when attacking malaysia.. it will be same as now.
Indnoesia may have lots of people, even soldiers, but equipment wise they are lacking. They may be huge in land and people, but big does also have disadvantages like having a big area to guard,which scrateh their defence all over thinly and easy for enemy to attack back also.
I would say Malaysia & indonesia arm force are equal in power, with Malayisa having advantage in air, and indonesia having adv in more ground troops. Navy is equal as malaysia have better fleet but indo have submarines.
The war will never be full fight out, as if indonesia want to be the agressor, it will not just face malaysia, but also a UN world wide force .... US, France, UK, Japan, China, Singapore ....... +++++ Why, face the fact if they are so extreme to send 4 million idiots to start a war, the big countries will not sit there and let them affect the 2 main trade routes between east and west and will never even let them take control of it. Letting Indonesia control the 2 most important ship route between east and west is totally unacceptable. Western power will want to safe guard their interest in the east, and not let the 2 straits totally fall into indonesia hands and same apply to the Eastern big power also.
With interest so great, UN will come in play and if indonesia does not complies, then it will indeed face a force marching that is greater then the desert storm !!! As they now face not just western forces but also eastern force. -
Maybe its a matter of who throw the first upper cut punch first.The MAF artillery raining missiles on Singapore casuing massive damage or the RSAF fighter planes doing the 'precision bombings and crippling the MAF.Too troublesome to worry about that so peace to everyone.Originally posted by storywolf:You damn idiot !!! you think everything so simple. Artilliry can hit the airfield, maybe destory a few planes , and hit some building and runway. Within the next hour our runway all repaired and new planes will hit them.
even if you put missiles in mountains, trust me they will not even be able to target out planes !!! -
Oi dont drift away from topic.
-->Short ninja/crusader91 pls take your "e-peen contest" elsewhere
Our northern neighbour vs SG thread is somewhere else please go necro or something. It wont happen. It's stupid if it happens. Alot of men on both sides will die for absolutely nothing. There's no way we can effective govern an inch of soil across the straits and neither country can withstand the political disheaval from it. Please dont talk about "pwning" each other. It's a stupid term you learn from playing too many pc-era games. When you see blood and body parts flying and splattering on you, you wont even find your dick and balls in your wet underwear.
Back on topic:
FPDA may not be commital. Doesnt mean that we wont commit at all personally, i would be surprise if we dont commit either. Once we start, the Aussies and Kiwis will be able to broaden the conflict by opening up a front on the far east as well. We are talking about the largest regional naval projection power and long range strike aircraft from the kangaroos and koala bears.
Please, dont be silly, letting Indon take over our northern neighbour will result in them taking over us 10 years later while in the mean time we have lots of insurgents and "terrorists" wrecking havoc on our day-to-day lives and economy. So we will eventually fall into chaos and "assisted in peace control"
We may not defend East M, but it definitely wont stop us from pouring our troops north to secure borders while reliefing and allowing more W M troops to ship-lift across to E M. We wont die for their forest/oil palms over there but i'm sure we will gladly help send them over to die for theirs.
Not to mention, if we help them win ...$$$/economic concessions will pour in for our help. Oh yeah, You think Brunei will take this lying down? -
take out indonesia first with the help of malaysia. than take out malaysia.
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I think the only thing SG will do is not to take sides, but to take the matter into a way where Singapore is best at, talking. We will ask them to settle this in a much more black & white or a conference method instead of sending someone's father or son to die in war. If Indo decides to attack Malaysia, we will most likely just discourage their actions etc.
Of course, if a war do break out, the one thing that will be sure to happen is that man will be mob into defense position in case of any happenings. -
well........1st thing we should do to prevent a war with Indo is..........tada!!.......employ more Indo maids.....treat them maids well.....word spreads that Sg treat Indo countrymen/women well ...Indo government will luv Sg so much [cash cow ] that they won't wanna hurt us Sg....hehehe....as for Malaysia....well....leave em be to fight their own war with Indo. One thing for sure........whether fight Indo or Malaysia....Sg cannot benefit in the long run. We just mobilise to ensure the fightin does'nt spill onto our beloved Sg.
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SAF already knows that their is alway they could be hit by the first strike. So everything is built and done in a way that most of our stuff will survive the 1st strike to kick ass back.Originally posted by Short Ninja:Maybe its a matter of who throw the first upper cut punch first.The MAF artillery raining missiles on Singapore casuing massive damage or the RSAF fighter planes doing the 'precision bombings and crippling the MAF.Too troublesome to worry about that so peace to everyone. -
aiyoh... dont change the topic... you wanna start something new on singapore air force... start a new thread... lah...Originally posted by crusader91:No attack or siding for us.SAF,in fact, can only defend,not attack.Our airfields could be in range of the malaysia artillary and before our planes can even fly to a suitable atitude,they could already be shot down by some missiles hidden in the jungles.What's more, i wake up everyday and can easily see the mountain of malaysia(live in cck btw) and i feel that they have more visual fields on us than we had on our pathetic bukit timah hill (still useful though). -
limpeh support indonesia against malaysia... you not shiok ar? must anyone who speaks for indonesia must be indonesian meh??Originally posted by vivasg:Hmm... sounds to me TRIPWIRE is an Indonesian hahaha
don't sound feasible... if Indonesia really tat strong, it wouldn't been a poor country. and mind you please study Malaysia Defense system and militarty strength before making the conclusion.
I don't think Indonesia can win Malaysia military resource (not only the army quantity but the technologies itself)... In this generation u still talk about population? Ppl don't fight with sword and stick anymore... Do you know what is military technologies.
Even singapore military defence technology is so much high tech.
And do take note also malaysia is the chairman for OIC and member of many unified bodies
Please study the history. When malaysia declare independence, indonesia did not succeed in it attempt when attacking malaysia.. it will be same as now.
malaysia no power one lah... east malaysia only got one division consisting of 3 brigade, HQ based in kuching... plus some other guniang border patrol....
like that also wanna tong indonesia... you think malaysian soldier pah beh si.. isit?
and if you think technologies really make such a big difference... singapore wont even need NS lor... stupid leh.... you know the african lion? lion very powerful.... but against a bunch of hyena... also must lan lan become hyena dinner main course...
OIC simi lai eh?? indonesia got 200 million muslim leh... you think which kuku muslim tua gi wanna challenge indonesia?
during konfrontasi.... indonesia give ang mo face only... you think your puny blur blur MAF that tua gi ah??
use so much broken hokkien in one post... damn siong leh...