Small Arms questions for DaveC, MG & others
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I do sell MagPul products including their CTR stocks, enhanced trigger guards and grips but I will hold off on the Masada for now. It remains to be tested.Originally posted by davechng:I-shot if you represents Magpul! great product!!... loooking forward for the MAsada rifle!
DaveC
We build our own lightweight M4 patrol carbines in-house.
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i-SHOT
Pardon the poor choice of words but... What exactly do you do? If you don't mind me asking...
I gather you are in a firearms-related industry? -
DaveC & MG
Do you guys have any, or intend to buy any SAW/LMGs, GPMG or HMG? (Don't have to answer this question if not comfortable.)
Are you allowed to buy these things in the first place?
Is there a different license needed for this category?
If you can, would you buy Machine Guns?
If so, which one?
For some reason, I fancy a BAR M1918A2. Though from what MG told me, the 30-06 makes it very challenging to handle - especially FA!
I've seen in magazines and websites where US civvies shoot all manner of MGs including a pickup truck-mounted quad .5 on AA mount.
Seen here, mounted on M3 halftrack.
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Would you guys buy sniper rifles?
Or specifically, 12.7mm sniper rifles?
Can anyone with a gun licence just walk into a store and buy one?
I suppose it would be silly to ask if 12.7mm sniper rifles are legal? I'm sure they are...
What kind of people buy 12.7mm sniper rifles?
And what do they use it for? -
Haha, more questions...
What kind of blanks do they use in Hollywood?
How come they seem to function so well, don't need any blank attachments?
And the brass they eject looks just like real empty cartriges i.e. "headless" and hollow.
Are Hollywood firearms specially modified or are they just ordinary firearms? -
Sorry, more questions. Don't feel pressured to answer.
These are about ammunition.
How many types of cartridges are there. I know of 2 types: the M-16 type called "bottle neck" and the pistol type called "straight case". Are there other types?
Which one came first?
It used to be that bottle neck are for long guns and straight case for SMG. Why is this the norm?
Though there are exceptions, of course like the .30 carbine round which is straight case, and the FN 5.7 and the Chinese 5.8 for pistols which are bottle neck.
What is the advantage of each type? -
In hip hop music, they call this "flow" I believe. I have all these accumulated questions and they are coming out all at once tonight nonstop.
Here's one more about ammo.
How come most sub-calibres are straight case and only the larger calibres are bottle necK?
How come straight case bullets can be sharp, but straight case bbullets are almost never sharp-tipped. They are either round-tipped or flat like Hollow Points.
Does straight case feed better, less jams?
Does being one or the other affect penetration?
Does it affect range, accuracy, tumbling, velocity, etc ballistic stuff.
What is the advantage of each type?
Which is more of a man-stopper or killer?
Why make 'em round in the first place?
Can I, theoretically put a sharp bullet into a 9mm case and make it work in a SMG or pistol? -
Do powerful handgun rounds like the .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum and .50 AE have good range and penetration power? Or do they just have better knock down power?
Theoretically, does it make sense to make a SMG with either of these powerful rounds?
You would have a very powerful SMG wouldn't you?
Or is it impractical, cos no one hhas done it - or have they already? -
HI Moca!Originally posted by moca:Would you guys buy sniper rifles?
Or specifically, 12.7mm sniper rifles?
Can anyone with a gun licence just walk into a store and buy one?
I suppose it would be silly to ask if 12.7mm sniper rifles are legal? I'm sure they are...
What kind of people buy 12.7mm sniper rifles?
And what do they use it for?
You can legally own any 12.7mm sniper rifle like the BArret M82A1, M107, McMillian Tac 50 etc etc.... I have shot it and don;t mind having one ! WOuld I have one !probably not or when I have access money to get one.... main reason is I don;t have use for it.... its too heavy and very specialized weapon! and match .50 caliber ammunition! not the cheap surplus is very expensive! we talking $7 to $8 for a round! to me shooting surplus Browning .50 ammo on a sniper match grade rifle is kind of pointless!
DaveC! -
HI!Originally posted by moca:DaveC & MG
Do you guys have any, or intend to buy any SAW/LMGs, GPMG or HMG? (Don't have to answer this question if not comfortable.)
Are you allowed to buy these things in the first place?
Is there a different license needed for this category?
If you can, would you buy Machine Guns?
If so, which one?
For some reason, I fancy a BAR M1918A2. Though from what MG told me, the 30-06 makes it very challenging to handle - especially FA!
I've seen in magazines and websites where US civvies shoot all manner of MGs including a pickup truck-mounted quad .5 on AA mount.
Seen here, mounted on M3 halftrack.
I guess you are asking belt fed machine and not just machine guns! over here machine gun can mean an MP5 to M16 to M249 to M2.!
YEs you can own and buy Belt fed machine gun! infact we just has a big machinegun shoot on Sun! which we have M2 browning, Browning 1919A5, MG42, M60 etc etc.... belt fed macchine gun is treated like any full auto SMG, or assualt rifle ! no differnce... you have to get the gun register as a Class3 weapons in the US. the down side of C3 weapon is that the gun has to be produced before 1986. becasue there was a NFA law in 1986 sign by Reagan to ban the manufacture of fully automatic machine gun to civilians!
Which would I have... it depends! If I have to have a belt fed, and I am payingf for the ammo, it will probably be a GPMG or M240B ... it is practical, easy to use and reliable and proven!
a photo of the shoot we got on SUn!
DaveC -
I guess this one is kind of arguable ! Over in US! a lot of people like the heavier and slower bullet like the .45ACP! big 230 grain of lead .... than there is the other with lightweight bullet with higher velocity with hi Kinietic energy!Originally posted by moca:Do powerful handgun rounds like the .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum and .50 AE have good range and penetration power? Or do they just have better knock down power?
Theoretically, does it make sense to make a SMG with either of these powerful rounds?
You would have a very powerful SMG wouldn't you?
Or is it impractical, cos no one hhas done it - or have they already?
Pistol cartridge will always be pistol cartridge and its knock down power is always limited.... things like the .44 and .50AE or the 454 CAsull all have one purpose ! knock down power ... its penetration in terms of amor pierecing is defeintly questionable! ( mainly in the bullet design and all) and the accuracy at ranges cannot be comparable to rifle cartridge. I guess reason non of this big cartridge isbeing design as a SMG!
If you want to make a SMG in these big ... recoil burden cartridge why not go with an assualt rifle... does the same job! has less recoil and can shoot further and more accurate!
Also proven is that say the 5.56 or FN 5.7mm that utilized hi KE, has less collateral damage! in most US homes that uses dry wall has wall partition! the 5.56 and 5.7 will not penetrate those! but will penetrate a type 3 level body armor at 100 meter ! reason is the hi KE and bullet design that when a high velocity 5.56touches a dry wall it fragment !! but a harder object like Body armor it actually punches thru like a AP round ! ( SS109) ... whereelse the 9mm MP5 will overpenetrate in the same environement with 9mm ammo!
I guess all cartridge is made to have its purpose and place....
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I think the straight wall cartridge was produced 1st! in fact the 1st metallic cartridge was a straight form .... ease of producing and simple to reload and manufacture. The bottle neck can produce much higher pressure becasue of the neck.. thus a same size cartidge of straight wall and bottleneck... the later can produce much higher pressure thus much higher velocity and thus more power.Originally posted by moca:Sorry, more questions. Don't feel pressured to answer.
These are about ammunition.
How many types of cartridges are there. I know of 2 types: the M-16 type called "bottle neck" and the pistol type called "straight case". Are there other types?
Which one came first?
It used to be that bottle neck are for long guns and straight case for SMG. Why is this the norm?
Though there are exceptions, of course like the .30 carbine round which is straight case, and the FN 5.7 and the Chinese 5.8 for pistols which are bottle neck.
What is the advantage of each type?
from a reloading stand point, straight wall is much easier to reload becasue you don;t need to lube the empty brass and also don;t need to trim the case... alot of time the brass actually elongate due to high pressure necked cartridge.
don;t forget about 357 SIG ammo ! its a .40 caliber necked down to .355 neck or 9mm .... very high pressure round ! but a pain in a butt to reload the 357SIG.
I guess thats the reason we get most rifle cartrdige to be necked!
DaveC -
Hi DaveC
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Man, I'm glad DaveC answered all those Qs for you, brother. That was quite a numberOriginally posted by moca:i-SHOT
Pardon the poor choice of words but... What exactly do you do? If you don't mind me asking...
I gather you are in a firearms-related industry?
Yes, I am in the firearms industry and possibly the only Singaporean stateside to do so unless someone else knows another. If that is the case, I'd like to meet them.
Anyway, we own i-SHOT (shooting sports accessories), S.E.R.T System (LE & Mil tactical gear and training) and are a partner in Templar Ridge (M4s & precision rifle).
I'm also the only Singaporean IDPA (www.idpa.com) Master and possibly the only Asian IDPA 2-gun (that means 2 divisions out of 5) Master. -
Reloading the 357 Sig really isn't all that different from reloading any other straight-walled pistol cartridge. The case doesn't need to be lubricated if you first resize it in a carbide 40 S&W die, then resize it again in a regular steel 357 Sig die. The second step essentially performs just a neck resize on the 357 Sig case, thus eliminating the lubrication requirement.Originally posted by davechng:don;t forget about 357 SIG ammo ! its a .40 caliber necked down to .355 neck or 9mm .... very high pressure round ! but a pain in a butt to reload the 357SIG.
I've found the 357 Sig cartridge to be an exceptionally accurate and consistent round, particularly in mid-power loadings.
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Actually good ol' DaveC did miss one question regarding Hollywood guns... are they modified to fire without blank attachments? what kind of blanks etc etc...Originally posted by i-SHOT:Man, I'm glad DaveC answered all those Qs for you, brother. That was quite a number
Yes, I am in the firearms industry and possibly the only Singaporean stateside to do so unless someone else knows another. If that is the case, I'd like to meet them.
Anyway, we own i-SHOT (shooting sports accessories), S.E.R.T System (LE & Mil tactical gear and training) and are a partner in Templar Ridge (M4s & precision rifle).
I'm also the only Singaporean IDPA (www.idpa.com) Master and possibly the only Asian IDPA 2-gun (that means 2 divisions out of 5) Master.
Which state are you in?
The next question I'm gonna ask is if there are quick 2-3 day shooting courses a visitor like me can sign up for in the US? -
Kool I-shot!Originally posted by i-SHOT:Man, I'm glad DaveC answered all those Qs for you, brother. That was quite a number
Yes, I am in the firearms industry and possibly the only Singaporean stateside to do so unless someone else knows another. If that is the case, I'd like to meet them.
Anyway, we own i-SHOT (shooting sports accessories), S.E.R.T System (LE & Mil tactical gear and training) and are a partner in Templar Ridge (M4s & precision rifle).
I'm also the only Singaporean IDPA (www.idpa.com) Master and possibly the only Asian IDPA 2-gun (that means 2 divisions out of 5) Master.
its good to see fellow SIngaporean in this sports! we really do not see as much!
Keep it up and share the sports ! Heh! you got any idea on importing ammunition!?? I have some source to get it ! but it is in PRC!
I know there is a executive order on ammmo and fireamrs from PRC! but I know the order have since expire ! thats what I got the info from the treasury dept!
DaveC! -
ROger on the MG! I am having teething problems with the 357SIG where I cannot seat the bullet good after seating! so you are saying we do the decap and resize on the 1st .40 carbibe dies ! than do the 357SIG die again! Hmmmm!if that work I will give that a shot!Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:Reloading the 357 Sig really isn't all that different from reloading any other straight-walled pistol cartridge. The case doesn't need to be lubricated if you first resize it in a carbide 40 S&W die, then resize it again in a regular steel 357 Sig die. The second step essentially performs just a neck resize on the 357 Sig case, thus eliminating the lubrication requirement.
I've found the 357 Sig cartridge to be an exceptionally accurate and consistent round, particularly in mid-power loadings.
ANy good receipe for the 357 SIG?? with these ammo getting so high and expensive !i am back reloading my 5.56, 7.62x51, .40 and if I can the 357SIG!
DAveC -
Yup. The carbide 40 S&W die resizes the body, and the steel 357 Sig die resizes the neck, without need for lubrication. Works like a charm!Originally posted by davechng:ROger on the MG! I am having teething problems with the 357SIG where I cannot seat the bullet good after seating! so you are saying we do the decap and resize on the 1st .40 carbibe dies ! than do the 357SIG die again! Hmmmm!if that work I will give that a shot!
ANy good receipe for the 357 SIG?? with these ammo getting so high and expensive !i am back reloading my 5.56, 7.62x51, .40 and if I can the 357SIG!
DAveC
The secret to getting the projectile to seat correctly is to not flare the case mouth. Just use a chamfer tool to deburr the case mouth and give the inside lip a bit of a bevel, and the projectile will seat perfectly each and every time.
What kind of projectile were you using for your 357 Sig reloads? The neck of a 357 Sig case doesn't adequately grip the ogive of a round-nosed 9mm projectile. You need to use a 9mm projectile with an adequate length of straight wall for the neck to grip securely.
My standard 357 Sig recipe calls for a Rainier 124 gr. 9mm flat-point projectile seated atop 5.6 gr. of Universal powder at an overall case length of 1.145", with a light taper crimp applied at the mouth. This recipe clocks approximately 1180 fps out of the 3.9" barrel of my Sig Pro SP2340. This is a reasonably soft-shooting recipe that is phenomenally accurate and consistent, and doesn't stress the brass much (i.e., the spent primers in the fired cases still have rounded edges). -
I'm in Virginia, right outside DC. And yes, there are courses you can take as a civilian. A Tactical Pistol I class is usually one day and Tac Pistol II is another. Add another day for maintenance and lite armorer stuff and you'll cover 3 days in no time.Originally posted by moca:Which state are you in?
The next question I'm gonna ask is if there are quick 2-3 day shooting courses a visitor like me can sign up for in the US?
If you need more info, just PM or E me.
Dave, to be honest, with some of the work we do, in the past I've always try to stay away from anything related to the PRC. That said, we've imported firearms so ammo shouldn't be an issue.Originally posted by DaveC:Kool I-shot!
its good to see fellow SIngaporean in this sports! we really do not see as much!
Keep it up and share the sports ! Heh! you got any idea on importing ammunition!?? I have some source to get it ! but it is in PRC!
I know there is a executive order on ammmo and fireamrs from PRC! but I know the order have since expire ! thats what I got the info from the treasury dept!
Right now I have no idea what the word is on the PRC but if you have something in mind, feel free to contact me.