Singapore 6 Day War?
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Firstly there will not be a war! At least if there is one it will not come as a surprise.
There is too much foreign investment and treaties involved. Whoever that attacks will have to consider the implications on their own economy too.
Secondly, countries in the past, attack only where their survivial is threaten. However in current context, no country will have economy gain even if they win.
Thirdly, if our potential enemies really get together and attack, SG will unveil their most powerful weapon. It's actually hidden in one of our centralise reservoirs. All those material about newwater, etc etc is just a cover, so that we can do "renovation" works on the resevoir, but the truth is we are constructing the new weapon. Anyone know what is it?
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In answer to some points:
1. the Malaysians are our friends, not enemies.
2. why we always consider our north and south neighbours to be a threat?
There could be war because Malaysia has a change of government to, say.... an extremist Islamic regime. Ditto for Indonesia.
So there is no guaranteed friendship in answer to point no. 1.
In answer to point no. 2, wars are fought between neighbours most of the time. If you are too far away, you normally don't even quarrel, let alone fight.
Of coursethere are exceptions, but you know what I mean. -
More so ever in the future. The cost is too high for any rogue government to wage war on each other.Originally posted by tankfanatic:any way i always thought malaysian as allies not enemy. Its just stupid.
Frankly, I believe we need to work more with them, and improve our interoperatibility. -
If Islamic extremists become a real threat, they will be limited to the north. I doubt they have the political ability to control the Federal Government, but they might draw their support from the Pattani chaps.Originally posted by moca:In answer to some points:
1. the Malaysians are our friends, not enemies.
2. why we always consider our north and south neighbours to be a threat?
There could be war because Malaysia has a change of government to, say.... an extremist Islamic regime. Ditto for Indonesia.
So there is no guaranteed friendship in answer to point no. 1.
In answer to point no. 2, wars are fought between neighbours most of the time. If you are too far away, you normally don't even quarrel, let alone fight.
Of coursethere are exceptions, but you know what I mean.
An escalation of violence in Southern Thailand, and the potential for this Pattani nationalist movement to work together with Al-Qaeda affilates should be the real problem we should keep a look out for. -
Let`s develope this further..urm..and add a bit of logic to it. The closeness of countries in this region means that surprise is something they would have to dispense with. Speed means more. And in that regard, we can certainly mobilise faster than any of the countries here. Much much faster. Since you must certainly have been in the SAF, you will know the time which we would need to mobilize to start moving north.
hhmm...lets develop a more complex view for discussion sake ..Lets see......
We may not be able to get element of surprise.
first we are small island so lack of depth to hide if we enmass forces chances is that enemy will know. If we fly, southern island early warning system will detect. So to over come the element of surprise. You need elite forces to blow up what needs to be blow up. You need some troops to be in these island so that whatever forces in the island will not post a threat to mainland sing.
Let`s see what have we got. Will the southern flank be unprotected? Obviously not. Can the navy prevent a southern invasion assuming they(Indons) have the capability to invade(transport) in the first place(which they dont) while supporting the northward thrust. The answer is a resounding `yes'.
Before moving northward you need to content with the south. It is reasonable to assume that 3rd party will parachute to JB to support its friends. Done it before on our national day.
It is also reasonable to assume that we need to protect southern flank before pushing north. So you would need Navy to block the south to prevent reinforcement.
And to tell you the truth, it is not reasonable to assume that Indonesia would assist Malaysia in an event of a conflict. I do not discount the possibility of some fanatical groups in Indonesia using the event to rally thier cause. But for a 3rd party to go to war for another country`s sake is another matter? For starters, there is not even a treaty or alliance between the two countries. In fact, there are friction and suspicion between the two as far as territories are concerned. The other question which begs to be answered is whether Indonesia has the capability and resources to go to war. Answer:No. This would be sacrificing decades of growth.
Further, we saying that indonesia would get involve is tantamount to saying the US would get involve and we all know how that will end.
Now, this does not make sense. The RSAF has more jets than both two countries combined. Secondly, just about how many equipment can they surge at a moment`s notice given thier smallish air-forces and poor maintanence. We only have ten fingers. For example, can Malaysia put all 8 hornets in the air at a moment`s notice. Again, the answer is a no.
While all these are happening. RSAF will be contented with Migs29, Hawk, SU30. with R-77 (that is if they are maintained and trained) to gain air superior in the first day of war. hopfully they expand their R-77 to our F-5 and not on our F-16. If they will try to take out our airborne early warning. That will be devastated as first see first Kill will be out.
Up till now, the RMAF is not known to possess the R-77 yet. Secondly, the Russians are known to up the ante on the actual capabilities of thier equipment. This is as opposed to the Americans who prefer to state actual performance and with combat experience to boot. Just look at the development cycle of the Amraam.
The `mothballed' Migs do not carry R-77 without modifications. The Hawk trainers definitely do not carry R-77s. The same goes for the Hornets. It will be a turkey shoot if the RMAF goes up against the RSAF.
And why on earth would a fighter jet see an AEW/AWACs aircraft first? The latter won`t be flying alone. And they will be guiding other friendly jets in the skies as well.
Ah..another one of the ridiculous Astross argument. Why? For lack any better points or more accurately equipment I suppose. The Astross cannot be used as an element of surprise. You would need to mobilize the rest of the armed forces first so there goes the surprise and since Singapore mobilizes faster than you can group your forces, the Astross would be long gone since. The Singaporean invasion would already have started. Imagine driving your Astross within range and firing without mobilizing the MAF. Does not make sense does it? The RSAF would be destroying any and every critical element of the MAF at the mere sign of war.
while all these are happening, Astros will be raining down on our enmass forces given that they might already know where we hide. But we might not be able to take out their astros because it is beyond our artillary range. What is left is our air forces to conduct search and destroy their launches. [quote]
And why on earth would we be using artillery to take out artillery when we have other long range weapons? In the first place, the Malaysian Astross rockets are <40 km. And what are hardened bases, hangars, etc for? To protect critical equipment. Today`s military runaways can be removed and replaced in no time. Lastly, I need not stress more. These are rockets and not pin-point accurate missiles.
Why would it be a D-day style seaborne assault? Just hop to the straits of Johor or take a look at the map. That river can be crossed in no time. And with Singapore controlling the air, there will be minimum resistance as well.
In the mids of all these activities you need to launch D-day style seaborne assult on the north.
You think SAF command and logistics is strong enough to support 2 front?
once element of suprise is gone i think it will take more than 6 days to wrap up.
I have already answered your point about having a two front war. Anyway, you have unwittingly summed up the main issue here. The MAF is totally out-gunned and out-numbered that the only viable scenario would be for it to drag someone else into its war with Singapore. So, thank you very much. -
ha ha ha wow you wrote like a career forum reply person. In any case i think you read too much into this. There has been a lot of assumption to make up a 6 days war. Usually when i am in a situation full of unknown, I would prefer to consider what if rather than simplified the know.Originally posted by Thrall79:Why would it be a D-day style seaborne assault? Just hop to the straits of Johor or take a look at the map. That river can be crossed in no time. And with Singapore controlling the air, there will be minimum resistance as well.
I have already answered your point about having a two front war. Anyway, you have unwittingly summed up the main issue here. The MAF is totally out-gunned and out-numbered that the only viable scenario would be for it to drag someone else into its war with Singapore. So, thank you very much. -
Well, countries have been known to go to war over the slightest things. And there are things that might lead to limited armed conflict that might, or might not boil over to a full out conflict.
But maybe the old, massive spark of hostilities scenario might be a tad simplistic, and somewhat more in the lines of what we expect to see in the Middle East with the Arab league versus Israel. To spark off a war in that way right here involves needing to cut off a lot of business ties, as well as several other bilateral pacts before things can rally get down to the tooth and nail, and quite suddenly as well.
However canÂ’t discount the possibility that a radical regime might take over our neighbours, so never say never.
My speculation would be that both nations are going to take several hits if a conflict ever breaks out. I do not think Malaysia would waste its ASTROs barrages indiscriminately on Singaporean civilian targets in the opening hours of the conflict (considering the lifespan of the launchers after they have expended their munitions could be measured in minutes), so the SAF will be bearing the brunt of the steel rain.
The MAF priority of course, would be to disable the RSAF with their arty as much as they can while the SAFÂ’s notion would be to counter battery and support the SAF advance as well.
If there was enough time for tensions to build up, the MAF would have mobilized forces to defend Johor in depth, so there will be no easy landing for the SAF there. On the other hand it puts their forces in range of SG arty. If it was a race to get mobilized (in the event of sudden hostilities), then most likely the Malaysians will have to concede Johor.
The SAF priority would obviously be to capture Johor first, and then push up as far as their resources will allow. On how this will turn out will be a matter of speculation as it will depend on the tactical brilliance and overall strategy of both sides. The MAF priority would be to contain the SAF, and inflict as much damage to SingaporeÂ’s economy and the like as much as possible as prolonged conflict would be much less acceptable to the island state then Malaysia.
So we donÂ’t really know how itÂ’ll turn out. All we can say that given our equipment and training, with a fair amount of smart fighting the Malaysians obviously have a serious potential foe to worry about if the stuff ever hits the fan, and of course the MAF are no easy meat either.
So all in all I would rather we not start anything stupid at all.
But can sum it up as this:
SAF priority:
Utilitize technological and force advantage to capture Johor and establish foothold in Southern Malaysia, limit damage to the main island and try to get the opponent to sue for peace.
MAF priority:
Contain the SAF, neutralize and draw the conflict out to a war of attrition. Neutralize SAF technological and force advantage through use of terrain and asymmetrical tactics.
OF course you fight to win for your side, but this is how all the cards are laid out I suppose. -
Of course, another scenario would probably no involve direct warÂ… but what would Singapore do if (letÂ’s say touch wood), a radicalised Malaysia decides to annex Brunei as well as other disputed territories.
In Tom ClancyÂ’s Marine, the USMC comes in guns blazing to crush the MAF, typical Clancyland American propaganda styleÂ… but I wonder how it will actually pan out for the region. -
You are right to consider Thailand. I think Thailand's political decision has far reaching consequences affecting Singapore and Malaysia.Originally posted by LazerLordz:If Islamic extremists become a real threat, they will be limited to the north. I doubt they have the political ability to control the Federal Government, but they might draw their support from the Pattani chaps.
An escalation of violence in Southern Thailand, and the potential for this Pattani nationalist movement to work together with Al-Qaeda affilates should be the real problem we should keep a look out for.
From historical event most unfortunately Siam political decision has impact Singapore the most. Starting from Parameswara during the Srivijaya empire to the WWII its association with Japan and allow its forces to land. It has somewhat indirectly led to invasion of Singapore. as much as they did not throw rock at Singapore. With the coup and the persistant of violence in southern thailand Singapore need to observe how this is going to evolve. -
If they are rogue government, then they don't use rationale that we do. Wars are waged for their political purpose, at all costs. The agentina government took the risk of a war with the British to avert attention on their domestic problem, and they had war which they really did not expect.Originally posted by LazerLordz:More so ever in the future. The cost is too high for any rogue government to wage war on each other.
Frankly, I believe we need to work more with them, and improve our interoperatibility.
The building up of a strong defence force was a key pillar to the building of a modern Singapore. We went all the way to ask the Eygptian and the Indian government to help us, they refused. In the end, we had the israelis and the ROC coming to our rescue. Surely we knew then that by engaging the israelis, our neighbors would not be happy, we went ahead. Why?
Has the situation then changed, over these years? In our attempt to work closely with all neighbors, especially the north, we suffered great losses in the CLOB issue, the economic triangle involving Johore, Singapore and Bataam ended up with nothing, we had to pay to help the singaporean factories in JB to ship via singapore instead of Port Klang, then we now have competition from Pelapas, no more sand, no more airspace, higher water prices, crooked bridge.......
The fundamental issues that existed in the 60s remains...it is ok, to each his own, but it needs two hands to clap, we had tried to work with them, had they tried to work with us??? what do you think people like mahathir, and abdul gani would do if he had his way? don't tell me they are people of no significance.
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but it is too far fetch to assume that the Royal Thai Army would march all the way through Malay pennisular to fight a war with Singapore in Johore.Originally posted by Arapahoe:You are right to consider Thailand. I think Thailand's political decision has far reaching consequences affecting Singapore and Malaysia.
From historical event most unfortunately Siam political decision has impact Singapore the most. Starting from Parameswara during the Srivijaya empire to the WWII its association with Japan and allow its forces to land. It has somewhat indirectly led to invasion of Singapore. as much as they did not throw rock at Singapore. With the coup and the persistant of violence in southern thailand Singapore need to observe how this is going to evolve. -
To start a war bet MY & SG is as simple as Turning of the water tap off.
We still have two Water Treaty which end in 2011 & 2061. IRRC.
Can our top commanders stay calm in the event of war? Can they really lead?
People reacts differently when the 1st bullet flys pass.
What if SAF's plan did not go on as smoothly as they've expect? High casualties in the opening days? Can our Commanders still keep their composure & think properly? Or just send in more men blindly & get them killed?
Why i asked these?
Becos i've such Commander in my reservist unit.
During our excerise(luckily only an excerise), When the fighting starts, & one of our defensive post was overrun, he just ordered all men from other posts to reinforce, all of us were sent directly into the fighting zone w/o proper identify the positions of our enemies. One by one, each section & platoon, were KIA.
Meanwhile leaving the other flanks wide open for enemy to just walk into the command post. My commander was lost after 1/3 of his men is KIA, he just stare blindly & didnt know what to do.
To note: My section was ordered to charge in, w/o knowing where the enemies were, imagine my entire section proned down just infront of the enemy's front line.. hahaha... 'killed' instantly w/o firing a shot. Same goes to other most other sections.
We may have the best equipments, but are we prepared mentally & are our commanders competent? None of them have real combat experience & seen his men died. The sight of war may just scare the hell out of some of them.
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I am talking of the possibility that we and Malaysia may have to be on alert if the Southern Thailand violence turns from mere nationalism into a battlefield where Al-Qaeda-like groups may come in and take advantage of it to create more chaos.Originally posted by sgdiehard:but it is too far fetch to assume that the Royal Thai Army would march all the way through Malay pennisular to fight a war with Singapore in Johore. -
Astros hits 40Km. that's the minimum dude. Dont know if they have the 60/80km rockets.
And to the guy who worry about commanders, you see some, i see some. I have faith what my commanders can do.. I worry what theirs can do.
It's easy to assume a 100% vs 70% .
Have you seen a 70% vs 120% senario? Sheesh, that got my worrying. but we can pull through...if we do the right move.
Why 70%? Ask all those rich $&*%^ who smell gas and zhao to elsewhere with their money already. -
There are 2 options.
One, we take Johor and then solidify our positions. I seriously doubt we can push beyond Johor without overtaxing our supply lines and also hope to fight back a M'sian counterattack.
Two, we do a blitz and march so fast up the peninsular to KL that we catch them with so much surprise that we trap the political leadership and force them to sue for peace.
The latter is the most risky but certainly the most beneficial.
Of course, to be honest, there's too much risk to be certain we can even hope to fight for more than a day. One slip and we will come crumbling.
Plus, the other option for them is to do blockade. They don't need to do it at Singapore itself, but as far up as Penang. We will be in deep shit regardless. -
I don;t forsee Royal Thai would march down. But its indecision from the past affected Singapore security.Originally posted by sgdiehard:but it is too far fetch to assume that the Royal Thai Army would march all the way through Malay pennisular to fight a war with Singapore in Johore.
The coup has diminish Singapore foreign policy sphere of influence. Globalization has hit a stall in Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. These 3 states seemed to be moving into a inward looking society.
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i think the only reason to have to cross the strait is to go all the way to KL and have a political settlement. We have no reason to hold in JB ?Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:There are 2 options.
One, we take Johor and then solidify our positions. I seriously doubt we can push beyond Johor without overtaxing our supply lines and also hope to fight back a M'sian counterattack.
Two, we do a blitz and march so fast up the peninsular to KL that we catch them with so much surprise that we trap the political leadership and force them to sue for peace.
The latter is the most risky but certainly the most beneficial.
Of course, to be honest, there's too much risk to be certain we can even hope to fight for more than a day. One slip and we will come crumbling.
Plus, the other option for them is to do blockade. They don't need to do it at Singapore itself, but as far up as Penang. We will be in deep shit regardless. -
Yes...Originally posted by LazerLordz:I am talking of the possibility that we and Malaysia may have to be on alert if the Southern Thailand violence turns from mere nationalism into a battlefield where Al-Qaeda-like groups may come in and take advantage of it to create more chaos.
"Islamisation" is supposed to be spreading through SE Asia, according to a copy of TIME or Newsweek magazine I can't remember. This was especially so in Indonesia - the world's biggest Muslim population - where muslims are beginning to see Islamic way of life as a solution to their problems and Imans are becoming more rhetorical and powerful.
In MY, some northern states are already Islamic, and historically, these trends have a way of spreading rather than recede.
So as we can see, the northern states of MY, the Thai-MY border, and the southern parts of Thailand are already becoming - or have the potential to become - a hotbed of Islamic rebellion activity.
The now very violent Muslim rebellion in Thailand will only serve to polarise Muslim sentiments around SE Asia, especially in Malaysia. As it is, there are already suspicions of collaboration between the Thai Muslims and the MY Muslims.
While we are friends with the current KL government, no one can predict even tomorrow what will happen. Look at Thailand, our former closest friend in SE Asia. It all seemed to have fallen apart just because someone else took power.
All the more we have to be ever wary of MY and Indonesia, where relations had depended entirely upon who was in charge.
But I don't have to convince anyone here of the danger.
Just look at how Singapore ISA treated our very own JI detainees.
They let them go.
I don't disagree that this is necessarily a bad move, but it just shows that the SG government is trying so hard to nip this thing in the bud that it is even prepared to be creative in its approach.
For a regime that used to jail communists for life without trial, why are they treating the JI with kid gloves?
Fear.
They know what's brewing out there just beyond our waters.
I feel that a big showdown with Islamic extremism is not unlikely. Just a matter of when and where and how it will affect SG. -
go deeper we have to change the discussion thread.
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Someone said we would never have to fight KL.Originally posted by Arapahoe:go deeper we have to change the discussion thread.
I am painting the scenario why this may not be our choice. -
I managed to cut off this discussion from other source, I cannot verify the validity but here for reference, just in case I get shot at again. ha ha haOriginally posted by moca:Someone said we would never have to fight KL.
I am painting the scenario why this may not be our choice.
Army is organised into 4 area commands (divisions) numbering 1 to 4. Each division is commanded by a jeneral or mejar jeneral (Maj-Gen). 1st division is based in East Malaysia. The rest are in Peninsular or West Malaysia.
Each division comprises 3 brigades. Brigades number 1 to 12. Each brigade is commanded by a brig-jeneral (Brig-Gen). My understanding of allocation is as follows:
1st Division = 3, 5 and 9 Inf Bde
2nd Division = 2, 6 and 8 Inf Bde
3rd Division = 1 and 7 Inf Bde, 4 Mech Bde
4th Division = 11 and 12 Inf Bde, 10 Para Bde
Each brigade has a complement of approx 4,500 men.
Each Brigade normally comprises 3 regiments. Each regiment is normally commanded by a Kolonel or Lt Kol. Regiments are generally of 2 types, Regimen Ranger Diraja (or Royal Ranger Regiment) and Regimen Askar Melayu Diraja (or Royal Malay Regiment). Abbreviations are normally RRR and RAMD. Each Regimen are battalion sized formations and normally designated as Malbatt (or Malaysian battalion) in UN operations.
RRR number 1 to 10. RAMD number 1 to 25.
4 Mech Bde comprises 7 RRR, 12 and 19 RAMD all of which are mechanised.
10 Para Bde comprises 8 RRR, 9 and 17 RAMD all of which are para formations.
There are also 3 groups (regiment-sized) of special forces. These number 11, 21 and 22. Groups are known as Grup Gerak Khas (or Special Forces groups). I think there is also a Pasukan Khas Laut (Abbr: Paskal) which is a special naval force. There is also a Regimen TUDM under the air force.
There are 5 Armor regiments belonging to the Korp Armor Diraja or Royal Armour Corp. Regiment numbers 1 to 4 and 11. 1 KAD is assigned to 4 Mech Bde. A separate squadron 1 (subset of regimen) comprising Scorpion ACV is assigned to 10 Para Bde.
There are also 16 Artillery regiments. Regimens are known as regimen artillery diraja or Royal Artillery regiments. Each regiment is believed have 3 Batteries. Assumed to be split between 2 Med Arty, 7 Fld Arty, 1 MRL, 4 AD, 1 Arty loc and 1 UAV. Identified numbers include 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 21, 22, 31, 32, 34 and 51. 51 RAD is assigned the Astros MRL and is also believed to be assigned to 3 Div at Gemas. The 155mm G5 is believed to be assigned to 21 and 22 RAD. 31 RAD is believed to be assigned the Banshee 400 UAV. 34 RAD is believed to be assigned the Jernas.
Reserves are known as Regimen Askar Wataniah (or Territorial Army regiments). These are segregated into 300 and 500 series regimens. 500 series regimen number 501 to 516. There is normally 1 per state except for Sarawak and Sabah which have 2. Series 300 numbers start from 301. There was supposed to be some reorg of AW regiments.
The army is supported by several other corps such as the signal corp and has an army air wing (A109H and Mi17s).
Principal equipment are as follows:
ACV: 48 PT91M (w 28 tank transporters), 26 Scorpions, 186 Sibmas, 140 AML60/90s and 92 Ferrets.
APC/MICV (incl non-combat variants): 111 KIFV, 211 Adnan, 184 V100/150, 25 Stormer, 452 Condor, 37 M3
Arty (non-AA): 130-200 105mm Model 56, 12 FH70s, 28 G5 Mk 3, 18 Astros and 81mm mortars. 18 L119s 105mm (not confirmed)
ATGW: Eryx, Baktar Shikens, Metis-M RPG7s, Carl Gustav and RCL. Some sources include AT-7 Saxhorn and Milan 2T.
SAM: Jernas/Starburst/Rapier, Anza Mk II, SA-18 Igla (one source puts it as SA-16 but unlikely).
(i) Edited to delete "Royal" from Malaysian Army. - 17 Aug 06
(ii) Deleted "I think 4 RAMD is also a Gurkha regiment." - 17 Aug 06
(iii) Added "Each regiment is normally commanded by a Kolonel or Lt Kol." - 17 Aug 06 -
if any war were to break out i'm pretty confident singapore will acheive total air superiority very quickly. also, i think we should also consider the fact that nations such as the US will intervene to help us as singapore is a very important trading partner to many great nations around the world.
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Well, countries have been known to go to war over the slightest things. And there are things that might lead to limited armed conflict that might, or might not boil over to a full out conflict.
agree.But maybe the old, massive spark of hostilities scenario might be a tad simplistic, and somewhat more in the lines of what we expect to see in the Middle East with the Arab league versus Israel. To spark off a war in that way right here involves needing to cut off a lot of business ties, as well as several other bilateral pacts before things can rally get down to the tooth and nail, and quite suddenly as well.
agreeHowever canÂ’t discount the possibility that a radical regime might take over our neighbours, so never say never.
if that happen there would be less possibality of war with them because they would definately eradicate the radical first, either by conducting another COIN or civil war. Either way they will win as they did with the comunist. Come to think of it we probably will came and help them fighting the radical instead of fighting them.My speculation would be that both nations are going to take several hits if a conflict ever breaks out. I do not think Malaysia would waste its ASTROs barrages indiscriminately on Singaporean civilian targets in the opening hours of the conflict (considering the lifespan of the launchers after they have expended their munitions could be measured in minutes), so the SAF will be bearing the brunt of the steel rain.
there were a lot of artillery and from my experience with their army they know how to use it and utillies the geographical advantage to evade our jet. The serbs have done that with the american. and i have confirmation that MAF change their doctrine when they learned how the serbs spoof allied air superiority.The MAF priority of course, would be to disable the RSAF with their arty as much as they can while the SAFÂ’s notion would be to counter battery and support the SAF advance as well.
agreeIf there was enough time for tensions to build up, the MAF would have mobilized forces to defend Johor in depth, so there will be no easy landing for the SAF there. On the other hand it puts their forces in range of SG arty. If it was a race to get mobilized (in the event of sudden hostilities), then most likely the Malaysians will have to concede Johor.
try to read some of their so called 'quick march test' competition or the brigade level 'offroad challenge', you can see that they able to march the entire brigade in two days all the way from kelantan to johor with minimal damage to their equipment..... inside the cover of the jungle.The SAF priority would obviously be to capture Johor first, and then push up as far as their resources will allow. On how this will turn out will be a matter of speculation as it will depend on the tactical brilliance and overall strategy of both sides. The MAF priority would be to contain the SAF, and inflict as much damage to SingaporeÂ’s economy and the like as much as possible as prolonged conflict would be much less acceptable to the island state then Malaysia.
agreeSo we donÂ’t really know how itÂ’ll turn out. All we can say that given our equipment and training, with a fair amount of smart fighting the Malaysians obviously have a serious potential foe to worry about if the stuff ever hits the fan, and of course the MAF are no easy meat either.
ive seen their training. Lets just keep the battle in the air ok.So all in all I would rather we not start anything stupid at all.
agreeSAF priority:
try to completely destroyed an important strategic asset such as refinery and threatened to destroy other strategic asset, they might negotiate (i doubt it)
Utilitize technological and force advantage to capture Johor and establish foothold in Southern Malaysia, limit damage to the main island and try to get the opponent to sue for peace.MAF priority:
if we learned enough geography we will know that its a defender heaven. Too many small hills and dense secondary jungle a perfect ambush country.... and seing the way our SAF climb hills during an attack.....
Contain the SAF, neutralize and draw the conflict out to a war of attrition. Neutralize SAF technological and force advantage through use of terrain and asymmetrical tactics.OF course you fight to win for your side, but this is how all the cards are laid out I suppose.
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we dont have to do an invasion at all. maybe just ocupied JB (its an urban jungle, an advantage to us) and use the air force to destroy strategic target and force negotiation. Assuming their air force were really that bad. -
If we don't hold JB, M'sia can just waste all their arty ammunition on us.Originally posted by Arapahoe:i think the only reason to have to cross the strait is to go all the way to KL and have a political settlement. We have no reason to hold in JB ?