RMAF's Sukhois to arrive in May — one year late
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L150 RWR is on board Su30MKI only? Actually what I heard is MalaysianÂ’s Su30MKM features South African made SAAB RWR suite?
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http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.htmlThe term "super-maneuverability" was coined by Dr. Wolfgang Herbst, initiator of the USA's X-31 prototype program, in defining controllability up to 60° to 70° Angle-of-Attack with transients of 120° or more.
The Su-30MKI has no AoA limitations: it can fly at even 180 degree AoA and still recover. This high super-agility allows rapid deployment of weapons in any direction as desired by the crew. The addition of another seat means that the pilot is free to concentrate on flying the aircraft while the second pilot can engage targets.
Mikhail Simonov was stung by press criticism that this machine was appearing at airshows doing tailslides and Cobras without any underwing stores. So it was promptly fitted with a representative warload consisting of (from port wingtip) - AA-11, AA-11, AA-10, Kh-31P, 6 x OFAB-100-120 bombs on a MER fitted to the port lower intake, KAB-500KR on centreline pylon, Kh-29T on lower Stbd intake, Kh-59M, RVV-AE, AA-11, AA-11 and still did its full show routine! A similar performance was witnessed at an airshow where the Landing Gear could not retracted in a Su-37, but Yevgeny Frolov still went on do perform the show routine without any changes! -
from the same source
The Al-37FU (FU stands for forsazh-upravlaemoye-sopo or "afterburning-articulating/steerable-nozzle") basically added 2D Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC) Nozzles to the Al-31F. 2D TVC means that the Nozzles can be directed/pointed in 2 axis or directions - up or down. TVC obviuosly makes an aircraft much more maneuverable. Al-31FP builds on the Al-37FU with the capability to vector in 2 planes i.e. thrust can be directed side-ways also. The nozzles of the MKI are capable of deflecting 32 degrees in the horizontal plane and 15 degrees in the vertical plane. This is done by angling them inwards by 15 degrees inwards, which produces a cork-screw effect and thus enhancing the turning capability of the aircraft.
The TVC nozzles will be made of titanium to reduce the nozzle's weight and can deflect together or differentially to achieve the desired thrust vector for a particular maneuver. The engine designers are also working to reduce the infrared signature for thrust settings below afterburner.
Also, the 2-nozzles can be vectored un-symmetrically, i.e. each nozzle can point at different directions independent from the other nozzle and thus multiplying the effect.The aircraft is capable of near-zero speed airspeed at high angles of attack and super dynamic aerobatics in negative speeds up to 200 km/h.TVC allows the MKI for example, to rapidly loose speed and turn in any direction and fire its weapons. The complete range of maneuveres possible in the MKI are impossible on any other combat fighter in production. "We even made a corkscrew spin a controllable manoeuvre - the pilot can leave it at any moment by a single motion of the stick that engages thrust-vectoring and aerodynamic surfaces," says Sukhoi's earlier general designer Mikhail Simonov.
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also from the same source. The designer claimed the TVC can defeat newer all aspect air to air missile
Many wrongly believe that the Su-27+ cannot perform all maneovres in combat load. To counter such talk designer Mikhail Simonov, at the 1994 Farnborough airshow, sanctioned a Su-30MK to perform the airshow routine with ordnance on all 12 pylons - a total of 7000 kg!! It did a complete fighter-like routine with this asymmetric load - including a tail slide!!.
In-Close, Stay-Close, and Kill-Close strategy is a way defeat the new generation of all-aspect, high-off-boresight missiles such as the R-73, Python 4, MICA-IR, and AIM-9X. Obviously one has to survive the transit from beyond visual range (BVR), to within visual range (WVR), to inside of minimum range. Once there however, both Western and Russian gun systems are capable of all-aspect, high crossing angle kills at ranges inside of 1500 feet. -
they are using Avitronics MSWS RWR....yep SAABOriginally posted by coolant:L150 RWR is on board Su30MKI only? Actually what I heard is MalaysianÂ’s Su30MKM features South African made SAAB RWR suite? -
Any chance our F-15SG will get to fly in exercise together with the Su-30MKM in the future? This will enable us to better assess their capabilities and vice versa. Maybe we can even get to fly against them during the exercise! But thats just fantasy.
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this probably have nothing to do with Su 30MKM..but i dont want to open a new topic..so here it is...
Malaysia bought Amraam: Thanks to reader N. Mohamed, we now know that in 2005, MINDEF purchased 20 Amraams from the US. The matter was reported to the UN Conventional Arms Register.
What is the UN Conventional Arms Register? According to its website:
On 6 December 1991, the General Assembly adopted resolution 46/36 L entitled “Transparency in armaments”, which requested the Secretary-General to establish and maintain at United Nations Headquarters in New York a universal and non-discriminatory Register of Conventional Arms, to include data on international arms transfers as well as information provided by Member States on military holdings, procurement through national production and relevant policies.
The Register comprises seven categories of major conventional arms, namely, battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-calibre artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships (including submarines) as well as missiles and missile-launchers. It has been in operation with effect from calendar year 1992. Thus far, a total of 170 Member States have reported to the Register one or more times. The Register captures the great bulk of the global arms trade in the categories of conventional weapons covered by it. -
Finally their Hornets have some real teeth.
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more like dentures really.
the hornets still need uncle sam clearance to bite onto the buttocks of a western made warcraft. or something like that 'codes'. whatever.... -
wait....so this is the one...all this while i thought that Dr M were talking about Sparrow!Originally posted by ferryman2393:more like dentures really.
the hornets still need uncle sam clearance to bite onto the buttocks of a western made warcraft. or something like that 'codes'. whatever.... -
Its ok...just 20. But they still hardly stand a chance to fire first.
We've got 100 delivered...and another 200 coming with the F-15SG. -
if delivered to singapore more likely the restriction on their amraam will be lifted too...
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wait....so this is the one...all this while i thought that Dr M were talking about Sparrow!
no lah. dear dr m was referring to the onboard radar. or rather its capability to register western warcraft as bogeys. or something like that. seemed like to lift this caveat, u need the codes to overide it. only then the F18s can think of chewing some F16s or F15s. btw, AMRAAM radar is only activated at the terminal stage. -
Originally posted by tankfanatic:
I'm sorry I didn't catch this earlier. But doesn't this imply that the plane can fly BACKWARDS?!?!
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quote:The term "super-maneuverability" was coined by Dr. Wolfgang Herbst, initiator of the USA's X-31 prototype program, in defining controllability up to 60° to 70° Angle-of-Attack with transients of 120° or more.
The Su-30MKI has no AoA limitations: it can fly at even [b]180 degree AoA and still recover. This high super-agility allows rapid deployment of weapons in any direction as desired by the crew. The addition of another seat means that the pilot is free to concentrate on flying the aircraft while the second pilot can engage targets.
Mikhail Simonov was stung by press criticism that this machine was appearing at airshows doing tailslides and Cobras without any underwing stores. So it was promptly fitted with a representative warload consisting of (from port wingtip) - AA-11, AA-11, AA-10, Kh-31P, 6 x OFAB-100-120 bombs on a MER fitted to the port lower intake, KAB-500KR on centreline pylon, Kh-29T on lower Stbd intake, Kh-59M, RVV-AE, AA-11, AA-11 and still did its full show routine! A similar performance was witnessed at an airshow where the Landing Gear could not retracted in a Su-37, but Yevgeny Frolov still went on do perform the show routine without any changes!
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Too amazing to be true.
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lol i have to read it again...to ..flying backwards? actually he meant the pilot can aim the AC whichever direction in zero speed...and still recover
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Angle of attack refers to the angle between the aircraft's flight path, and the nose. The flanker somewhat achieves 90 degree AOA while performing the flanker.
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where is the logic in that? flying backwards..... i can accept if the article said shooting backwards.
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In ZERO Speed!Originally posted by tankfanatic:lol i have to read it again...to ..flying backwards? actually he meant the pilot can aim the AC whichever direction in zero speed...and still recover
U think ur one is Hellicoptor or what~ -
You can't have an AOA if you're not moving. Cos there is no flight path at 0 kts. That article very questionable.
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dun underestimate RMAF... after seeing their Su-30s fly during LIMA'07, our f-15s will lose out in a dogfight with it.
RSAF officers were present there... their faces were grim when they saw the Su-30s flipping around in the air. Prolly wondering if the eagles were the right choice to procure as Su-30s are eagle killers... -
let's have more faith in country X shall we ...Originally posted by Moonstriker:dun underestimate RMAF... after seeing their Su-30s fly during LIMA'07, our f-15s will lose out in a dogfight with it.
RSAF officers were present there... their faces were grim when they saw the Su-30s flipping around in the air. Prolly wondering if the eagles were the right choice to procure as Su-30s are eagle killers... -
Su-30 are eagle killers? Heh... okays.
Those flipping manuevers have very strict entry parameters. Recovery isn't exactly very simple either. -
Originally posted by Moonstriker:
Actually...we don't intend to get that close...
dun underestimate RMAF... after seeing their Su-30s fly during LIMA'07, our f-15s will lose out in a dogfight with it.
If you take note of the weapons we procured, you will be able to understand why... -
those pilots were probably russians. or indians. it'll take years for the malaysians to learn how to use the canards let alone the TVC.
anybody wish to continue? LOL.... -
its malaysian pilot ... i saw him exiting the AC and being interview by the reporters