Digital Camo?
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I kinda agree that camouflage is still the greatest importance not differentialtion.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:I think if your cammies look alike is not really going to matter much in the fog of war.
Of course having greatly different cammies help, but then again I think doing it simply for helping to tell friend from foe probably isn't factored in that much when choosing what to wear... how well it hides you and how well it works as a field uniform are probably higher considerations.
And if it's low light, I think whatever the camo pattern is not gonna matter. The entire silhouette also matter greatly in ID Friend or Foe. -
I 100% don't understand the mozzie part..Originally posted by Rockhound:yala..new uniforms require sewing..very sian for ppl with loadsa badges..
i am quite against the mozzie proof idea...
mozzies evolve fast u noe..
so wat happens if a soldier is in garrison wear in an overseas camp?..
anywaes...i see it as SAFs stingy way of cutting back costs...
onli singapore used the old meloprim tablets in the world..
even sri lanka used a much more costlier but better malaria pill...
meloprim caused a death or 2...not good for the liver as wat my MO used to say..
when i orded in feb..they were using mefloquine instead...
Normal No. 4 is already mozzie proof. How can mosquito get thru the cloth?
Even if can get thru the cloth, in the future, the mosquito cannot get thru the cloth due to it being "mozzie proof", don't you have exposed areas like your face, neck, hands? It only reduces the chances of getting bitten, unlike the pill which is more to the side of an immunization dunno how to express it)
and in the future if the camo got some mozzie proof netting it may get hotter. Not good. not good. -
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Well, lets just hope they change a uniform base on the soliders response and not by some top brass who thinks it's time to change.
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Mozzie proof?
They test it against cilivian mozzies or SAF ones?
Sometimes ah... Those people sitting in office... Dunno what they thinking also... -
It makes 100% sense!!!Originally posted by chanjyj:I 100% don't understand the mozzie part..
Normal No. 4 is already mozzie proof. How can mosquito get thru the cloth?
Even if can get thru the cloth, in the future, the mosquito cannot get thru the cloth due to it being "mozzie proof", don't you have exposed areas like your face, neck, hands? It only reduces the chances of getting bitten, unlike the pill which is more to the side of an immunization dunno how to express it)
and in the future if the camo got some mozzie proof netting it may get hotter. Not good. not good.
Any old bird will tell you that mosquitoes can totally bite you through the uniform.
Example when you squat down, your pants will be pulled tight against some parts of your thigh. Meaning there are no loose space between the fabric and your flesh, THat's whn our "commando" mosquitoes can bit through.
Exposed areas like the hands, neck and face you can apply repellent. But you can't apply repellent all over your body, can you? -
this one I never experience before. Which is your uniform type?Originally posted by moca:It makes 100% sense!!!
Any old bird will tell you that mosquitoes can totally bite you through the uniform.
Example when you squat down, your pants will be pulled tight against some parts of your thigh. Meaning there are no loose space between the fabric and your flesh, THat's whn our "commando" mosquitoes can bit through.
Exposed areas like the hands, neck and face you can apply repellent. But you can't apply repellent all over your body, can you?
Is yours with the shirt pockets sloping slightly toward the centre, or is your pockets straight
That's why uniform or no new uniform, I think the pills should still be issued just in case. The mosquitos seem immune to my repellent last timeOriginally posted by moca:It makes 100% sense!!!
Any old bird will tell you that mosquitoes can totally bite you through the uniform.
Example when you squat down, your pants will be pulled tight against some parts of your thigh. Meaning there are no loose space between the fabric and your flesh, THat's whn our "commando" mosquitoes can bit through.
Exposed areas like the hands, neck and face you can apply repellent. But you can't apply repellent all over your body, can you?
Maybe they have also changed the repellent formula. -
you can also download a software from download.com and install it in your PDA. This sofware makes your phone pda produce a 17000 htz sound which human cant hear but really makes mosquito dizzy.
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You have obviously not gone to some parts of Area D my friend. Thank your lucky stars. They don't called them "commando trained mosquitoes" for nothing.Originally posted by chanjyj:That's why uniform or no new uniform, I think the pills should still be issued just in case. The mosquitos seem immune to my repellent last time Maybe they have also changed the repellent formula.
I find the repellent formula in the green tubes pretty effective. More effective than and commercial spray on. -
hahaha...Originally posted by chanjyj:this one I never experience before. Which is your uniform type?
Is yours with the shirt pockets sloping slightly toward the centre, or is your pockets straight
I think maybe I explained in a too complicated way. Now I read it even I myself don't understand what I wrote...
Basically, what I am saying is that any part of your uniform that is wrapped tight against your flesh, the mozzie can bite through.
And I don't recall any of my uniforms having slanted pockets.
The first batch of SAF camo that fades and very thick was quite good at preventing bites. But they also give you heat stroke. -
they contain DEET dah.Originally posted by insouciant:You have obviously not gone to some parts of Area D my friend. Thank your lucky stars. They don't called them "commando trained mosquitoes" for nothing.
I find the repellent formula in the green tubes pretty effective. More effective than and commercial spray on.
get a scrap cloth, wrap the damn cloth around on a stick and apply the green tube stuff and BURN.
mozzie run far far. -
well from the notice,the pills will still be issued to soldiers going overseas.
I just hope the extra layer they add wont make the uniform hotter!! -
I don't know. My mosquitos go thru BOTH commercial AND army repellentOriginally posted by insouciant:You have obviously not gone to some parts of Area D my friend. Thank your lucky stars. They don't called them "commando trained mosquitoes" for nothing.
I find the repellent formula in the green tubes pretty effective. More effective than and commercial spray on.
One day I will go and spray baygon on my skin and see what happem -
Got, I used to wear them (Dunno if they are the first batch or not). Sorry no pics.. (I threw em away, they were too old). The uniform had BROWN velcro (at the back of the shirt) instead of the GREEN velcro you use now.Originally posted by moca:hahaha...
I think maybe I explained in a too complicated way. Now I read it even I myself don't understand what I wrote...
Basically, what I am saying is that any part of your uniform that is wrapped tight against your flesh, the mozzie can bite through.
And I don't recall any of my uniforms having slanted pockets.
The first batch of SAF camo that fades and very thick was quite good at preventing bites. But they also give you heat stroke.
Top pockets go on a 20 degree slant (estimate) towards the centre. -
encik and me always use shelltox oudorless.....
in shellscrape..and on our clothes when in outfield -
In the jungle, seen from a distance of 20 meters in vegetation, SAF, TNI-AD and MAF look similar if everyone is on the ground.
But anything too distinctive may also stand out from the vegetation. ACU 's color is not for jungle warfare, but great for ops in industrial regions. -
The grey ACU scheme is more of a multicam fit-all solution for camo... works in all environments but does not excel at any as you get from your more environment-specific digital cam. Given the need for the Yanks to rapidly deploy like everywhere... a multicam approach works better for them.
I think we'll probably take a more jungle-centric camo scheme. But then again given the emphasis on FIBUA... -
hey guys, found another aussie based digital camo company:
the patterns inside are very distinct IMHO:
http://www.roggenwolf.com -
We may have two forms of digital camo. One for urban+desert(possibly more future overseas peacekeeping duties in the ME) and the other for jungle.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:The grey ACU scheme is more of a multicam fit-all solution for camo... works in all environments but does not excel at any as you get from your more environment-specific digital cam. Given the need for the Yanks to rapidly deploy like everywhere... a multicam approach works better for them.
I think we'll probably take a more jungle-centric camo scheme. But then again given the emphasis on FIBUA... -
two type? aiyo....
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Well, what he said might be true. The one for Jungle may be issued to all troops while the one for city/desert be isued to specific groups of soliders.
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As per now. The crew who went to Iraq were issued sand colored flight suits.Originally posted by acwire_2125:Well, what he said might be true. The one for Jungle may be issued to all troops while the one for city/desert be isued to specific groups of soliders. -
That I saw too at the Paya Lebar Open house. Rather interesting.
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I will be super lazy to switch between the 2... imagine you are infantry, using jungle camo then got to secure a town, then.... your green camo... must change....Originally posted by tankfanatic:two type? aiyo.... -
just make one camo scheme on one side of the clothes ma...Originally posted by chanjyj:I will be super lazy to switch between the 2... imagine you are infantry, using jungle camo then got to secure a town, then.... your green camo... must change....
issue one urban (training)
issue one jungle (bush and shit)
issue one with BOTH patterns , different sides ! (overseas/military operation )
rank use a hook on like medic , dun need everytime change, sew and such!
see? ez wad!
rank also like medic, button or velcro can liao!