Singapore 6 Day War?
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"...Technologically advance Singapore Against their Land forces stong Malaysia."Originally posted by acwire_2125:Guys,I think you should go read one of those Malaysia's forums about this topic. It is really intereting how they put the Technologically advance Singapore Against their Land forces stong Malaysia.
I'm sorry, can you please explain this sentence? And can you name the forum? I've only been to Cari and a few "babis" there are very very offensive. Since I can't put my fist into these cowards' faces over the Internet, I decided it was better for my blood pressure not to go there. -
Well yes, of course. But the entire war will get bogged down to an urban warfare scenario, and we don't quite have the armour to deal with that just yet unless the SAF does turn the Leopard 2s we will get into urban warfare models, which is quite likely since MBTs of that size are restricted to largely open land.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Beats sitting around and waiting for an arty shell or ASTROS rocket to land on RK Eating house, pok or no pok.
But that aside, it is obvious the militaries of both nations are not stupid. All our patriotic feeling aside it is apparent that more or less it is a level fight which will ultimately boil down to which side makes the smart moves and which side makes the blunders- which is something quite remarkable (at the risk of sounding patriotic) for the little red dot because you must consider the vast size disparity between the two nations in question.
The MAF certainly isnÂ’t going to sit around and do nothing while the SAF preps for a possible forward defence, and over the years they have done a decent job of coming up with a credible challenge to this most obvious of SAF strategies. The SAF on the other hand, has also taken steps to make sure that this strategy is still a credible deterrence, and hence the balance of power is maintained.
I think when it comes down to it, itÂ’s tough to say based on the general quality of troops and equipment which side will emerge with the upper hand. It really boils down to the way the war is fought and which sideÂ’s commander makes the fatal error or brilliant move.
Is the average SAF conscript really far behind the average MAF soldier in terms of quality? I doubt so. As I have said before and will say again, I think our boys can give a fight when it comes down to it, as they have proven time and time again to other nations in exercises. And the certain Malaysians who promote the "predator race" theory are welcome to ignore this at their own peril just as the Japanese and Germans did in WW2... in any case sterotyping your opponent is already a strategic mistake of sorts.
Are the MAF really that far behind in terms of equipment? I think they have a credible answer to most of our systems. While the SAF maintains a quality overmatch, it is certainly not in terms of M1A1 Abrams vs. SaddamÂ’s stripped down 10-Camels-a-tank T-72s.
So in the end it boils down to how you fight the war, and perhaps the SAF still has a question to answer on its own part: can the scholar generals really make the proper choices when it comes down to it or will they treat war like one game of C&C?
In an urban warfare scenario, I would be hesitant to charge in even if we have the numbers as things could turn into Pyrrhic victories if we don't watch it. No sense wasting an army, winning a battle and loosing the war at the same time. Just looking at the Israeli performance is enough to give any reasonably competent commander some pause.
Surely we have counter battery fire that could neutralise arty fire? Do the Malaysians have that sort of thing at the moment? We could also look into UAVs which I would dare say be very useful for such a scenario. -
Surely we have counter battery fire that could neutralise arty fire? Do the Malaysians have that sort of thing at the moment? We could also look into UAVs which I would dare say be very useful for such a scenario.
they did. Well trained too but lack of counter jamming. -
Hmm.. have they actually procured Caesar? Among all the artillery they have, ASTROS and that are the most worrying, particularly Caesar as it is easier to reload it up compared to ASTROS.Originally posted by tankfanatic:they did. Well trained too but lack of counter jamming. -
im worried if they were under heavy jamming and cant coordinate with their army, they use preset target or leisurely blast the civillian target.
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Well, From What I have read, They claim that they could blow our air superiority with their Artillery.
Here is the websitehttp://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=42237. -
Huh? Bombard our airfields with their artillery? I doubt that will happen. They can't move their artillery without us noticing, and seriously, our airforce will be in the air before they even fire a shot. By the time they are in position, we'd use precision guided munitions to deal with that.Originally posted by acwire_2125:Well, From What I have read, They claim that they could blow our air superiority with their Artillery.
The entire battle really hinges on who moves first and without getting noticed. It is hard to move an arty battalion without us noticing anything. -
Huh? Bombard our airfields with their artillery? I doubt that will happen. They can't move their artillery without us noticing, and seriously, our airforce will be in the air before they even fire a shot. By the time they are in position, we'd use precision guided munitions to deal with that.
true.
The entire battle really hinges on who moves first and without getting noticed. It is hard to move an arty battalion without us noticing anything.
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Very true, With so many airplanes mobilised, we could trigger thier military movement. And did you know they could move their Battlion from Kelantan to Johor in 2 days through the jungle?
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don't have.........Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Hmm.. have they actually procured Caesar? Among all the artillery they have, ASTROS and that are the most worrying, particularly Caesar as it is easier to reload it up compared to ASTROS. -
From what I have read, they have 18 ASTROS with them.
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Hmm.. agree with u...Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Huh? Bombard our airfields with their artillery? I doubt that will happen. They can't move their artillery without us noticing, and seriously, our airforce will be in the air before they even fire a shot. By the time they are in position, we'd use precision guided munitions to deal with that.
The entire battle really hinges on who moves first and without getting noticed. It is hard to move an arty battalion without us noticing anything.
If they are just talking about guns, what kind of shells are the MY using?
With my limited knowledge, even if they manage to sneak their big guns close enough they are still gonna need hell lots of shells to really take out all our airfields... RSAF don't park the aircrafts like we park in open carpark right?
It will be a different story if the artillery is refering to their ASTRO.. but our few airbases are spread across a few locations on the island. Do they have enough rockets and launchers to target all at the same time?
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So? They can be spotted through satellite imagery or UAV. Even with all that camouflage, it is obvious the artillery has to move through parts of the jungle with obvious dirt paths. If by anything, it is going to be hard for anybody on both sides of the causeway to mobilise easily without anyone noticing.Originally posted by acwire_2125:Very true, With so many airplanes mobilised, we could trigger thier military movement. And did you know they could move their Battlion from Kelantan to Johor in 2 days through the jungle?
And also, there's such thing as intelligence services. -
Well, Malaysian I would say are not very informed about their own military tactics.
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astross yes but not caesarOriginally posted by acwire_2125:From what I have read, they have 18 ASTROS with them. -
If i am msia commander I will station my sniper near yishun, jurong , CCK , Eunos highrise bldg , so i can shoot down when they take off or landing
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So? They can be spotted through satellite imagery or UAV. Even with all that camouflage, it is obvious the artillery has to move through parts of the jungle with obvious dirt paths. If by anything, it is going to be hard for anybody on both sides of the causeway to mobilise easily without anyone noticing.
i dont think so... see the achievement of israeli detection satelit and uav. MAF also have implement radar absorbing and thermal evading paint on their equipment. Added to that i ve seen most of their equipment have that radar absorbing net. They really go to great length to hide their equipment, i tell you.
And also, there's such thing as intelligence services -
Well, Malaysian I would say are not very informed about their own military tactics.
dont asume that. Its dangerous. Unless you mean their civilian? -
If i am msia commander I will station my sniper near yishun, jurong , CCK , Eunos highrise bldg , so i can shoot down when they take off or landing
infact their sniper were trained to do that. they learned this from the serbs. -
UAVs, come with cameras. Also, isn't it not difficult to spot a dirt track?Originally posted by tankfanatic:i dont think so... see the achievement of israeli detection satelit and uav. MAF also have implement radar absorbing and thermal evading paint on their equipment. Added to that i ve seen most of their equipment have that radar absorbing net. They really go to great length to hide their equipment, i tell you.
Do we have similar equipment? -
Hahaha...all discussing about first strike...
What about covert actions that take place before a real war is started? These "unseen" forces can really hurt you at sensitive places...
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Both Sg and Msia has this unseen forces depend who can wreck more havoc liaoOriginally posted by Cro-Magnon:Hahaha...all discussing about first strike...
What about covert actions that take place before a real war is started? These "unseen" forces can really hurt you at sensitive places... -
Overconfidence will result in mistakes.
If there's anything that's certain in war, it is this... -
Originally posted by moca:
Constant vigilance too.
[b]Overconfidence will result in mistakes.
If there's anything that's certain in war, it is this...[/b] -
Hmm I believe that we can mobilise major troops during National Day Period. Then attack after National Day, 10 August. This troop movement during National Day period would not alarm them at all.