New Stanag M16 Magazine built by Magpul
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This magazine is indestructable... the company put out this mag thru all kind of test including putting a truck on top of it and spin around .... We should have such magazines..
also checkout the video in Utube ! they compare it to the reguar Aluminium GI magazines, HK magazines, Canadian thermold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFXcOOb4jc
for those lucky ones that owns AR15 and M4 can buy this I heard when it iwill be $14 ... half the price of those HK mags that they want $40 for it! Damn HK!
DaveC!
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Pretty impressive!
I wonder if they make those mags in 10 and 20-round versions, as I seldom if ever use 30-round mags in my ARs. -
Care to share why you don't frequently use 30 rounders? Haha...isn't it what everybody wants big mag...high cap.Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:Pretty impressive!
I wonder if they make those mags in 10 and 20-round versions, as I seldom if ever use 30-round mags in my ARs. -
Well, most of the time, I shoot my ARs off a benchrest, and I like to hunker down and keep the rifle as close to the surface of the rest as possible for stability. A 30-round magazine is too tall, and forces me to raise the rifle higher off the rest.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Care to share why you don't frequently use 30 rounders? Haha...isn't it what everybody wants big mag...high cap.
In fact, for slow-fire, precision target work, I prefer to use a 5-round magazine as it hardly protrudes from the bottom of the magwell. -
Leisure vs life-death situation different lah.
The mag could be the solution for our Ultimax too....maybe... -
In the Vietnam War, the frequent cause of failure of the M16, was in fact magazine failure.
Rounds loaded into the magazine and kept there for prolong period causes the spring to stick, and this results in uneven feed.
Another reason for magazine failure in that era, using magazines as a bottle cap opener.
That aside, the quality of a magazine is not dependent on the strength of the casing. -
more like the spring.Originally posted by mancha:In the Vietnam War, the frequent cause of failure of the M16, was in fact magazine failure.
Rounds loaded into the magazine and kept there for prolong period causes the spring to stick, and this results in uneven feed.
Another reason for magazine failure in that era, using magazines as a bottle cap opener.
That aside, the quality of a magazine is not dependent on the strength of the casing. -
davec is that your mag?
14 dollars is impressively cheap for such a mighty mag!
and the construction is strikingly similar to the AUG's magazine as well, structure and construction wise ^^. -
I agree with you MG! I use lots of 20 rders than the longer 30 rders unless doing 3 gun matches or CQB .... the 20 rder do not stick out and get in the way on the bench!.. no 20 rders yet ! so far only 30 rders! !
NO! those Magpul mags are not out yet! they are better made than the Steyr Mags! and for that price it is justway kool!
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Magpul P mag is now available in most of the distibutor! I am getting a few to try out! will let you guys know how it perform over our normal STanag mags and the ultra expensive HK made Stanag mags!
$14.29!
DaveC
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My reservist 2PDF infantry unit were issued with 20rd mags ONLY for M16 users and 30rd for SAW gunners.
We were all very curious as none of us had ever used a 20rd mag before. Even the brand new webbing issued to us were made just for the 20rd mags. This webbing is the IDF-type and is still in current use (pending replacement by the vest). Although yours would hold 30rd mags.
I found this to be really puzzling cos if someone handed you a bunch of 30rd mags you would have no way to store them as the pouches are shallow.
When I asked a WO why we were issued 20rd mags and SBO, he gave an answer typical of people of his (low) calibre: "because SAF got many".
I don't know if this is because SAF felt we do defence only so 20rd is better in a sandbagged trench or something. But we only did one defence ex and all the other time we did FIBUA and FOFO eventually trial for V200 mounted.
Anyone has any opinions why we were given 20rd mags?
Don't say because we are cannon fodder....although that's probably true...
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Hmmm! 20 rders! those are pretty old ! i remeber seeing them when I was with 5 SIR and they have a few of those COlt made 20 rders ! are those COlt mags you are issued???
I thought our SBO all take 30 rders and not 20 rders?? I am in the SAF circa late 80s! when was your time MOca!??
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the SBO i got from D&G soldiertalk holds 30 rounders perfectly...Originally posted by davechng:Hmmm! 20 rders! those are pretty old ! i remeber seeing them when I was with 5 SIR and they have a few of those COlt made 20 rders ! are those COlt mags you are issued???
I thought our SBO all take 30 rders and not 20 rders?? I am in the SAF circa late 80s! when was your time MOca!??
DaveC
how new is your SBO? i bought mine ard 1 year ago.
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I was fulltime NS from 83 to 85. Brigade S2 branch (Int).Originally posted by davechng:Hmmm! 20 rders! those are pretty old ! i remeber seeing them when I was with 5 SIR and they have a few of those COlt made 20 rders ! are those COlt mags you are issued???
I thought our SBO all take 30 rders and not 20 rders?? I am in the SAF circa late 80s! when was your time MOca!??
DaveC
Then during first 3 reservist ICT I was in a Guards Bn S2 branch.
So from Recruit till the first 3 ICT, I was using 30rd mags.
And then when I got posted to company line of a 2PDF unit as a PL runner, that's when we started using 20rd mags. That's also when SAF started giving out personal equipment for permanent use, i.e. can take home one.
And the SBO was the new type, but with 20rd pouches! We were all very bewildered when we first got them.
However, the SAW gunners had to exchange their brand new 20rd SBO for second-hand 30rd SBO.
Bloody mess, if you ask me.
And if I remember correctly, magazine interchangeability with SAW gunner gone as 20rd mags don't have the extra 2 holes.
Are the 20rd mags all old and made by Colt? I don't remember. My impression was that some of them were relatively new. -
OK, I've posted a pic of my SBO (modelled by my GF 2 years ago) on the right, next to that of a pic of a Cdo I found on the net for comparison.
From the pics, it is hard to tell that my SBO on the right is a 20rd.
But the empty space on the webbing where I drew a red box, is where the longer 30rd pounch would reach down to.
The SBO is in SG and I'm in SH so I don't remember correctly, but I think it also had less pouches for grenades than the standard 30rd SBO. As you can see the 30rd mag arrangement is mag pouch, grenade pouch, mag pouch on each side. Mine was like 3 x mag pouches on the left side and 2 x mag pouches plus 2 x grenade pouches on the right.
My deduction was that originally 2PDF was to be strictly coastal defence. Where firing the weapon from a sandbagged position with a 20rd mag would be perfect.
But every ICT we were training for FIBUA and FOFO assault. Only did one defence ex. But all our live firings were still conducted towards the sea against amphibious landings.
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Maybe they just throw some old stocks at u guys lor.Originally posted by moca:OK, I've posted a pic of my SBO (modelled by my GF 2 years ago) on the right, next to that of a pic of a Cdo I found on the net for comparison.
From the pics, it is hard to tell that my SBO on the right is a 20rd.
But the empty space on the webbing where I drew a red box, is where the longer 30rd pounch would reach down to.
The SBO is in SG and I'm in SH so I don't remember correctly, but I think it also had less pouches for grenades than the standard 30rd SBO. As you can see the 30rd mag arrangement is mag pouch, grenade pouch, mag pouch on each side. Mine was like 3 x mag pouches on the left side and 2 x mag pouches plus 2 x grenade pouches on the right.
My deduction was that originally 2PDF was to be strictly coastal defence. Where firing the weapon from a sandbagged position with a 20rd mag would be perfect.
But every ICT we were training for FIBUA and FOFO assault. Only did one defence ex. But all our live firings were still conducted towards the sea against amphibious landings.
the ones i saw at beach road are all 30 rounders.
bloody mess in logistics indeed!
btw do they wobble alot? the SBO's.
LBV's, i took to airsoft game , damn hot . -
Sure can work?
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But the point is, the SBO are the new type (then) and brand spanking new when issued to us.. Why they would specially make a new batch of SBO to fit old mags?Originally posted by ktk:Maybe they just throw some old stocks at u guys lor.
the ones i saw at beach road are all 30 rounders.
bloody mess in logistics indeed!
btw do they wobble alot? the SBO's.
LBV's, i took to airsoft game , damn hot .
And like I said, most of the 20rd mags aren't old.
What I've got is a rare item only for 2PDF, you can't buy at Beach Road. -
hmm, from the pics , it too looks new to me.Originally posted by moca:But the point is, the SBO are the new type (then) and brand spanking new when issued to us.. Why they would specially make a new batch of SBO to fit old mags?
And like I said, most of the 20rd mags aren't old.
What I've got is a rare item only for 2PDF, you can't buy at Beach Road.
strange....
maybe u guys got an "experimental" batch before total switchover to LBV?