Great Generals in Singapore History
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Ah..this one must go to temple and get the medium to ask Churchill why he gave up Singapore at the expence of British troops and civiliansOriginally posted by moca:The fact always overlooked was that Britain was NOT AT WAR with Japan prior to the attack on Singapore.
They knew Japan was a grave threat but actual fughting between Britain and Japan has not taken place prior to Kota Bahru landings.
So while it is true that they didn't prepare well enough and they grossly underestimated the Japs, it is also wrong to imply that Singapore was "considered expendable".
It was plain complacency and ignorance rather than any planned "expendability".
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I guess you didn't know there was something called EBay back then ... did you?Originally posted by moca:I once found around 30 rounds of old ammunition in Upper Pierce Reservoir.
It was dry season and I walked along the water's edge of the forest where the water level had dropped significantly.
Buried in the sand was about 30 rounds of rusted rifle ammunition. They came in stripper clips of 5-rounds each. I remember identifying them from internet photos as British .303. They had bits of cloth still attached to them. Probably they were contained in a cloth bandolier and was the ammo supply of some dead guy.
I took them home but threw them away after a few years. Damn... -
Dude, if I try selling ammo on the internet in Singapore you know where I'll be squatting now. DUH?Originally posted by YaoRockets:I guess you didn't know there was something called EBay back then ... did you?
To be honest with you, while I was digging the ammo out of the sandbank, I was half expecting to find a skeleton as well.
Because this lot of ammo looked like a substantial part of the ammo load of one soldier. Not just one or 2 scattered rounds. 30 over rounds. And the bits of cloth stuck to them was probably from a cloth bandolier.
And if I dug deeper there would probably be more rounds.
But I stopped digging cos like I said, I don't really want to dig up someone's remains. (Though in hindsight, this would probably be a good thing for that person's afterlife etc.)
So, you can speculate that either this soldier threw his ammo into the water's edge to avoid it falling into enemy hands, or he ...ahem... died there on that spot.
So after some time, I felt kinda uncomfortable about keeping dead person's things... A bit "pan-tan". I wanted to take it back to the spot where I found it but I was afraid kenna spot check, also problem.
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Wah Moca, how long ago was this incident.Originally posted by moca:Dude, if I try selling ammo on the internet in Singapore you know where I'll be squatting now. DUH?
To be honest with you, while I was digging the ammo out of the sandbank, I was half expecting to find a skeleton as well.
Because this lot of ammo looked like a substantial part of the ammo load of one soldier. Not just one or 2 scattered rounds. 30 over rounds. And the bits of cloth stuck to them was probably from a cloth bandolier.
And if I dug deeper there would probably be more rounds.
But I stopped digging cos like I said, I don't really want to dig up someone's remains. (Though in hindsight, this would probably be a good thing for that person's afterlife etc.)
So, you can speculate that either this soldier threw his ammo into the water's edge to avoid it falling into enemy hands, or he ...ahem... died there on that spot.
So after some time, I felt kinda uncomfortable about keeping dead person's things... A bit "pan-tan". I wanted to take it back to the spot where I found it but I was afraid kenna spot check, also problem.
So what to do, throw away loh...
You should have donated the ammunitions to the Singapore museum, it is quite educational. Last time ther was this documentary hosted by Lisa Ang and she went with a historian to Kent ridge and they found a spent Japanese rifle catridge. -
Haha, one spent cartridge and they made a documentary...Originally posted by equlus84:Wah Moca, how long ago was this incident.
You should have donated the ammunitions to the Singapore museum, it is quite educational. Last time ther was this documentary hosted by Lisa Ang and she went with a historian to Kent ridge and they found a spent Japanese rifle catridge.
Mine very long ago lah... At least 10 years ago. And that sand bank is usually under water, but that time dry season.
It was at a secluded part of Upper Pierce Reservoir.
Even earlier 20 yrs ago at another part of Lower Pierce Reservoir I also found a ancient bullet. tHis time just a bullet itself, no cartridge.
It must've been unfired and somehow over time got detached from the cartridge cos it was not deformed at all, just very rusted.
It was quite long, close to 7.62 diameter and the head wasn't sharp like our SAF 5.56 or 7.62; but rather rounded.
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come on ... it wouldn't be classified as ammunition, it would be called antiques or collectibles. it might have worthed some money.
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Boys & girls:Originally posted by YaoRockets:come on ... it wouldn't be classified as ammunition, it would be called antiques or collectibles. it might have worthed some money.
The correct thing to do upon finding ammunition, or suspected ammunition and other ordnance would be to leave them alone and call 999.
Anyone found in possession of such illegal items can be charged under the firearms and illegal weapons act and may face fines and a jail term.
The fact that the ammunition might be unusable is not up to a civilian like me - or you - to judge.
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Several years ago, I found what appeared to be a identification tag with the words : SRB 1941.
Found it on the beach at Changi point.
Is it military?........or just a discarded dog licence? but the 1941 date is quite significant.
can anyone help?
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Unnecessary post...
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Is it military?........or just a discarded dog licence? but the 1941 date is quite significant
a dog licence ...or a dog tag....... LOL -
guys! for god sake.. pls keep those stuff u had found..
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Found a fairly old piece of 7.62mm projectile somewhere on St John's island last year. Fairly corroded with greenish ferrous oxide all over. Still not sure what it was doing by itself there.
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Spent ammo at Southern Islands?
I had a chance to speak to a retired Police officer who was a Marine Police rookie during Confrontation. He revealed that he had seen firefights over the Southern Islands/batam island when tracer bullets lighted up the night sky, afterwhich, he had recovered dead bodies from the sea........perhaps the SAS or the SBS where shooting up the Indons across the border......
There was a secret ops called "Claret" where UK forces crossed into Indon territory creating havoc........maybe you found the left overs! -
Interesting, got more info?Originally posted by Dr Who:Spent ammo at Southern Islands?
I had a chance to speak to a retired Police officer who was a Marine Police rookie during Confrontation. He revealed that he had seen firefights over the Southern Islands/batam island when tracer bullets lighted up the night sky, afterwhich, he had recovered dead bodies from the sea........perhaps the SAS or the SBS where shooting up the Indons across the border......
There was a secret ops called "Claret" where UK forces crossed into Indon territory creating havoc........maybe you found the left overs! -
i wud never go into battle with a useless commander. if i had to of course
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U sure operation "claret" would have come all the way to the southern island?Originally posted by Dr Who:Spent ammo at Southern Islands?
I had a chance to speak to a retired Police officer who was a Marine Police rookie during Confrontation. He revealed that he had seen firefights over the Southern Islands/batam island when tracer bullets lighted up the night sky, afterwhich, he had recovered dead bodies from the sea........perhaps the SAS or the SBS where shooting up the Indons across the border......
There was a secret ops called "Claret" where UK forces crossed into Indon territory creating havoc........maybe you found the left overs!