Does the mighty SAF have any weaknesses?
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Gone in 60 seconds
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If Sing lose the war,you will be just a refugee in an alien country.Originally posted by maggot:Gone in 60 seconds
If Sing win, you will return and be the butt of jokes for the rest of your life.
Don't return back. For your own good. -
If war really broke out, it is exterminationOriginally posted by fvwerra:If Sing lose the war,you will be just a refugee in an alien country.
If Sing win, you will return and be the butt of jokes for the rest of your life.
Don't return back. For your own good.
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If Sing lose the war,you will be just a refugee in an alien country.
not really. sometimes it is essential to ship out certain group of people out of the country during war.... to help rebuild it.
If Sing win, you will return and be the butt of jokes for the rest of your life.
Don't return back. For your own good. -
totally agree that we need combat experience. Not only the Officers NCOs should go as well.
Border patrol in SK is too much of a political risk. Although we aren't very comfy with NK, we are not really their enemies either.
Afghanistan, Iraq would be a better choice. obviously under UN. -
Iraq eh..that's a political minefield.Originally posted by storm_freaky13:totally agree that we need combat experience. Not only the Officers NCOs should go as well.
Border patrol in SK is too much of a political risk. Although we aren't very comfy with NK, we are not really their enemies either.
Afghanistan, Iraq would be a better choice. obviously under UN.
I think a contingent under ISAF in Afghanistan is more neutral. -
Which arm forces has no weakness one? Of course SAF also has.
Most of the advanced weapons are imported from overseas, singapore is not able to build or repair them, so if war happen, when the route is being cut off, SAF capability will be greatly reduced.
Another thing is the weapons are from US. If one day US not happy with singapore, then it will stop supplying the parts and SAF F16, AWACS all these will not be in good condition anymore.
If confrontation happen, the confronting army don't need to attack singapore directly, they just block the straits then see how long singapore can sustain without the incoming vessels from all over the world. -
waaa... i didnt know our enemy so power can block the the international SLOC... i wonder if the superpowers and other countries that relies on our SLOC have anything to say....Originally posted by justdoit77:Which arm forces has no weakness one? Of course SAF also has.
Most of the advanced weapons are imported from overseas, singapore is not able to build or repair them, so if war happen, when the route is being cut off, SAF capability will be greatly reduced.
Another thing is the weapons are from US. If one day US not happy with singapore, then it will stop supplying the parts and SAF F16, AWACS all these will not be in good condition anymore.
If confrontation happen, the confronting army don't need to attack singapore directly, they just block the straits then see how long singapore can sustain without the incoming vessels from all over the world.
who knows... maybe they will sink the US carrier fleet, Japan, Indian and PLAN navy at the same time to show they mean buissness....
with respect to high tech weapon... aint that a fact for practically almost every nation on earth with the exception of the few?
or do you really think that a parang or other low tech weapon stands a chance against modern firepower? oh... dont give me that hunting rifle shot down the apache story from iraq... its true that while some human ingenuity can be spectacular.. but dont expect that to win a high pace war...
frankly... its a harsh world... the superpowers do call the shots... if you are not happy with them... pray hard that they are not interested in you... the only good news is that there are more then one superpower....
if US, China, RUS are actually one big superpower... IRAN wont even dare raise their head before bushy man.... the same will go for the rest of us of course.
in conclusion... it pays to be friends with superpowers... even if they dont help you directly in a war... i would love to see our enemy sink the superpowers' navy or merchant ships who is carrying supplies and weapons to us. -
waaa... i didnt know our enemy so power can block the the international SLOC... i wonder if the superpowers and other countries that relies on our SLOC have anything to say....
plant mines in Malacca Straits that area will be closed for a very long time... -
great idea!! now you plant mines in malacca straits... remember to do the same for the eastern approach of singapore port from south china sea as well as indonesia lombak and sunda straits... i am sure a navy with the strength to take on the US navy surely have no problem stuffing some mines down the indonesians throat.Originally posted by tankfanatic:plant mines in Malacca Straits that area will be closed for a very long time...
of course... after all the mines laying... someone is gonna have to answer for all those damages.... i dont know how our enemy gonna answer for it or pay for it... but wat the heck... as long as they can win singapore.. who gives a damn about the rest of the world and their complaints.
come to think of it... i am sure all the leaders of the world are dumb dumb dumb... and they gonna squat in a corner and cry when their oil and cargos are blocked by minefields.... so sad...
by the way... dont most navies come with minesweepers? -
if only our enemy is so dumb to use mines on the malacca straits... sink afew innocent ships.. and before you knew it.. we will have the upper hand in diplomacy...
in fact.. the more innocent civilian ship sunk by enemies mines.. the better for us.
lets go to the UN and rally the world against the mad insane leader of our common enemy. -
The SAF of course has stockpiles of spare parts and its own qualified pool of technicians to maintain its weapons.Originally posted by justdoit77:Which arm forces has no weakness one? Of course SAF also has.
Most of the advanced weapons are imported from overseas, singapore is not able to build or repair them, so if war happen, when the route is being cut off, SAF capability will be greatly reduced.
Another thing is the weapons are from US. If one day US not happy with singapore, then it will stop supplying the parts and SAF F16, AWACS all these will not be in good condition anymore.
If confrontation happen, the confronting army don't need to attack singapore directly, they just block the straits then see how long singapore can sustain without the incoming vessels from all over the world.
And with the unless they have the assets and resources of the US navy, I do not think that any of our potential adversaries have the capability to block the straits without brutal retaliation from our RSN.
Such posts make me wonder where do people get all their concepts on warfighting from. -
they dont have to put real mines at all. i heard that by blowing air randomly at random location in a staits for examples will makes people believe that mines were planted.
1. there is no prove that mines were planted but the risk is too high so an investigation needed to be done.
2. The moment the news of minsweeper flotilla sweeping the straits, the commercial sealane will surely diverting their voyage way from the straits. In fact there is no need to wait for the minesweeper, all the enemy have to do is just leak it to the press.
3. Ofcourse sweeping hostile narrow straits werent easy, your ship were within range of many type of missile and artillery (South african have proven that their G5 can be use to attack ship)
4. Now you have to secure the entire lenght of the coast line so that the flotilla will be secure while sweeping the straits for the bogus mines.
5. By the time the navy realise that the mines were probably bogus, its probably too late because the time consumed to search for it and the diverting of forces to secure the coastline have bogg down the actual campaign (which is the objective of the enemy forces)
6. when this happen and the flotilla retreats, all the enemy need to do is blow a ship using a mine some where in the straits, so that the first impression that the mines were bogus, will be crushed and more units will be diverted to secure this part of the peninsular....and for surely the attrition warfare will start.
given that the sealane is closed..and not the entire lenght of the straits is secure, the straits will be closed for a very long time and marking an economic disaster for singapore.
Now it is not necessarily the north that did the fiasco... country like Thai who for all these years wanted the segenting kra canal to be opened and killing singapore port at the same times...or the indonesia who can revive its super ports potential.. from the closure of singapore ports.
but this is just hypothesis. lol -
of course im just talking about the straits of malacca.
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an also it seems that this have nothing to do with the topic, but in fact it does. It shows the vulnerability of singapore during war. While its probably wont be facing multiple front yet each surrounding country will definately take the advantages of war. The Thai could be bulding the Segenting kra Canal and bulding gas and oil pipes. The chinese will probably invade spartly now that the RMN were in a slug fest with RSN (ops did i say RMN?)
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1) reliance on conscripts and reservists
2) lack of operational readiness
some points from a book called Defending the Lion City by Tim Huxley hahaha... -
well... first of all... even the claim of mines being layed in malacca by them would get them straight away into hot soup with all the major global powers.. you dont even have to lay them... and those embassadors would be crashing into their PM office with a bulldozer.Originally posted by tankfanatic:they dont have to put real mines at all. i heard that by blowing air randomly at random location in a staits for examples will makes people believe that mines were planted.
1. there is no prove that mines were planted but the risk is too high so an investigation needed to be done.
2. The moment the news of minsweeper flotilla sweeping the straits, the commercial sealane will surely diverting their voyage way from the straits. In fact there is no need to wait for the minesweeper, all the enemy have to do is just leak it to the press.
3. Ofcourse sweeping hostile narrow straits werent easy, your ship were within range of many type of missile and artillery (South african have proven that their G5 can be use to attack ship)
4. Now you have to secure the entire lenght of the coast line so that the flotilla will be secure while sweeping the straits for the bogus mines.
5. By the time the navy realise that the mines were probably bogus, its probably too late because the time consumed to search for it and the diverting of forces to secure the coastline have bogg down the actual campaign (which is the objective of the enemy forces)
6. when this happen and the flotilla retreats, all the enemy need to do is blow a ship using a mine some where in the straits, so that the first impression that the mines were bogus, will be crushed and more units will be diverted to secure this part of the peninsular....and for surely the attrition warfare will start.
given that the sealane is closed..and not the entire lenght of the straits is secure, the straits will be closed for a very long time and marking an economic disaster for singapore.
Now it is not necessarily the north that did the fiasco... country like Thai who for all these years wanted the segenting kra canal to be opened and killing singapore port at the same times...or the indonesia who can revive its super ports potential.. from the closure of singapore ports.
but this is just hypothesis. lol
secondly... without choking off the other ways of passage to singapore such as from the eastern and southern approach, mining the malacca is pure stupidity as it only renders their own major ports on their west coast inoperable.
thirdly... we dont have to secure the entire malacca straight... the US and other regional powers navy will do that for us... and i sure as hell will pay big bucks to see them hit or sink an american carrier with their G-5... -
How come we did not think of the possibility of our mothers and fathers being a potential weakness?
Its the politicians of the US of A that lost the war in Vietnam.
In Vietnam, the US forces won almost every battle, but eventually lost the war.
Because they were weak on the political front. -
well... first of all... even the claim of mines being layed in malacca by them would get them straight away into hot soup with all the major global powers.. you dont even have to lay them... and those embassadors would be crashing into their PM office with a bulldozer.
its about timing, how long does it need to bog down the lightning offensive?secondly... without choking off the other ways of passage to singapore such as from the eastern and southern approach, mining the malacca is pure stupidity as it only renders their own major ports on their west coast inoperable.
if read it clearly...i said they bluff ... so they can always admit it if the objective is completed.thirdly... we dont have to secure the entire malacca straight... the US and other regional powers navy will do that for us... and i sure as hell will pay big bucks to see them hit or sink an american carrier with their G-5...
like i said timing. Even the US wont commit its asset if there is not enough evidence that they commit it. Like i say before there were few other suspect other than them. -
I think Afghanistan is an ideal choice, i think SAF can make use of the vast terrain.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Iraq eh..that's a political minefield.
I think a contingent under ISAF in Afghanistan is more neutral. -
I hope that all of u will fight to the death to whoever threatens our beloved country in years or time to come
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its one thing to have political will but sometime as you can see political will is not enough without people backing it.Originally posted by mancha:How come we did not think of the possibility of our mothers and fathers being a potential weakness?
Its the politicians of the US of A that lost the war in Vietnam.
In Vietnam, the US forces won almost every battle, but eventually lost the war.
Because they were weak on the political front.
if you look at Bush the notion of "Stay the course" is just not gaining strength, the rest of the party members and voters are to get him out so that they can pull troops back to the US. -
i really catch no ball leh... what you trying to say har?Originally posted by tankfanatic:like i said timing. Even the US wont commit its asset if there is not enough evidence that they commit it. Like i say before there were few other suspect other than them.
simi timing? i thought we got enough reserves to last for months... you mean they gonna bluff the world for months and get away with it??
please explain more popoly ... i read till jim gan ko. -
The greatest weakness are parents instilling the SG is defenseless:
Water
1.The common wisdom is if MY shut the water tap.we all will
die.No need to fight.
sg have storage of 100 days of usage.
petroleum
2.sg current storge is one day of global usage,80 million barrel.
sg usage is less than 300,000 barrels per day. -
Even superheroes have weaknessess...