Hermes - 450 in SAF
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Hermes 450 (H-450) UAV to complement the RSAF's current fleet of Searcher UAVs
Lieutenant-Colonel Tan Yik (right), Commanding Officer of 116 Squadron, briefs Mr Teo on the H-450.The Hermes 450 is a medium size UAV supplying real time intelligence data to ground forces. The UAV (length 6.1 m, wingspan 10.5 m and weight 450 kg), was designed for tactical long endurance missions.
With multi-payload capability (150 kg, 300 L, 1.6 kVA) the Hermes 450 is effective for ISTAR, SIGINT, communication relays and other missions for Division to Corps levels.
It is powered by a 52 hp rotary UEL engine that provides a maximum speed of 95 KTAS@SL, altitude over 18 kft, endurance over 20 hours.
The Hermes 450 features fully redundant avionics, fully autonomous flight, LOS and/or satellite communication data link with a fully composite structure that is highly mobile and easily deployed.
It shares a common Ground Control Station, data link and avionics with the entire Hermes family.
below:from zao bao
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A good progress from the aging Searchers.
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Sorry.... but is it able to carry weapons like these UAV in the US ?? Anyone knows ?? Cause we all know how SAF like to 'Upgrade' their weapons....
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Our UAVs development is still in the teenage stage. Looking at the structure, recon ok, but combat 'bay ke' leh. Give them another few years, then you may get jet propelled UAVs with combat capabilities.
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Maybe now can just put 1 small missle lor
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So can this UAV carry things like ATGM? So i assume no more global hawks or things on that line for SAF? Last time I saw ST got this so call skyblade4, also a rail lauched UAV, dunno why RSAF didnt consider it
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It is very likely that we possess UCAV in the future as we already possess unmanned armed watercraft.Originally posted by hloc:Sorry.... but is it able to carry weapons like these UAV in the US ?? Anyone knows ?? Cause we all know how SAF like to 'Upgrade' their weapons.... 
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our UAV can only "see" the enemies but cannot "touch" them..Originally posted by equlus84:So can this UAV carry things like ATGM? So i assume no more global hawks or things on that line for SAF? Last time I saw ST got this so call skyblade4, also a rail lauched UAV, dunno why RSAF didnt consider it
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It's the smaller of 3 newer Israeli UAVs I think. There is a larger one, the Hermes 1500 I think, but that needs a full runway. This one I think can be rocket launched from a transport on the battlefield.
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I think Global Hawk is the way to go...... a UAV which could not only do recon, but take out a target when needed too. Well, knowing SAF..... in a few years time , we could have our own 'Global Hawk'
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Global Hawk is designed for long range, long endurance survellance.
It is not designed to take pylons.
Ever wonder why it has such a large bulbous nose? That is the satellite uplink dish pointing backwards to reduce RCS. They go to such an extend to keep it low profile and bolt on 2 Hellfires?
I think not.
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During the recent Lebanon war, IDF is suspected to has fired missiles( Spike ER?) using their UAV against enemy targets.
The most likely suspect is the Hermes 450 as reported here:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw082106p2.xmlBut toward the end of the conflict, few missiles were fired from UAVs during the daytime, and they were spotted by ground observers. A least one of them claimed he was in a convoy of civilian automobiles that was attacked.
As recently as June, Israeli aerospace industry officials said the decision had not been made to arm the UAVs for political reasons. IAF officials simply would not discuss the capability. Israeli industry officials said the first UAV designed to carry and launch missiles would not be rolled out for another 18 months. That may be true in a strict sense, but it's now known that an "already-developed [UAV] capability," was adapted to fire missiles in this latest conflict, says an Israeli official with insight into the effort.
Details are still sketchy about which aircraft was used. Several officials in Israel say the armed UAVs are not Israel Aircraft Industries' Heron, which just became operational in July, nor the longer-serving Searcher II. The only other operational UAV deemed big enough to carry an effective weapons payload is Elbit's Hermes 450. The Hermes 450 was seen in flight in 2002 at Palmachim AB, where it was being operated by 200 (UAV) squadron. The IAF has always been guarded about the UAV's mission and status. The military said it was only in a test program, but aerospace industry officials contradicted them, saying that the Hermes 450 was already flying operational missions.......................
To answer those needs, Rafael developed the Spike-ER (extended-range) missile, with a range of about 5 mi., that offers a dual electro-optical and infrared seeker to help locate concealed targets (AW&ST June 16, 2003, p. 151). Another advantage over the Hellfire is that the Spike can be flown into the target by an operator, or it can be operated as a fire-and-forget system.
In fact, Rafael has devised several air-launched configurations for Spike-ER, including a four-pack launcher for use on such attack helicopters as the Cobra, but also two-pack versions for smaller rotorcraft. A Hermes 450, with a payload capacity of around 150 kg. (330 lb.), is able to carry two missiles with launcher equipment.............. -
Won't be surprised if the Israelis went around assassinating people with these UAVs. These guys are in the business of assassinations.
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Hermes 450,i think,is an interim vehicle for SG's MAV-Multirole Autonomous Vehicle
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
No, both of them are for separate purpose !
Hermes 450,i think,is an interim vehicle for [b]SG's MAV-Multirole Autonomous Vehicle
http://www.stengg.com/media/aerospacecorp.wmv
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Hermes 450 is build for slow and long range endurance with long loitering. This it make a very good vehicle for monitoring and searching for mobile targets and designating them and taking them out.
While the MAV is for fast in and out, as its type of engine will burn up fuel too fast, it is not for loitering and range will be more less then hermes ! It is more for quick recon of a place . Or for weapon delivery to fix target. -
Let wait for the airforce open house next year to have a closer look...
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Hmm..... really? I thought during the Afghan war a predator carrying a hell fire missile was the instrument involved in the killing of Taliban leader travelling in a pick-up. That UAV is propeller based. So SG's MAV is jet engined based? If so why not buy those J52 or even F404 engines from the skyhawks for this purpose? I think this MAV idea is good as it reminds me of the WW2 German comet fighter. Use it as a cheap means to conduct localised anti-armour operations,
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More likely a turbofan engine. A variant of a jet engine I believe.Originally posted by equlus84:Hmm..... really? I thought during the Afghan war a predator carrying a hell fire missile was the instrument involved in the killing of Taliban leader travelling in a pick-up. That UAV is propeller based. So SG's MAV is jet engined based? If so why not buy those J52 or even F404 engines from the skyhawks for this purpose? I think this MAV idea is good as it reminds me of the WW2 German comet fighter. Use it as a cheap means to conduct localised anti-armour operations, -
2.I dunt know MAV is the LALEE here talking about:Originally posted by storywolf:No, both of them are for separate purpose !
Hermes 450 is build for slow and long range endurance with long loitering. This it make a very good vehicle for monitoring and searching for mobile targets and designating them and taking them out.
While the MAV is for fast in and out, as its type of engine will burn up fuel too fast, it is not for loitering and range will be more less then hermes ! It is more for quick recon of a place . Or for weapon delivery to fix target.- Defence engineers have also been working on the Lalee, or low altitude long-enduring endurance, a large aircraft that can fly unmanned or be piloted manually.
--http://www.dsta.gov.sg/home/DisplayPage/ContentPage10.asp?id=2506
It is designed to fly at around 18,000m, above the airways and below satellite surveillance systems, possibly serving as an integrated airborne surveillance and communications system, to provide continuous coverage over a large area.
3.Pl serach LALEE and u you find more.... -
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/05/30/214323/singapore-to-acquire-a-number-of-uavs.html
DATE:30/05/07
SOURCE:Flightglobal.com
Singapore to acquire a number of UAVs
By Peter La Franchi
Singapore is to acquire an unspecified number of Hermes 450 unmanned air vehicles (UAV) to operate alongside its existing fleet of Israel Aerospace Industries Searcher aircraft.
Announcing the acquisition plan, defence minister, Teo Chee Hean, said that the new type would be phased in “over the next few years”.
The purchase will make Singapore the third declared Hermes 450 buyer. The type is in service with the Israeli Air Force and is on order for the British Army.
Undeclared operators include Botswana, which has had a small number of aircraft in service for at least two years.
“The introduction of the Hermes 450 UAV offers an enhancement to our battlefield surveillance capability with its extended endurance, advanced avionics and sensors” says Teo.
The announcement, made 25 May, came in parallel to Singapore formally standing up its new UAV command with personnel drawn from the army, navy and air force units.
A Hermes 450 was displayed at that ceremony however it remains unclear whether this was a demonstrator system or an initial delivery article.
“The UAV command has been constituted as an integrated entity,” Teo said.
“This allows UAV-borne capabilities to be effectively integrated and optimised for use when needed by forces from all the three services.
"The UAV command covers the whole of the Singaporean armed forces.”
The Hermes 450 is a medium size UAV used to supply real time intelligence data to ground forces. The UAV is 6.1m long and has a wingspan of 10.5m.
Maximum take-off weight is 450kg. It is powered by a 52hp rotary UEL engine that provides a maximum speed of 95 KTAS and it has an endurance of over 20h. -
.....The Hermes 450 is currently operated by Israel, by the UK as its new “Watchkeeper WK450” system, and by the USA’s Department of Homeland Security Border Patrol. It is also the USA’s Joint UAV Joint Test and Evaluation (JUAV-JT&E) platform......
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This good news! We already have the Spike missiles and all we need to do is to integrate these missiles on to the Hermes with some assistane from IAI, then we will have our own UCAV!Originally posted by gary1910:During the recent Lebanon war, IDF is suspected to has fired missiles( Spike ER?) using their UAV against enemy targets.
The most likely suspect is the Hermes 450 as reported here:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw082106p2.xml -
The system of sensors which we are building is falling nicely in place.
Surveillance/spy satelites in space
At the top, LALEE -> Or is it Globalhawk now? The United States would like to sell it to us unilaterally?
The Phalcon-equipped Gulfstreams with the ASIS planes forming the formidable Pioneer system.
The Hermes 450
The searcher UAVs
And many more other indigeneous UAVS supporting or working with these platforms like the Skyblade UAVs, etc operating at various altitudes. It`s an enormous undertaking. No other SEA country comes close to us in this field.
And not forgetting the UCAVs which we are definitely looking into, like the MAV-1, possibly weapon equipped Hermes. -
The Hermes 450 (H-450) is a single engine system with advanced composite structure and optimised aerodynamics. It has a long endurance to sustain operations and an improved detection capability. It is also equiped with communication systems that can transfer imagery in real time to ground control stations
Hermes 450 (H-450)
Performance:
Cruise Speed: 70 kts
Max Endurance: > 14 hrs
Max Range: 100 km
Payload Capability: Electro-Optical / Infrared & Laser Designator