RMAF's Sukhois to arrive in May — one year late
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One question. Who will be translation russian into malay for the manual books?
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One question. Who will be translation russian into malay for the manual books?
That is already an expressed problem officially. It is not just Russian but French, South African, etc as well. How they tie all these together would be difficult. They say the planes would be fully combat ready only by 2010. However, I doubt that and it may take even longer.
But manuals are one thing. Integration of different technology from different sources is another. For example, have they got the planes to talk to one another? The Indians took 6-7 years to fully integrate Israeli technology with Russian ones; even with help from the Israelis. The MAF have more on thier plate to mix and match. Conversely, the Malaysians, unlike the Indians, do not even have a good industrial base to leverage upon .
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Here's the above SB 041 on the rampOriginally posted by duotiga83:off topic...IAF just send over MKI to UK for exercise and participate ine the recent airshow there.....this photo left me in awwww...
And close up of sister ship SB 042's thrust vectoring nozzles
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has anyone read the numbers on how many fighter RMAF has on wiki? how true is tat?? its seems too little for a country of tat size..
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There's something that is called as 'Follow-Up' orders.Originally posted by cydus21:... its seems too little for a country of tat size..
The point is we do not know is there any Option clauses in the existing contract between Malaysian Govt & Sukhoi. Even if there is, we are not sure how many is stated in the Option clause. -
when was the last time you ever saw malaysia having any follow up orders??Originally posted by Black Aces:There's something that is called as 'Follow-Up' orders.
The point is we do not know is there any Option clauses in the existing contract between Malaysian Govt & Sukhoi. Even if there is, we are not sure how many is stated in the Option clause.
option clauses cost lots of money one... in the event you dont exercise your option.. those money are sunk to the bottom of the sea... -
'suck to the bottom of the sea"? hmm? sorry, I lost you here. I was with the govt procurement agency here and my understanding of option is perhaps different with m'sia's option clauses. I don't see how Option clauses will 'suc up' or 'locked'' ones' money....Option clause don't require the buyer to pay upfront and it thus the money (given out) is 'lost' if one don't exercise it.Originally posted by tripwire:...option clauses cost lots of money one... in the event you dont exercise your option.. those money are sunk to the bottom of the sea... -
even RSAF announce their options.. i think even if RMAF has options, it wun be alot. like 20 su30.. how much option can there be.. and looking at the amount of operational ready planes they have now, it is just ridiculous.
16 mig29 less than half are operational
su30 only 2 came and i bet it will take them ages to get them operational
8 f18 hornets which are not usable for war
14 F5
the rest are like bae hawk and Aermacchi MB-339
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if options are FOC... i am sure malaysia would ask for a 100 optional MKM... no need marney... and somemore can get lots of fame...Originally posted by Black Aces:'suck to the bottom of the sea"? hmm? sorry, I lost you here. I was with the govt procurement agency here and my understanding of option is perhaps different with m'sia's option clauses. I don't see how Option clauses will 'suc up' or 'locked'' ones' money....Option clause don't require the buyer to pay upfront and it thus the money (given out) is 'lost' if one don't exercise it.
sorry... but i think options for big expensive ticket items.. especially items that is not readily available and costly to provide.. need to put up some money one.. -
Let me put it this way, when I meant no upfront money is required (from the buyer) for Option is not that there is no time expiry attached. In other words, there will be x no. of hardware requested (by the buyer) from the defence contractor and the option cost + x no. of hardware is stated in the Contract.Originally posted by tripwire:if options are FOC... i am sure malaysia would ask for a 100 optional MKM... no need marney... and somemore can get lots of fame...
sorry... but i think options for big expensive ticket items.. especially items that is not readily available and costly to provide.. need to put up some money one..
Therefore the contractor will specify $$$ for the option hardware, and such $$$ may be discounted (in view if the earlier purchases), BUT in order for the buyer to 'enjoy' this so-call discounted rates, normally the contractor will specify an expiry date in which the buyer MUST exercise if not, the 'discounted' rates will not stand and the contractor has a 'right' to increase cost for the similiar hardware.
Therefore, for the South Korean AF, there was an option to purchase an additional 40+ F-15K but I'm not sure did the KAF exercise that right. -
It's been mentioned.
They will receive 8 by end of this year and the remaining (10)? the next. Fully ready latest by 2010 since they already have one / two batches of pilots trained. They are sending them in a group of at least (mentioned is this number but you never know) 2 pilots and 4 WSOs...kinda odd if you ask me. Should be in pairs of 4/4... -
I doubt they will be fully combat ready by 2010. They have yet to even write the operational manuals because the Russians do not operate this kind of aircraft nor build a proper simulator. Neither have they fully resolved the integration issues. I suspect the Russians put the diverse equipment in the chassis and ensured that they are working at a minimal level and left the rest(integration issues)to the RMAF. Oh, they can certainly fly the planes like the Indons which bought the Sukhois without proper systems and avionics. But, to say that the plane is fully combat ready is an entirely different thing. In effect, they have created yet another problem for themselves due to thier bizzare procurement habits.
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Operational by 2010 would be kinda tight. Considering that training is still required to know how to fight with these machines, not just to fly them.
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the intergration issue have been solved but the operational manual were none existence...it is said that 2 teams of IAF non combatant techies will come to gong kedak and write the new OM for the MKM. Uou are right ..the 2010 date line are very unlikely.
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Rumour has it they may have F-16A anything like less then 12 & their A-4 in storage
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words of factOriginally posted by spartan6:Rumour has it they may have F-16A anything like less then 12 & their A-4 in storage
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A-4 in storage tat i know as for e F-16 like i say it only a rumour
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wrong info....... RMAF already received 6 of Su30MKM, 2 by Antonov and balance 4 by direct flight from Irkust.........Originally posted by cydus21:even RSAF announce their options.. i think even if RMAF has options, it wun be alot. like 20 su30.. how much option can there be.. and looking at the amount of operational ready planes they have now, it is just ridiculous.
16 mig29 less than half are operational
su30 only 2 came and i bet it will take them ages to get them operational
8 f18 hornets which are not usable for war
14 F5
the rest are like bae hawk and Aermacchi MB-339
they have alot of transport planes thou
August 10, 2007 16:22 PM
Najib: RMAF Must Fully Exploit Sukhoi Su-30MKM Capability
KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 10 (Bernama) -- The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) needs to utilise the state-of-the-art technology of the new multi-role combat aircraft, Sukhoi Su-30MKM, in enhancing its combat effectiveness and overcoming limited resources.
Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the addition of this modern aircraft, a highly agile multi-role air fighter which could be effective as a strike and offensive capable aircraft, "augments the frontline combat capability of RMAF towards a balanced force development to enhance the national defence capability".
Najib, who is also Defence Minister, was speaking at the handing over of the Sukhoi Su-30MKM flight log book to him by Victor Komardin, the deputy director of Russia's Rosoboronexport, the manufacturer of Sukhoi, at the RMAF base in Subang, near here, Friday.
He said the handing over of the flight book signified another milestone in RMAF's modernisation programme to maintain combat capability.
"This is in line with the government's efforts to strike a reasonable balance between maintaining and sustaining the country's present capability and procuring new war fighting systems.
"What the RMAF lacks in size must be made up for with cutting-edge technological sophistication. Malaysia's new acquisitions are specifically a commitment to sustain and improve a well-balanced conventional force," he added.
Najib said the handing over of the Su-30MKM also marked continued good bilateral relations between Malaysia and Russia.
He said the cooperation that began with the MiG-29N deliveries in the 1990's which had now been supplemented by the Sukhoi aircraft with their greater range and powerful armament, was evidence of Russia's readiness to develop further cooperation with Malaysia, especially in the field of high technology.
In May 2003, Malaysia ordered 18 Sukhois at RM3.42 billion. Six of the aircraft had been received since June this year and are based at the RMAF base in Gong Kedak at the Kelantan-Terengganu border.
Meanwhile, RMAF chief Jen Tan Sri Azizan Ariffin said the Sukhoi squadron would be fully operational by the end of next year, and currently four pilots were undergoing training in Russia and more would be sent there after the first batch completed their course.
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credit to Tosee from http://forum3.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=211427&extra=page%3D1&page=66
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huge mother....
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Seems like RMAF's Flankers are painted in F-15E-style colours.
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What is housed inside that very long tailboom?
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I'll believe Mig-29 used the same colours schemeOriginally posted by Black Aces:Seems like RMAF's Flankers are painted in F-15E-style colours.
Which is not surprisng as RMAF's Hornets are painted in the F-15E colours.
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Either a drag chute or maybe a missile warning sensorOriginally posted by huaichien:What is housed inside that very long tailboom? -
Drag chutes and counter measures. Flares etc.
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it is Radar warning receiver L150Originally posted by huaichien:What is housed inside that very long tailboom?
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