Singapore to receive first CAEW this summer
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http://www.alert5.com/2007/04/quarterly-news-update-from-rolls-royce.html
Singapore will this summer receive the first of four Gulfstream G550 Compact Airborne Early Warning (CAEW) aircraft, powered by the Rolls-Royce BR710 -
compact or conformal?? is there a difference between the two.. or simply typo error?
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whoa!
replacement for E2C! hmm.. if i remember correctly, the E2C arrived in late 80s or early 90s.
It is still considered pretty "new".....
maybe the "economics" of operating the G550 is just too compelling... -
Interesting. Surprised there has been no official announcement prior to this on the purchase of these G550 CAEWs.
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Wonder how much those planes cost...
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There are plenty of report since last year, check this out:Originally posted by insouciant:Interesting. Surprised there has been no official announcement prior to this on the purchase of these G550 CAEWs.
http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=688&st=0 -
wow. but gotta admit.. really came out of no where...
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whats the specification for the radar?
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I`ve read the radar on these things can fry the electronics of enemey aircrafts. They are rather powerful.
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way cool
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how far can it see?
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Surprising but not unexpected. Usually Mindef announces the purchase of such strategic equipment and makes it a news event, or else if they suddenly show up, our ambassadors in KL/Jakarta kenna summoned and given a lecture by their host country's govt.
I'm ignorant about the 'CAEW' designation. Does anyone know if this system is made by Boeing (such as E-3), or is it a system made by our friend in the Middle east? I know they bought a few 550s and equipped them with IAI Phalcon not long ago. -
The CAEW is made by IAI and Elta of Israel.Originally posted by OldBird69:Surprising but not unexpected. Usually Mindef announces the purchase of such strategic equipment and makes it a news event, or else if they suddenly show up, our ambassadors in KL/Jakarta kenna summoned and given a lecture by their host country's govt.
I'm ignorant about the 'CAEW' designation. Does anyone know if this system is made by Boeing (such as E-3), or is it a system made by our friend in the Middle east? I know they bought a few 550s and equipped them with IAI Phalcon not long ago.
http://www.iai.co.il/Default.aspx?docID=34951&FolderID=32981&lang=EN&pos=1
Cheers,
Sunho -
According to a member of a Korean defence forum site http://bemil.chosun.com/brd/view.html?tb=BEMIL081&pn=1&num=36381, ELTA briefed about Singapore's G550 CAEW to visiting Korean journalists, saying that the RSAF's Required Operational Capability (ROC) for the CAEW is a detection range of 150 NM. I am not entirely convinced until I see the same from other sources.Originally posted by tripwire:how far can it see?
Cheers,
Sunho -
I guess they want to do a proper datalink so as to coordinate our AMRAAM or whatever BVRAAM we get.
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our E2C can go up to 300km, if our new stuff can detect only150NM, doesn't that translates to about 280km only ????Originally posted by datafuser:According to a member of a Korean defence forum site http://bemil.chosun.com/brd/view.html?tb=BEMIL081&pn=1&num=36381, ELTA briefed about Singapore's G550 CAEW to visiting Korean journalists, saying that the RSAF's Required Operational Capability (ROC) for the CAEW is a detection range of 150 NM. I am not entirely convinced until I see the same from other sources.
Cheers,
Sunho -
150NM is the datalink range right? what's the radar detection range?Originally posted by datafuser:According to a member of a Korean defence forum site http://bemil.chosun.com/brd/view.html?tb=BEMIL081&pn=1&num=36381, ELTA briefed about Singapore's G550 CAEW to visiting Korean journalists, saying that the RSAF's Required Operational Capability (ROC) for the CAEW is a detection range of 150 NM. I am not entirely convinced until I see the same from other sources.
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how's the detection range compared to Israel's version? btw i thought we bought 6 G550s? how come only 4 CAEW. I think its better not to speculate until mindef goes official.
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150nm datalink is one of the ROC (required operational capability) ,its not the radar search range of the phalcon.Originally posted by gd4u:our E2C can go up to 300km, if our new stuff can detect only150NM, doesn't that translates to about 280km only ????
although i vaguely remember somewhere the radar range exceed 600km for depending on the RCS... but i cannot be sure.. its been long.
the 150nm datalink requirement is surely gonna raise an eyebrow in our region.. given the fact that i dont think there is any officially acknowledged weapon in RSAF arsenal that has such a range... even our SOW, JDAM and AMRAAM do not posess such range...
maybe for the harpoon??
our current APS-138 on the E-2C search range is stated at 463km depending on RCS.
formally... we use the APS-125 on the E-2C with a similar air search range stated as the APS-138... but with a serious penalty in surface search compared to the APS-138. -
Since when we buy stuff, nvr raise eyebrows in the region one ....Our neighbours r sure to kick a fuss about it, no doubt ... If i am not wrong, the AMRAAM can only go up to 100km only ...Originally posted by tripwire:the 150nm datalink requirement is surely gonna raise an eyebrow in our region.. given the fact that i dont think there is any officially acknowledged weapon in RSAF arsenal that has such a range... even our SOW, JDAM and AMRAAM do not posess such range... -
Seriously speaking. Does this CAEW allow us to guide AMRAAM C-5 /C-7 via its datalink?Originally posted by gd4u:Since when we buy stuff, nvr raise eyebrows in the region one ....Our neighbours r sure to kick a fuss about it, no doubt ... If i am not wrong, the AMRAAM can only go up to 100km only ...
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so wat weapon do we have that has a range of up to 280km?
with a weapon of that range... we can fire from the south china sea and hit anywhere in malaysia.... -
or we could conduct surveillance of the South China Sea's northern approaches "by left" .
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The range of the phalcon is about 400 km.
Refer to this site;
http://www.stratmag.com/issueAug-1/page03.htm
As I understand it, both the Wedgetails and the G550 were offered to the South Koreans and Aussies. The Aussies naturally went American. The South Koreans were interested in the phalcon. However the Israelis never got it cleared with the US for some component parts(? can`t remember what though) so the they went for the MESAs on the Wedgetails. The MESA has a range of about 200 NM hence the range of the Phalcon ought to be about there or better for it to be competitive.
The Israelis were not looking for a short-range solution. The `Eitam' or white eagle is a thier chieft long-range manned aircraft which they will integrate with thier unmanned drones.
Interestingly, the phalcon on the G550s is more advanced then the ones found on the Indian AEWs. I wonder how much advanced?
http://www.defense-update.com/products/n/nachshon.htm
At any rate, if you look the modules on the Indian and Chilean AEWs, they are about the same with the only difference being the aircraft frame. Nevertheless, the compact design of the G550 betrays its long range. As mentioned by the company, the plane can travel to Tokyo `non-stop'.
So, the radar is indeed better than the ones we have on the E-2Cs range-wise, capability, etc. As mentioned, i read somewhere that the array beams can fry the electronics of incoming enemy aircrafts. Does someone still have the link ? -
The EM radiation from a AESA radar is enough to kill an animal at close range. They throw out power of KW range. So yes, with something this big, you cook an animal just by aiming the radat at it at close range.Originally posted by Thrall79:The range of the phalcon is about 400 km.
Refer to this site;
http://www.stratmag.com/issueAug-1/page03.htm
As I understand it, both the Wedgetails and the G550 were offered to the South Koreans and Aussies. The Aussies naturally went American. The South Koreans were interested in the phalcon. However the Israelis never got it cleared with the US for some component parts(? can`t remember what though) so the they went for the MESAs on the Wedgetails. The MESA has a range of about 200 NM hence the range of the Phalcon ought to be about there or better for it to be competitive.
The Israelis were not looking for a short-range solution. The `Eitam' or white eagle is a thier chieft long-range manned aircraft which they will integrate with thier unmanned drones.
Interestingly, the phalcon on the G550s is more advanced then the ones found on the Indian AEWs. I wonder how much advanced?
http://www.defense-update.com/products/n/nachshon.htm
At any rate, if you look the modules on the Indian and Chilean AEWs, they are about the same with the only difference being the aircraft frame. Nevertheless, the compact design of the G550 betrays its long range. As mentioned by the company, the plane can travel to Tokyo `non-stop'.
So, the radar is indeed better than the ones we have on the E-2Cs range-wise, capability, etc. As mentioned, i read somewhere that the array beams can fry the electronics of incoming enemy aircrafts. Does someone still have the link ?