RMAF's Sukhois to arrive in May — one year late
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i suppose this news will be out in the magz. i think i will scaned it and post it here. .....if any.
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sorry aaa.. i post again this pic
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I wonder will they try to shadow another commercial flight with that into Singapore... Ha!
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i am curious to know more about this. care to explain or provide a link for me to go read?Originally posted by Shotgun:I wonder will they try to shadow another commercial flight with that into Singapore... Ha!
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that IR sensor are huge! -
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nice birds they've got. nevertheless ours will come soon.
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yea. eagles..
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mmm can a TVC plane outfly locked missile? i seen a hud clip of F16 evading 6 SA 9 in iraq
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TVC is designed so as the host fighter can always capture the better AAM launching position ahead the enemy fighter. No matter how, a 9G maximum load fighter with TVC will never be agiler than a 50g load AAM like AIM-120C5.
TVC is not mainly for out turn missiles no matter AAM or SAM, especially long range radar guided SAM and BVR active radar homing AAM.
A fast fly, high altitude fighter jet like F-16 to get out the low tier, IR guided SA-9Â’s engage is one thing, but to unlock the engagement of Mach5 radar guided SAMs like S-300/PAC-2/3 is another. In the latter case, I would say TVC will help nothing at all to unlock the SAMÂ’s Radar tracking and the sheer speed of the fighter which allows the fighter to escape the SAMÂ’s envolop ASAP is the best rescue -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMQoto2H4ls
here 'USAF 614 TSF' call sign 'Stroke Three'. Stroke One and Two were already shot down and both pilot become POW. Fortunately 'Stroke Three' (the one in the video) landed safely with its chaff and flare still full! It means the viper evade the missile using its agility. I bet any aircraft with TVC could do better. -
oh by the way if the pilot are good he can evade even the amraam,
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How good is that good?
Can he withstand more than 10G overload or he can speed his TVC jets as fast as AIM-120?
There are something called no-escape zone of the modern active radar homing AAM, an AIM-120C5 can have such a zone in a range of 30-40 kms. Within such no-escape zone, no matter how a fighter maneuvers, it canÂ’t escape the missile. -
These Sukhois are very capable planes. Don't underestimate (or oever estimate) them.
I hope RSAF get to have joint excercise with them to fid out more.
for the moment at least - until our F-15 arrive - the RMAF will have the upper hand. Can our F-16 can match these twin-engined birds? -
If push button that what we pay pilots so much to find out.
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for the time being we still have the upper hand, why? because not all are trained yet.....their buying culture is different ours, when we bring back stuff means it's operational.....they bring in 2 Sukhois and train 4 pilot and 2 WSO's 1st and later this pioneer batch will train the rest in house....it'll be another 2 years before they are fully operational....Originally posted by moca:These Sukhois are very capable planes. Don't underestimate (or oever estimate) them.
I hope RSAF get to have joint excercise with them to fid out more.
for the moment at least - until our F-15 arrive - the RMAF will have the upper hand. Can our F-16 can match these twin-engined birds? -
Furthermore their number are too few. Sing have the advantage.
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TVC helps in shorter take off and turning in low speed high manourve engagement.
But as other forumer mention,Maximun G-limit can take for a pilot is 9G.
The only way to evade modern BVRAAM in no escape zone will be yr ECM,jamming the missile to veer it off the track. -
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/05/25/214234/malaysias+air+force+gets+first+two+sukhoi+su-30+fighters.html
Malaysia's Air Force gets first two Sukhoi Su-30 fighters
The transformation of the Royal Malaysian Air Force received a significant boost yesterday, with the service accepting its first two of 18 Sukhoi Su-30MKM multi-role fighters. The aircraft were handed over during a ceremony at the Irkut Aviation plantÂ’s manufacturing facility in Russia attended by RMAF Gen Datuk Seri Azizan Ariffin.
Kuala Lumpur signed a $900 million deal with RussiaÂ’s Rosoboronexport arms agency in 2003 to acquire the new Su-30MKM fleet, which will join its air forceÂ’s current 16 RSK MiG-29 interceptors.
Video from MalaysiaÂ’s TV3 news channel shows one of the Malaysian aircraft carrying models of Russian-sourced Vympel AA-10 (R-27) and AA-11 (R-73) medium-range air-to-air missiles.
The second video demonstrates a flying display without stores. Similar to IndiaÂ’s Su-30MKIs, the RMAF aircraft are powered by two thrust vectoring Saturn AL-31F turbofans. The aircraft has a maximum take-off weight of almost 35t, including an 8t weapons load, an operating ceiling of 56,700ft (17,300m) and a top speed of Mach 2.
MalaysiaÂ’s current combat aircraft fleet also includes eight Boeing F/A-18D Hornets, Northrop F/RF-5E/Fs and single-seat BAE Systems Hawk 208s. -
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oh my god .. look at that cockpit.....
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Modern BVR Active radar homing( ARH) AAMs all have "HOJ" mode, the monopluse radar seeker usually working in CWI(continous wave illumination) is very difficult to jam, let alone the AAM’s own ECCM, even in the event, the targeted plane does successfully jam the incoming ARM AAM, it will only trigger the AAM’s “Home On Jam” ( HOJ ) and the missile will home in on the jamming source .
In the No-Escape-Zone, itÂ’s almost impossible to escape,
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The RSAF was in India for a joint exercise with the Indian Air Force. Don't know whether Su-30 MKI took part in the exercise. Here is a video of the exercise.Originally posted by moca:These Sukhois are very capable planes. Don't underestimate (or oever estimate) them.
I hope RSAF get to have joint excercise with them to fid out more.
for the moment at least - until our F-15 arrive - the RMAF will have the upper hand. Can our F-16 can match these twin-engined birds?
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Bingo on the HOJ. Don't be a fool to turn on the Jammers against AMRAAMs and Adders.
The best chance on taking on these missiles, is Beam and Chaff. As the missile is Beamed, its being forced to make multiple corrections to its intercept course. Doing that forces its fins to work hard, and thus cause drag, reducing the energy state of the missile.
The missile doesn't have as much fuel as the aircraft, hence, once its out of fuel, its relying purely on kinetic energy and its low drag design to carry itself to its target. As long as you are not in the NEZ, Beaming and maybe a bit of climbing at some point reduces it sufficiently for u to quickly zip out of its radar cone. Out of it, it might go into a search pattern and find nothing and hit air.
Otherwise, if the missile still has some energy left, a max-9g break into the missile might be able to get ur aircraft out of the missile's warhead cone.
Would the Su's TVC nozzle matter much against an AMRAAM? I can't imagine how. Its really powerful engines would though. Good luck to their technicians though.
