BUTT face to the pride of malaysia PT-91M?
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i was going through some old thread.. and.. i suddenly realize that all the malaysians in the photo are butt facing their their national pride... their newest PT-91M tank!
but then again... i gotta admit.. nobody likes to smell a tank fart! -
thanks for posting but no thanks. This is a sgforum. Maybe you should post at malaysiaforum?
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well one of the reason u don't rev high at low speeds.
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cant see pic leh and what's butt facing?
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owner removed the pic liow mah....
must be too embarassing.. or server down? 
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let me put up a new one... for those who missed it...
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people not interested in their tank
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the point here aint in their tanks... its the mass butting...Originally posted by beavan:people not interested in their tank -
If you guys want to know more , read the comment by Polish tank commander posted by Xerovix in the new MN forum , which was orginally from this thread in Militaryphoto forum which orginally from a Polish forum:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86408&page=4
Question:
How can you compare the armour of Leo-2A4, PT-91 and T-72M1
Answer:
It's not really comparable. I was talking with a friend who was taking part in shootings to an armour covered with ERAWA (polish reactive armour. It didn't stand any chance against APFSDS, against HEAT it was much better. I had a couple of pics from the German shooting range, after the shooting a T-72. It's funny but in Germany you're not allowed to use combat APFSDS because of it's range, so they used some training APFSDS. The tank was shoot apart no matter on the place of hit/impact. The shape of the tank has completely no
meaning so there's no ricochetting (spell?) about which I was taught as a tanker for years, in the most round places the shelles went throught the tank (in and out).
Question Leo2A4 has a better power to weight ratio, how does it look in practice?
Answer
Also uncomparable. Acceleration, breaking, mobility on the pitholed road in hard terrain are couple of times better than ours "t" series tanks. Two examples. In 2002 we used ours WZT2 based on PT-91 underpinnings. We had the same training ground as the Leos and the Wzt which is lighter because it has no turret was far behind the Leos. It was possible to go faster because it was enough power but the suspension gave up. The second I was driving a Leo in a light terrain (sandy) 65km/h.
Question:
How can you compare the accuracy of Leo-2A4 to PT-91 and T-72M1?
Answer:
There's no need to talk about T-72. As for PT-91 it had something called by the producer "floating/wandering (?) point of impact". Someone want to ask more about accuracy? Leo with a good trained crew can destroy a target that appeard in his sector in 14-16 seconds. No PT-91 or T-72 could do that, maybe by a chance.
Question:
Can you compare the ammunition of Leo-2A4 to the PT-91/T-71M1?
Answer:
The basic purpose of a tank is a fight against other tank and this is what the APFSDS is the best for. The APFSDS of the T-72 is restricted in lenght so it's restricted in armour penetration (two-parts ammo). Leo doesn't have such problems. The PT ammo has better velocity but it's not as effective. The plus for the PT is the HE round. We didn't recieved the HE rounds yet for the Leo.
Question:
Couple of questions regarding the FCS
- minimum and maximum range that are automaticly entered
- max. speed of the target
- max. perpendicular wind speed
- time of recalculating correction
- air temperature
Answer:
- range is 200-9990m (above 4000 fire is blocked)
- it depends of the turret angle speed and target range (possible to hit a target running at 65km/h)
- realtime (for me unnoticable)
- air temp is entered manually
- windspeed is entered manually, the maximum value I was entering was 15 m/s more is not needed but I can check it.
Question:
How the practical rate of fire looks like compared to T-72 autoloader. Is live loader faster? And is he an advantage or disadvantage.
Answer
In theory the PT-91 auto is faster. Good manual loader makes 4 rounds in 20 sec. Autoloader is very unreliable. It has the ability to jam and than the fight with an "alien" begins.
Question:
How often do you use laser rangefinder. Is it useful in times when more and more tanks has systems similar to OBRA (automatic smoke grenade launcher when laser detected)?
Answer:
We use it always before the fire. And as for OBRA it's not useful as in the very second the shell is on it's way. OBRA is more useful against other sources lighetning the target. In modern battlefield there will be so many laser beams OBRA can fool the crew and FCS itself. -
Originally posted by tripwire:let me put up a new one... for those who missed it...
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lol so much smoke.... if that were me i ran.
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PT-91M tank Main differences between the PT-91M and T-72: - S-1000R engine (1000hp) with Renk transmission (WZM, Poland) - SAVAN-15 FCS (SAGEM, France) - PCO's SSP-1 OBRA-3 automated laser-warning system and other optical equipment; (Poland) - Erawa-2 ERA (Poland) - Ceramic components in modified turret from PT-91A1 - Konstrukta 2A46MS gun (Slovakia, gun used in T72M2 "Moderna") - New main gun stabilization - Thales PR4G radios - Thales SOTAS intercom - Browning M2 HMG
source from: http://picasaweb.google.com/wojsko.polskie/PT91/photo#5050637143246815410 -
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Handsome vehicle indeed
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Did they accidentally set off the smoke dischargers or what?!?!
As for the T-72, the tank really was some mass produced machine for Warsaw pact members etc. and most of them didn't quite get the top of the line Soviet equipment like DU rounds etc. The real armored fist was the T-80U. -
No lar you suddenly accelerate any engine you will also get things like that.
Dont forget the bigger the engine the more smoke naturally. It's a tank it's pretty normal heh.
And dont put down the Pt-91, look at the newest picture. Let me ask you , as infantry where would you put your matador? Think about whether we can even counter them not "chey they cmi".
Oh yeah please dont tell me you see this you will zhao. If you are in defense position how? Think also. If you zhao you will probably be mged down in the back too and demoralise all your buddies next to you. So look where you can shoot and have a chance.
I know i talk bullcrap but i mean well!
I'm still thinking for my own situation. Headache ah. -
Er... Matador? You use a Spike for this tank.Originally posted by CM06:No lar you suddenly accelerate any engine you will also get things like that.
Dont forget the bigger the engine the more smoke naturally. It's a tank it's pretty normal heh.
And dont put down the Pt-91, look at the newest picture. Let me ask you , as infantry where would you put your matador? Think about whether we can even counter them not "chey they cmi".
Oh yeah please dont tell me you see this you will zhao. If you are in defense position how? Think also. If you zhao you will probably be mged down in the back too and demoralise all your buddies next to you. So look where you can shoot and have a chance.
I know i talk bullcrap but i mean well!
I'm still thinking for my own situation. Headache ah. -
You think we got spike down to platoon level meh? Matador is on hand. Spike isnt.
where to host a pic ah?
I asked because i dont know how to host one. But i edited the picture to tell you guys what part is what part. Need help heh. I go ask SG tyran. -
And if you miss the vital areas, you waste a good missile. Heck, even one of the RPG-27/29s will probably do a better job than that. The only area I can think of is hitting the engine (which is difficult), or the tracks (just as difficult.)Originally posted by CM06:You think we got spike down to platoon level meh? Matador is on hand. Spike isnt.
where to host a pic ah?
I asked because i dont know how to host one. But i edited the picture to tell you guys what part is what part. Need help heh. I go ask SG tyran.
No, you get people armed with Spike to fight a tank like this. YOu don't fight it with Matador. You hide and just maybe strike the tracks or something. -
if really no choice, just shoot off ur matador at the tank, then run off into the bushes and try to hide and report to higher HQ so that they can take care of the problem. at least you have a lighter load.
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i doubt this tank will do much mad rush towards defensive position, MAF tank doctrine were mostly ambush, but that doesnt meant it wont happen. If the commander saw the opportunity he would be happy to use it for counterattack.
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i thought armour doctrine was always meant to attack?
i know a delay mission is possible, but i do feel that to maximise the power of armour units, they need to be swift and attack and punch through to destroy the enemies (aka singapore's) supply train? -
There's no way a MATADOR can take this out from the front, especially with the ERA covering it. Even a Spike might be of questionable effect on it.
Best shot? Switch your MATADOR to bunker busting mode and aim for the tracks, or go for a flank or rear shot in the none ERA parts with the HEAT mode. Unless you are a brain surgeon with the LAW, I doubt you can hurt it much.
In any case if you have nothing to counter it and it's coming at you, to stick around would be sucide... as it has always been with infantry vs. tanks. -
Spike will have no problem. Matador ...you must know where to shoot. It's a 90 mm round afterall.
