What is next platform SG will buy 2nd hand
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SG is not just considered Reference Customer in international
arms market.She is also well known as a second hand buyer.
Never mind SG top in foreign reserve per capita
Many 2 nd hand major platforms were built 30 years and above.
So,what is the next major platform SG will buy second hand?
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2.For example, our A4 Skyhawks first came into operational service in refurbished condition in 1974. The Skyhawks subsequently underwent an engine and avionics upgrade in the late 1980s. When they retire from operational service recently, the Skyhawks had served the RSAF for 30 years.
Challenger class Sub were built 40 years ago.
We replaced them with smaller numbers of more modern fighters.
The SM1 tanks which are now being gradually retired, were bought as second-hand AMX 13 tanks from various countries in the late 1960s and refurbished. In the late 1980s they were upgraded to the SM1 standard and only now are we beginning to phase them out after over 40 years in the SAF. We have close to some 300 SM1s. We are replacing the first batch of the SM1s with the refurbished Leopard 2A4. We recently bought 66, with 30 spare tanks, from German Army stocks. We will replace the remainder in the coming years. But not on one-for-one basis as the Leopards are more capable.
Certain prime equipment that the SAF uses are also refurbished, e.g. our KC 135 tankers which have been deployed several times to the Gulf are refurbished tanks from US Armed Forces.
Our Challenger class submarines as well as the Vastergotland class subs we have contracted for are refurbished.
MINDEF is mindful of its responsibility to spend wisely, and buy equipment carefully. We only buy what we need, and what is most suitable and cost-effective for us. We buy very sophisticated and highly capable equipment, but only when it is needed. Often we don't need to buy the latest piece of equipment, when upgrading or refurbishing can do the job. When we replace older equipment with more modern ones, we often don't need to replace them on a one-for-one basis
---http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2007/mar/05mar07_nr.html
2.It is very hard NOT to spend $$$ when u have billion in pocket.
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I reckon some new AEW. E-3s perhaps?
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2.We spent one year defense budget for 4 E2C Hawkeye (E2C) inOriginally posted by Shotgun:I reckon some new AEW. E-3s perhaps?
circa 1986.
Dimensions:
Length Overall: 17.54 m
Wing Span: 24.56 m
Height: 5.58 m
Performance:
Max Level Spd. 300 kts
Max Cruise Spd. 300 kts
Service Ceiling: 30,800 ft
Radar: APS-138
Time on Station (200 Nm from base): 3 hrs 30 mins
Endurance: 5 hrs
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will it be replaced by Made in Singapore MAV?
Where is SG's MAV-Multirole Autonomous Vehicle?
can carry a load of 20kg of equipment like cameras and sensors. It has a wingspan of 1.8m.
The 'batwing' is powered by a single turbofan engine producing 100lbs of thrust -
As it is you have ppl saying we spend too much on defence. There was a huge exchange of views in ST recently. If we were to buy first hand, you bet more ppl will b*tch.
Sjoormen subs I can understand. Its more of a training/familiarisation platform. Vasgotland I can't.
As far as the MBT goes, Leo 2A4 may not be the latest but despite it being 20 odd years old, its still quite a potent machine, so fine by me.
And of course we have our wonderful neighbours' feelings to be mindful of. Imagine we start buying F-22s, M1A2s, S300 SAMs, M270 MLRS, et al. I guarantee you the first ppl to KPKB will be horse country. -
Rocket arty, MRLS
maybe other russians systems -
Btw since small i had always hope SG will buy A-10 then upgrade them with night attack cap etc
But i know it not going 2 happen 
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No way the MAV will be our AWACS... that still requires a dedicated system.
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i wonder how many awacs crews does singapore have? shd be quite a small number
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E MAV should be SG first UCAV
just fantaisting 
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Although its not a second hand purchase, I'm guessing that the next new babies we're gonna get are new covettes. Or at least a mid-life upgrade or something. Hope we get the the Visbys.
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Remotely-controlled systems, such as naval UAVs or the LALEE airborne platform being considered as a successor for the RSAFÂ’s E-2Cs
--Singapore And The Revolution In Military Affairs: An OutsiderÂ’s Perspective,by Dr Tim Huxley
2.LALEE (Low Altitude Long Enduring Endurance)Achieving Information Superiority
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Information Superiority will be decisive in Warfare 2020. To illustrate how we are working towards achieving Information Superiority, we want to recount our current experience in exploring the need and requirements for a High Altitude Long Endurance Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (HALE UAV). It has been a journey along the “Model-Test-Model” road.
In our view, a HALE UAV appears to be a feasible and attractive option for the tedious AEW mission and surveillance mission over Singapore . We have coined the name LALEE (Low Altitude Long Enduring Endurance) for this platform idea. LALEE is potentially an integrated airborne surveillance and communications system designed to provide continuous temporal cover-age over a very large area.One option is a system like the LALEE, studied for three years by a team under Lui. This unmanned air vehicle is described by Lui as "an integrated airborne surveillance and communications system to provide continuous temporal and very large spatial coverage". This would "provide a task group operating in the littorals with continuous surveillance from the air [at a cost] considerably cheaper than operating current-generation surveillance and communications platforms".
4.Singapore/EADS may do spy drone,by Chris Pocock
5.I cant find a speech by Prof LUI Pao Chuen delivered
on a Naval forum about LALEE.
6.Over the last three years, DSO has been looking into the concept of an air vehicle that provides continuous and large spatial surveillance coverage. The project was named LALEE, which means Low Altitude Long Enduring Endurance.
In the presentation by Dr Tan, he will highlight the conceptualisation of LALEE, and the key technological challenges faced in its design and development. -
All this is nothing really new... it makes sense to supplement your intelligence gathering capabilities from all possible forces.
In terms of our context, the AWACS will still be the mainstay of our traditional air superiority strategy for the forseeable future. There are still many things UAVs cannot do that the AWACS can.
UAWACS... now that's an idea.... -
A-10s look good...
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If u guys notice in recent year (since the 1990s in fact) most of our weapons purchases are brand new rather than second hand.Originally posted by sgf:As it is you have ppl saying we spend too much on defence. There was a huge exchange of views in ST recently. If we were to buy first hand, you bet more ppl will b*tch.
Sjoormen subs I can understand. Its more of a training/familiarisation platform. Vasgotland I can't.
As far as the MBT goes, Leo 2A4 may not be the latest but despite it being 20 odd years old, its still quite a potent machine, so fine by me.
And of course we have our wonderful neighbours' feelings to be mindful of. Imagine we start buying F-22s, M1A2s, S300 SAMs, M270 MLRS, et al. I guarantee you the first ppl to KPKB will be horse country.
To name a few:
Take the air force for instance, the only secondhand purchase in recent history are the 4 KC-135R Stratotankers. The navy has opted for second hand A12 type submarines for training purposes and in fact all of the major surface ships procured such as the Formidable class FFGs and Endurance class LSDs are new built. The army has received large numbers of new built Bionix IFVs and Bronco ATTCs, notwithstanding the recent purchase of ex-German Leopard 2A4s, which are almost new given their low usage by their former owners.
There is only so much one can upgrade and put into an older secondhand system. And being mindful of our neighbours' feelings? We need no approval from them on how to defend ourselves. -
Ah... the Vastergotlands. I think its more of a time critical issue than $$.
Malaysia is slated to receive its Scorpenes in 2009. And the RSN, purchasing a ready built, refurbished sub would only receive them in 2010.
If the RSN was to order spanking new submarines, the expected date of delivery may be even later. I doubt that the RSN would be comfortable knowing that the M'sians have an edge in Submarine technology for too long.
Since the Vastergotlands are already there, might as well get them first and decide on how to replace the other 2 Sjoormens later? -
Our neighbours never bothered our feelings. MLRS is an offensive weapon....heh...that speaks volumes about their intentions anyway.
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I am not sure if you can put a price tag on learn curve.
I believe both arm procurement and defence tied into developing of our own arm industry. Maybe not in the early years of independence. but certainly as listed we have managed to modified upgraded most of our 2nd hand platform. -
Maybe sg will buy the F35 joint striker?
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Theoretically, we could improve the AWACs with newer processing computers and C3I machines so as to enhance our detection and aiming capabilities of our fighters.
Really, what we sorely lack for our army now is MLRS. Malaysia said they were buying a Brazilian system, so we ought to get at least a Russian one. They are portent enough, though they lack sophisticated guidance systems.`````` -
Processing abilities of a radar is one thing, however searching in both spectrum and 3d as well as anti jamming are things that can only come with newer tech.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Theoretically, we could improve the AWACs with newer processing computers and C3I machines so as to enhance our detection and aiming capabilities of our fighters.
Really, what we sorely lack for our army now is MLRS. Malaysia said they were buying a Brazilian system, so we ought to get at least a Russian one. They are portent enough, though they lack sophisticated guidance systems.``````
We do not need MLRS. It's an offensive weapon. We have a forawrd DEFENSE policy. Ah see how MINDEF twist it if they ever get one.
Malaysia already has the ASTROS II for sometime. Not getting, they already have it. We will not buy Russian ones. MLRS are already a beast to maintain and very environmentally unfriendly. -
What we need are those smart artillery rounds, with rocket boost and GPS targeting.
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maybe.
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This is the way to save tax payer $$$.
Spent S$6m to get $43m---story of F5S
Saving in Upgrading F5 and buy Apacha
We have save S$37m in each plane
after we did the conversion instead of buying the new plan.The saving of
$1480m is more than enough to buy the first batch of Apache.
Head-up Display(HUD) of F5S STimes 04.04.1999
Square tells the pilot that it has locked its radar on enemy.
Circle--the calculated hitting point of bullets -
Well, we `ll certainly buy more Leopard 2s. That was what Teo Chee Hean says in the budget speech. My guess is that we`ll probably get around >200. why is this? We already have a supposed holding of >120 Tempests MBTs for a period of time before Malaysia purchased the Twardies or any MBTs. This number seems about right. And in the case that Malaysia buys more Twardies, we can certainly expect more Leopards. It is also a certain thing that they will be upgraded to at least the A5/A6 standard as is the case with all 2nd-hand goods. If so, they will be the most powerful MBTs in SEA.
The other thing to note is that I hardly think the Leos are meant to replace the AMX-13s. We still have the new light tank project for that. i just love how MINDEF twists everything up. For all you know, they could even say the Tempests(they never denied the existence of these machines remember) will also replaced by the Leos and in the end we`ll probably have about 300 Leos just like the AMX-13s. Meanwhile, Mindef could call the light tank a multi-role armoured vehicle which is nevertheless armed with a 105mm/120mm gun like the US`s FCS. So ultimatelty, we`ll literally end up with a highly capable and numerically superior tank force.
With Mindef you`ll never really know and im really proud of them. -
Our neighbours never bothered our feelings. MLRS is an offensive weapon....heh...that speaks volumes about their intentions anyway
That`s because they are seriously lacking in the artillery department. Really...