Leopard 2A4 MBT in town
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In times of war..unless the killing is done against the geneva conventions...it's not considered murder...u know of many? how many have you seen doing exactly what u have claimed? sometimes it's easier to say..killing another fellow human being might be easy in theory..but it's definetly not that easy to executeOriginally posted by ^Delta^:So be it if you feel its all wayang.
It would be wise not to discredit the SAF like that.
I do know people in the army who would not bat an eyelid to ruthlessly murder any invader who trespasses our land. Many Singaporeans I know can be frighteningly merciless when it comes to defending their property, family and way of life. -
The way he described it...Originally posted by ^Delta^:So be it if you feel its all wayang.
It would be wise not to discredit the SAF like that.
I do know people in the army who would not bat an eyelid to ruthlessly murder any invader who trespasses our land. Many Singaporeans I know can be frighteningly merciless when it comes to defending their property, family and way of life.
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Besides civilian transporters, the SAF definitely have its own organic capability to move MLC 60 vehicles around. Besides the Tempest, we have had the CET and the AVLB around for a long time. We can move them around in Singapore and in the possible areas of operations. Our field engineers are all trained to build class 60 bridges, our amphibious engineers have the capabilities to transport class 60 vehicles across water for many years.Originally posted by gary1910:We do have civilian transporter that capable of hauling MLC 60 vehicle, that I know for sure, not sure whether SAF has such vehicle as well.
the introduction of MBT requires significant changes to our military doctrines, and required support to enhance its capability, mobility and survivability. No country would sits around with these problem unsolved, but I think in this case the SAF solved the problem before we brought in the vehicles. -
http://www.yewchoon.com.sg/1history.htm
Year 1975 proved to be a key milestone for the company. In year 1975, the company name was changed to Yew Choon Pte. Ltd. In the same year, the company tendered and was awarded a contract by Singapore Ministry of Defense, a job which involved the transport of tanks weighing up to 60 tons, a considerable weight at that time. -
Erm *blink blink*Originally posted by sgdiehard:Besides civilian transporters, the SAF definitely have its own organic capability to move MLC 60 vehicles around. Besides the Tempest, we have had the CET and the AVLB around for a long time. We can move them around in Singapore and in the possible areas of operations. Our field engineers are all trained to build class 60 bridges, our amphibious engineers have the capabilities to transport class 60 vehicles across water for many years.
the introduction of MBT requires significant changes to our military doctrines, and required support to enhance its capability, mobility and survivability. No country would sits around with these problem unsolved, but I think in this case the SAF solved the problem before we brought in the vehicles.
I suppose so. Seen pictures of CEVs floating b4... -
hey i ve seen a big truck carying this huge oil refinary stuff..how heavy is that thing? is it as heavy as the tank? just curious
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the japanes can get their hands on the leopard tech and build it by them selves...why didnt we did the same?
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cos we aren't japaneseOriginally posted by tankfanatic:the japanes can get their hands on the leopard tech and build it by them selves...why didnt we did the same? -
At US$6.6m per Type 90, I hope you're willing to foot the bill if we do the sameOriginally posted by tankfanatic:the japanes can get their hands on the leopard tech and build it by them selves...why didnt we did the same?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Our Leopards come with such snorkels?
[b]Poland 2A4 river crossing technique
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x2, it has been transported on our roads already, by civillian trailer. lets just say my unit accidentally ran into them while coming back from an exerciseOriginally posted by LazerLordz:I get your gist.
What I meant is that the Leo has been transported on our roads already. Whether they have already procured an entire new HETS is another issue altogether.
but they were covered in canvas as usual. -
It is becos it is cheaper than building a new one, Germany warstock 118 Leo 2 fire sales to Chile is estimated to be USD100m and that include training and ammo, so the actual per unit cost is less than USD1m!!!Originally posted by tankfanatic:the japanes can get their hands on the leopard tech and build it by them selves...why didnt we did the same?
Heck at that price, why spend money on building a brand new tank plus the the cost starting a production line for just over 132 tanks is simply not worth it. -
We should quickly develop a upgrade package so that we can sell this service to other people who are queueing up to buy all these surplus Leos.
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Do tanks carry the snorkel at all times?
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no lar..dun carry the snorkel at all times...else even kena one 5.56mm round also gone liao...sure leak...LOL
Anyway...civilian transporters can carry hundreds of tons...those concrete slabs and stuff...is in hundreds of tons....concrete bridge sections even...wads a 60-ton tank?
Anyway, in Ops...u think really need civilian transporter?? come on lar...drive on road liao...
Civilian transporter is cause its just too intimidating, loud and scary to drive these monsters on public roads...its dangerous.. one accident can crush and flatten a car. -
Special Ops is right, it is not practical to use snorkel. Imagine one whole platoon of tanks sitting there in the middle of the night setting up snorkel which take 15mins to setup .... setting pasar malam is it ? the river bed may be mud, may get badly struck .Originally posted by specialOps:no lar..dun carry the snorkel at all times...else even kena one 5.56mm round also gone liao...sure leak...LOL
Anyway...civilian transporters can carry hundreds of tons...those concrete slabs and stuff...is in hundreds of tons....concrete bridge sections even...wads a 60-ton tank?
Anyway, in Ops...u think really need civilian transporter?? come on lar...drive on road liao...
Civilian transporter is cause its just too intimidating, loud and scary to drive these monsters on public roads...its dangerous.. one accident can crush and flatten a car.
That why usually well developed armour formation have their bridging engineer element, the armour would have recce on the route they taking, they would have put out infantry to secure the bridging site and send in the engineer to bridge the gap using bridge or floating bridge .... the timing is work out down to exact .... the tanks will just reach it when the bridge is complete and they cross immediately . The laying down of the bridge is faster then setting up snorkel.
The tanks in real war time will move on their own. The reason like Specialops say is it is hard to drive a tanks down a road with all vehicles around for safetly reason. Next is to protect the road, the track will damage the road. -
snorkel is an option..maybe not a good one but still an option
