Battalion or Regiment
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I have always thought of this question why are all the infantry and armour units named as Regiment, eg. SIR, SAR? Why are the Guards and Commandoes named as Battalions? I mean some may say regiment is a tradition that was instilled since the colonial days, eg 1SIR. But armour was formed after we became independent, so why is it regiment?
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Ermm, Guards and Commandos are also considered regiments.Originally posted by equlus84:I have always thought of this question why are all the infantry and armour units named as Regiment, eg. SIR, SAR? Why are the Guards and Commandoes named as Battalions? I mean some may say regiment is a tradition that was instilled since the colonial days, eg 1SIR. But armour was formed after we became independent, so why is it regiment?
Regiment means a military unit consisting of a battalion.
So even 1SIR for example, is also a battalion...
Its not an exclusive name for Guards or Commandos..
But of cos, I may be wrong though. -
confuse our potential enemies.
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1SIR means, 1st Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment. 1SIR is not a regiment on its own.
3rd Guards means, 3rd Battalion, Guards.
They are all battalions of their respective regiment. -
Tiok -LahOriginally posted by Shotgun:1SIR means, 1st Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment. 1SIR is not a regiment on its own.
3rd Guards means, 3rd Battalion, Guards.
They are all battalions of their respective regiment.
In short, a regiment is actually a brigade size unit.For the SAF a regiment or a Battallion LPPL -
Can someone give a better example.....
like how many man to a battlalion or regiment ???
thxs.
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Hmmm.........I still dun get it.
traditionally, 3 regiments make a brigade while 3 battalions make a regiment. But I have seen open sources quoting the structure of SAF as 3 battalions to a brigade, so does this mean regiment is removed from SAF command structure or is regiment for name sake only.
When I did my NS, I was part of the BN block force, which aim is to deny enemy reinforcement to the sector being attacked. The ATEC usually simulates 1 tank, 2 apc, and 2/3 tonners. I heard the umpire speak to the comms as "opforce regiment reserve activated". So is it the difference between a regiment and a battalion is that a regiment have a coy or two of reserves? -
shhhhh, its all classified.Originally posted by equlus84:Hmmm.........I still dun get it.
traditionally, 3 regiments make a brigade while 3 battalions make a regiment. But I have seen open sources quoting the structure of SAF as 3 battalions to a brigade, so does this mean regiment is removed from SAF command structure or is regiment for name sake only.
When I did my NS, I was part of the BN block force, which aim is to deny enemy reinforcement to the sector being attacked. The ATEC usually simulates 1 tank, 2 apc, and 2/3 tonners. I heard the umpire speak to the comms as "opforce regiment reserve activated". So is it the difference between a regiment and a battalion is that a regiment have a coy or two of reserves? -
Depends on which Formation.
Some sections have 4 men, some have 9.
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Regiments meaning A military unit of ground troops consisting of at least two battalions, usually commanded by a colonel.Originally posted by equlus84:Hmmm.........I still dun get it.
traditionally, 3 regiments make a brigade while 3 battalions make a regiment. But I have seen open sources quoting the structure of SAF as 3 battalions to a brigade, so does this mean regiment is removed from SAF command structure or is regiment for name sake only.
When I did my NS, I was part of the BN block force, which aim is to deny enemy reinforcement to the sector being attacked. The ATEC usually simulates 1 tank, 2 apc, and 2/3 tonners. I heard the umpire speak to the comms as "opforce regiment reserve activated". So is it the difference between a regiment and a battalion is that a regiment have a coy or two of reserves?
Brigade meaning A military unit consisting of a variable number of combat battalions or regiments.
So a Brigade can be 3, 4 or 5 battalions, regiments or both. depend how that army want it to be in and call. keep in mind the strength is not mention in here.
As for ATEC 1 tank blah blah, in short it call ABG. And in SG SAF context it under Bde chat and as to your question on a regiment have a coy or two of reserves? pls read on Regiment as posted in this reply.
no way to compare as what that unit is call as diff country have diff number of man structure in sections, coy, BN, REG, BDE, DIV etc.
SAF may have a BN strength and name it BDE as it going 3G where you need less man to carry out a BDE ops. -
Put it this way, example,
1SIR and 4SIR are battalions.
This battalions are under 2SIB which is commanded by a COL.
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Erm okay simple terms.
Ours:
Sq->Plt->Coy->Bn-> Bde->Div
They call Regiment cause it's the "old" way of addressing a Bn(or two of men) We down size already but the name sticks for the main unit(tradition i think). But called Bn day to day cause that's only the real number of men anyway.
Others
Some country's Regiment Smaller than Bde...Some LARGER than Bde. It depends on the nation. -
thought its section in the smallest unit?Originally posted by CM06:Erm okay simple terms.
Ours:
Sq->Plt->Coy->Bn-> Bde->Div
They call Regiment cause it's the "old" way of addressing a Bn(or two of men) We down size already but the name sticks for the main unit(tradition i think). But called Bn day to day cause that's only the real number of men anyway.
Others
Some country's Regiment Smaller than Bde...Some LARGER than Bde. It depends on the nation. -
nope.Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:thought its section in the smallest unit?
it can be squad or fire team. -
This is what I understand the situation to be:
In a way, the word Regiment has become more of a name only.
As a combined arms force, our Regimental HQs have evolved to become Formation HQs. Since we do not have full size Infantry Divisions or Armoured Divisions, it is not practical to include a Regiment-level in our command structure.
So, our Army now goes from Battalion to Brigade, where a Brigade consists or 3 Battalions. Our Regimental HQs (aka Formation HQs) have become Functional Groups which focus solely on practical matters and doctrine.
I guess it sounds pretty confusing right?
It'll sound more complex when the next round of Combined Arms initiatives are implemented. -
Wow this is interesting...yet so plausible. thanks for letting us know...
but i got question...*more* revamp of CAD? i'm going to have a headache..
And yes Sq is the smallest i left out Section (i forgot) Though some platoons consists of only squads. Hehe. -
So how many make up 1 section? So wad's the number of men all the way till the highest name?
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There is no definite number per organisation level. Infantry sections generally have 7 men. But other sections/plt eg, MG, heavy weapons, AT, may have more or less depending on equipment requirements.
Acwire, u don't have attachment this vacations? -
Got! NOw doing attachment. Wad about u? Working?
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Regiment vs Battalion.
In old day, SAF Infantry (SIR & Guard), AI & AR were organized in Regiment, other formations were Battalion.
Reason being is Regiment strength around 900 troops whereas Battalion is around 500 troops. After the reorg & down sizing of SAF fighting troop, today Regiment may be history to SAF.
Note: - Old day, 1 section :- 8 or 9 man depend which period
1 PL :- 3x section
1 Coy :- 3 x section, 1 x support arm section
1 Regiment :- 4 x Coy, 1 support Coy, 1 HQ Coy
1 Bdge :- 4 x regiment, plus various organized Coy/Bty
support arm
1 Div :- 4 x Bdge, plus various Battalion support arm
As such, 1 Div is around 10K troop.
Today, fighting troop down size to x3 (Support arm BN also down size as well). As such, 1 Div is around 7~8K troop. -
Section->Platoon->Company->Battlion->Brigade->Division->Corp->Army->Army Group
But of course, ours not so big like other country. Max can only goto Army... if 5 Divisions and 1 Armour Brigade can count as an army...Originally posted by CM06:Erm okay simple terms.
Ours:
Sq->Plt->Coy->Bn-> Bde->Div
They call Regiment cause it's the "old" way of addressing a Bn(or two of men) We down size already but the name sticks for the main unit(tradition i think). But called Bn day to day cause that's only the real number of men anyway.
Others
Some country's Regiment Smaller than Bde...Some LARGER than Bde. It depends on the nation. -
This is how I understand it:
My guess is that in the old days, the term "Regiment" in SIR denoted a specific size of a unit.
So 1SIR really meant 1st Singapore Infantry Regiment, 2SIR meant 2nd Infantry regiment and so on. And in the old days we literally only had a couple of regiments.
But these days, 1SIR means 1st Battalion of the Singapore Infantry Regiment. 2SIR means 2nd Battalion of the same Singapore Infantry Regiment.
So how big is a "Regiment" in Singapore?
My guess is that the "Regiment" no longer denotes a particular size. It is merely some nostalgic hold on tradition to keep using the term "SIR" for our units.
The term "Singapore Infantry Regiment" is more like the family surname and doesn't denote a specific strength. So every battalion in Singapore - irregardless of which Brigade or Division - is a part of the BIG Singapore Infantry Regiment family. -
Same as the Royal Regiment of Scotland, which has many different former Highlander units of the UK Army after the reorg in early 06.
It's just a name to pool everyone together -
Battalion & Regiment r e same
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Go read Pioneer magazine or www.mindef.gov.sg 1 SIR stands for 1st Batallion S'pore Infantry Regiment. Similarly, 40 SAR stands for 40th Batallion S'pore Armoured Regiment.