Upgraded I-HAWK,Mechanised Igla,Giraffe (AMB) Radar&ERWD
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Upgraded I-Hawk Surface-to-Air Missile System
The upgraded I-HAWK launcher.Technical Specifications:
a. Technical Name: Product Improvement Plan (PIP) Phase III Remote Engagement Section (RES) Fire Unit
b. Range: 40km
c. Height: 18km
d. Max speed of missile: Mach 2.7
e. Single Shot Kill Probability: 85%
f. Guidance: Semi-Active Homing
Mechanised Igla
Technical Specifications:
3.Giraffe Agile Multiple Beam (AMB) Radar
Max Effective Range:5km
Max Missile Speed:570m/s
Single-Shot-Kill-Probability(SSKP):85%
Radar Detection Range:14km (Fixed Wing Aircrafts)/8km (Rotary Wing Aircrafts)
Technical Specifications:
4.Enhanced Remote Weapon Display (ERWD)
a. Accurate 3D pulsed Doppler radar with multiple track capability.
b. Operating on C-band frequency.
c. Range coverage of up to 60km.
d. Height coverage of up to 20km.
e. Built-in simulator for operator training.
Technical Specifications:
5.Comparsions of old and new sys
a. Power Supply: AC (110 or 230 Volt) or DC (20 to 30 Volt)
b. Operating Temperature: 0 to 50 Degree Celsius
c. Storage Temperature: -20 to 60 Degree Celsius
d. Vibration & Shock Proof
e. Dust & Water Resistant
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What is the best missile sg owned?
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Bloody crap... this stuff is REAL and painful.
Bye bye hornets,migs and now...Mkms heh.
At least our little island is well protected.
Our best missile is the Aim-120. I forget is it the c version?
Maybe we can consider the Humvee -Aim120 land launcher as a ++ -
Don't overrate the Igla lar. The kill probability or rather hit probability is really much lower if we factor in counter measures. Iglas are good against low and slow targets. MiGs and Hornets don't hang around these regimes.
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Probably to deal with close support fighters or helicopters.Originally posted by Shotgun:Don't overrate the Igla lar. The kill probability or rather hit probability is really much lower if we factor in counter measures. Iglas are good against low and slow targets. MiGs and Hornets don't hang around these regimes. -
Actually,
i'm very surprise they put 85% SSpk for igla.
It's way too high.
I say for a Double shot is generously given @ 85% (maybe our technic is always fire two shot...so it counts as one.) -
If you look at the range, Igla is like 5km only. You really think its for airplanes? More like helicopter.
Anyway, I-Hawk is our best SAM atm. Max range only 40km which is really short. By the time you intend to launch, the plane has already flew more than 40km.
What they really improve is the radar and detection system which is really overdue for a overhaul. When I was serving they were doing new trials with the new giraffe. Good to see its finally out. Still I find the range of I-hawk really short. The can just lob missiles in without having to come into the 40km range. -
The Igla was likely developed to deal with close support copters like the Apache and close support aircraft like the A-10 Warthog.Originally posted by jianfish9:If you look at the range, Igla is like 5km only. You really think its for airplanes? More like helicopter.
Anyway, I-Hawk is our best SAM atm. Max range only 40km which is really short. By the time you intend to launch, the plane has already flew more than 40km.
What they really improve is the radar and detection system which is really overdue for a overhaul. When I was serving they were doing new trials with the new giraffe. Good to see its finally out. Still I find the range of I-hawk really short. The can just lob missiles in without having to come into the 40km range.
As for the other SAMs, I think we are due for renewal. -
Our Multilayer AA
Detection - AWACS (Gulf/E2c) 300km(Est)
Interception (CAP/ready to go F-16s) ( 150-75 km??)
Close Range Interception F5s (75 - 50km??)
Med Range Sam (I-Hawk 40km)
Med-Low Range Sam (Rapier 15km)
Low Range Sam
RBS70 4km
Igla (i suspect combat 3km)
Oerlikon( 35mm 1km)
Regarding
New Med range sam systems we have this:
The Norwegian Advance Sam:
The NASAMS launcher is unmanned and is mounted on a transportable pallet with four jack type stabilisers. The launcher is carried on a Norsk Scania Vabis P133H truck. An hydraulic crane on the truck is used to position the launcher at a selected launch site.
Data from the fire direction centre is downloaded to the launcher by fibre optic cable, land line or by digital radio. The NASAMS launcher has six ready to fire AMRAAM missiles.
Used by Spain, Norway, Denmark.
Pros: uses our radar TPq 36 (i think)
Cons: 22 men Platoon. (FC, radar, 3 launchers)
Alternative:
HAWK-AMRAAM AIR DEFENCE SYSTEM
Raytheon and Kongsberg Defence have jointly developed the HAWK-AMRAAM air defence system, which combines the capabilities of HAWK and AMRAAM missiles within a distributed architecture. The missiles are mounted on universal launchers, and a fire distribution centre controls target detection, identification, threat ordering, engagement, and kill assessment, as well as short-range air defence cueing.
The system can include the Sentinel radar and the HAWK AN/MPQ-61 high power illuminator for target tracking and illumination, although it is possible to hook up any number of radars and missile systems to the fire distribution centre.
Pros: Easy to intergrate with our current SAMs and radars
Cons: I suppose this system is currently not for sale.
-----> If I-hawk is compromised, why would people still use it as part of the above interegrated system? Arent both missiles medium range missiles (overlapping range)? Dont know. Share your views on this.
Long Range Sams
Frankly, there are currently not many affordable long range sams. 70km or further)
I see only these: Patriot, MEADS, S3/400s, ASTER 30.
Considering most AA missiles on (even modern)warships are ~ 15km. I believe the Hawk range is definitely acceptable as our first SAM line. -
We can forget about the S-400s, but the S-300s are still likely.
Btw, from the way it looks, its our F-5s that handles CAP, not the F-16Cs. -
i didn't see Rapier mention in this forum. is it retired?
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nope..
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
IMHO, we should not have taken the effort. It can't be cold launch and semi active homing is sure sign of SHOOT ME.
[b]Upgraded I-Hawk Surface-to-Air Missile System
The upgraded I-HAWK launcher.
5.Comparsions of old and new sys[/b] -
Ah the F-5s handle the Inner rim. The Outer CAP is done by F-16s.
F-16s are also on standby. I dont know what you call the out CAP...so i just call that CAP too.
The rapier is working everyday. It's just not improved so not mentioned.
Touchstone what are you talking about? I dont understand.
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Is our Rapiers upgraded to Blindfire control systems?
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Crap lah enemy likely to use artillery...
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the less planes we need to protect our shores, the more we can push forward as offensive capabilities.
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Who is going to introduce Su30 MKM soon, along with a bunch of new toys like KH-31P Anti-radiation Missile (ARM)?
No matter how you update the SAM system, it still uses multiple old generation radars for separated search & guidance, will become an easy prey in face of modern ARM. Look at the PAC-2 SAM, it only utilizes one MPQ-53 radar to do all in one job from search to track to kill. Then look at the north neighbor again, currently they also looking at new SAM systems with phase arrayed radar like Chinese made KS-1A medium range SAM as the front-run candidate.
Only the frequency agile, ultra-low sidelobe phased array radar has much improved survival chance against enemyÂ’s SEAD and itÂ’s the way to go. -
It's odd. The only new item that appears is the enhanced Giraffe, but that itself is relatively old tech. Phased Array radar is the way to go for theater anti-aircraft defence, and yet we don't have it yet. At the minimum, we ought to invest in say a variant of the S-300 which Vietnam has. S-400 shouldn't be a problem for us either despite the costs.Originally posted by coolant:Who is going to introduce Su30 MKM soon, along with a bunch of new toys like KH-31P Anti-radiation Missile (ARM)?
No matter how you update the SAM system, it still uses multiple old generation radars for separated search & guidance, will become an easy prey in face of modern ARM. Look at the PAC-2 SAM, it only utilizes one MPQ-53 radar to do all in one job from search to track to kill. Then look at the north neighbor again, currently they also looking at new SAM systems with phase arrayed radar like Chinese made KS-1A medium range SAM as the front-run candidate.
Only the frequency agile, ultra-low sidelobe phased array radar has much improved survival chance against enemyÂ’s SEAD and itÂ’s the way to go.
Alternatively, we could wait for the MEADS to come online for a full comprehensive upgrade. -
Hide in no where also good air defense!
The hill look so real.
i did not post them.dunt knock my door to nite
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The Giraffe Agile Multiple Beam radar is not the an enhanced version of the old Giraffe radar, but a brand new radar system, it is a True Three Dimensional Search Radar which features an active phased array antenna with full 3-D capability.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:It's odd. The only new item that appears is the enhanced Giraffe, but that itself is relatively old tech. Phased Array radar is the way to go for theater anti-aircraft defence, and yet we don't have it yet. At the minimum, we ought to invest in say a variant of the S-300 which Vietnam has. S-400 shouldn't be a problem for us either despite the costs.
Alternatively, we could wait for the MEADS to come online for a full comprehensive upgrade.
It is like comparing Leo 1 with Leo 2 MBT, similar name but 2 very different beast. -
Theater defense or not is immaterial as long as your SAM radar is facing or going to face new standoff threats like KH-31P ARM. As long as your SAMÂ’s radar triggers the Su-30 MKMÂ’s RWR, it will pinpoint the radarÂ’s location and upload the parameters to the KH-31P, then you can pretty sure whatÂ’s next, the KH-31Pthen will be launched following the radiation from the Radar. However, if the radar happened to be phase arrayed, in search mode, it can use less beam power to detect the su30 MKM without triggering the fighterÂ’s RWR. Even if the su30MKMÂ’s RWR being triggered, the KH-31P will find it hard to lock on the frequency agile main beam emitted from the ground Phase array radar. Thus, the survival chance of the phase array radar is much improved over old era mechanical scanning radars. If enemy suppressed your radar, whatÂ’s going to do with missiles? Upgrading a SAM system, 1st thing has to upgrade the radar.
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Should consider Israeli SPYDER system (Derby + Python 5).
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However, any similarities to predecessors like the Giraffe 75 end with the name, explains Per J妑bur, Ericsson Microwave Systems' sales director for market operations. Its radar is completely different from previous versions, featuring new algorithms and equipment that put it a generation ahead of other Giraffe models. "We threw everything away except the cabin and the mast," J妑bur says
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24.04.2007 Strait Times photo.
A GPMG attched next to the Igla.The Igla platform version seems defferent from
NDP one.
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Originally posted by gary1910:
It's still a relatively shorter range radar compared to the Russian radars that run the S-300 systems though. Conceded on the phased array stuff.
The Giraffe Agile Multiple Beam radar is not the an enhanced version of the old Giraffe radar, but a brand new radar system, it is a True Three Dimensional Search Radar which features an [b]active phased array antenna with full 3-D capability.
It is like comparing Leo 1 with Leo 2 MBT, similar name but 2 very different beast. [/b]