RMAF's Sukhois to arrive in May — one year late
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Beautiful shots!! MORE MORE!!
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oh cant wait for the eagles to come.... always a big fan of it.
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This houses the drogue chute or the Counter-measures? Or was it both?Originally posted by tankfanatic:
Red bulge is the IRST? oR?
Looks like Alamos, but which flavor?
Alamo A or Alamo C?
Just a curious question. I don't see the flankers armed with any mockups of the Adder even. Are they really operational in the RMAF? Then the question of the Sorbtsya pods... also acquired? -
Just a curious question. I don't see the flankers armed with any mockups of the Adder even. Are they really operational in the RMAF? Then the question of the Sorbtsya pods... also acquired?
i have no idea....
but we also thought they didnt have the Harpoon...yet last month Perajurit centre fold i saw a Harpoon underneath the F/A 18 wings...i cant believe my eyes..it was not even doctored. -
sometimes, we must realize not all are publish to public.... that's why we call it 'secret weapon'.......... in other words, don't underestimate our enemy.........
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..and that is one weird looking hardpoints..its like it was designed to receive other than russian weapon
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hmmmm.......... can't imagine the Hornet can fired Kh-59E.........
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Always assume they have their hands on the best stuff their planes can carry.
Always make sure you can counter them to that level and more.
To not think that way is to be surprised when the stuff on the rails are live and see it flying up your butt-hole.
You dont go to the expensive restaurant fork out to pay for this and that but drink only tap water right? The restaurant will also laugh at you and say they serve on Evian/Perrier.
You dont buy Su-30MKM and give them missiles from your Mig-29 right? DUH. -
I won't be surprised if the Sukhoi would be able to carry some european missiles. WHo knows.
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Found this great link for all our military nuts here.Originally posted by tankfanatic:i have no idea....
but we also thought they didnt have the Harpoon...yet last month Perajurit centre fold i saw a Harpoon underneath the F/A 18 wings...i cant believe my eyes..it was not even doctored.
Its pretty much open domain information comprising all the major arms transfers to all countries from 1950 to present.
Just click and select the country you wanna find out, choose the time period and presto!
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Frankly, I don't think Russian aircraft is customised to wire-up and equip with a NATO weapon.Originally posted by Shotgun:I won't be surprised if the Sukhoi would be able to carry some european missiles. WHo knows.
I mean, one don't expect a Sidewinder or Sparrow (or even AMRAAM) or Harpoon to be fitted to a MiG or SU w/o no difficulty and surely Sukhoi will not go the extra mile to enable its products to carry a non-Russian weapon.
I have seen pics of Iraqi MiG-23 & IAF MiG-21 carrying Magic, and such ability was done in-house (by the operator's own industry) not by the Russian manufacturer. Even when the RMAF SU-30 is carrying French systems on board, this Western component is perhaps more superior than its Russian equivalent or allowing superior Radar detection, but mind you, this does not necessarily equate to the ability to carry a NATO weapon on a non-NATO platform....unless AIROD can surprise us? -
airod built and maintain the hornets hardpoint
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I can't say I agree. True enough, getting a Russian aircraft to carry a NATO- weapon is not an easy task, but it really does seem to me that only the shell and the legs of the Sukhoi MKM are Russian. Naturally, I doubt they would have decided to arm the Sukhoi up with Matra Magics or anything like that. I was thinking more along the line of Exocets.Originally posted by Black Aces:Frankly, I don't think Russian aircraft is customised to wire-up and equip with a NATO weapon.
I mean, one don't expect a Sidewinder or Sparrow (or even AMRAAM) or Harpoon to be fitted to a MiG or SU w/o no difficulty and surely Sukhoi will not go the extra mile to enable its products to carry a non-Russian weapon.
I have seen pics of Iraqi MiG-23 & IAF MiG-21 carrying Magic, and such ability was done in-house (by the operator's own industry) not by the Russian manufacturer. Even when the RMAF SU-30 is carrying French systems on board, this Western component is perhaps more superior than its Russian equivalent or allowing superior Radar detection, but mind you, this does not necessarily equate to the ability to carry a NATO weapon on a non-NATO platform....unless AIROD can surprise us? -
true but not for SU30-MKM, this customized plane either can carry russian missile it also be able to use NATO missile......Originally posted by Black Aces:Frankly, I don't think Russian aircraft is customised to wire-up and equip with a NATO weapon.
I mean, one don't expect a Sidewinder or Sparrow (or even AMRAAM) or Harpoon to be fitted to a MiG or SU w/o no difficulty and surely Sukhoi will not go the extra mile to enable its products to carry a non-Russian weapon.
I have seen pics of Iraqi MiG-23 & IAF MiG-21 carrying Magic, and such ability was done in-house (by the operator's own industry) not by the Russian manufacturer. Even when the RMAF SU-30 is carrying French systems on board, this Western component is perhaps more superior than its Russian equivalent or allowing superior Radar detection, but mind you, this does not necessarily equate to the ability to carry a NATO weapon on a non-NATO platform....unless AIROD can surprise us?
Flight International 5/6/2007
Malaysian air force goes multirole with new Su-30s
By Vladimir Karnozov
Malaysia has accepted its first two of 18 Sukhoi Su-30MKM multirole fighters at NPK Irkut's aviation plant in Irkutsk, Siberia. Six aircraft will be shipped to the country during June and July, says Irkut president Oleg Demchenko, with another six to follow in October and November and the final batch to be delivered in the second half of 2008.
Acquired under a $900 million-plus deal, the aircraft are based on the Indian air force's Su-30MKI, but use French and Russian-sourced avionics, targeting and electronic warfare equipment in place of Indian and Israeli technology. Malaysia is considering buying Thales's TopSight helmet-mounted display and MBDA's Mica medium-range air-to-air missile to equip its new aircraft, but will initially use Russian-supplied equipment. -
Originally posted by Shotgun:...I was thinking more along the line of Exocets.
Hmm..thanks for the correction. Now, I don't know should I feel happy or sad with the news above!Originally posted by MyVi:...Malaysia is considering buying Thales's TopSight helmet-mounted display and MBDA's Mica medium-range air-to-air missile to equip its new aircraft, but will initially use Russian-supplied equipment
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Hmm feel sad lor. It's our pilots who will feel scared though. The MICA is a very impressive missile somthing between a sidewinder and the AMRAAM i think.
Anyway regarding the -cross usage of missiles and bombs- Generally the problem is the the SOFTWARE is not meant for the targetting for weapons of different nations.
I.E. Your Russian Radar might detect a plane coming towards you at 200km away. However, your French CPU cannot create a lock/track on the enemy plane because it doesnt understand Russian coding. It can also not communicate to your USA coded Missile telling it to launch and kill the plane. Hence there's the problem.
It goes the same with bombs. The bomb sights meant for US planes are tailored to calculate the FALL/GLIDE rate of US bombs. THe FALL/GLIDE rate of Russian or Euro bombs are different and so you will never hit your target accurately.
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do not underestimate the capabilities of Flankers
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cant wait for the eagles and the gulfstreams to come home.
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Me 2
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one thing is for sure
RSAF is in deep shit with these MIGs around in the event of a conflict -
They're not that hard to take down. Quantity does count too. How many times can these Flankers Sortie without getting shot down? How long does it take for them to turn around? Can their engines last?
Without having them in sufficient numbers, they may not be able to match RSAF's sortie rate. Its like a dai dee game, you may have 4 aces, and other chapalang cards, but i got 2kings, 2queens 2 jacks. Only difference is, after u throw finish ur 4 aces, u don't game. =D -
one thing is for sure
They said the same about the Mig-29s way back then until they started getting shot down all over the middle east and europe. There is always a lot of mighty talk about russian equipment and i think the russians want it that way too. It`s a selling position. Do you hear the Americans talking the same way? They dont have too.lol. The su-30s are hardly tested in combat.
RSAF is in deep @@@* with these MIGs around in the event of a conflict
On paper, our F-16s(plural) will cream anything the Malaysians have; including the Su-30 as well. The F-15SG is more than capable of bringing down the Su-30 one on one as well. And Singapore is only getting started on procuring the F-15SGs.
Remember, the Su-30s was not even short listed by the RSAF. And the RSAF`s procurement process is solid and watched widely around the world.
It is widely known that if a country can get thier hands on a 4th generation Western plane, they will do so.
Interstingly, the Indians took 6-7 years to get everything together on the MKI. The MKM has more variety than the MKI where equipments go. It would be interesting to see if they turn out to be white elephants only to be ready for a fight when the whole world has passed them by. Have they got the planes to talk to another yet?