no, we don't have to do to the lees what you are doing to the king. Pity you.Originally posted by ChineseThai:[size=Large]Tripwire, I can tolerate whatever sh*t you let off your filthy mouth. [b]But don't you touch the King.
We have plenty of say in this military government. We criticize them everyday and harshly. We can bash the current military-installed Prime Minister in the open. We have the freedom back - the freedom that had been lost during the oppressive regime of Thug-Sin.
Can you Tripwire do to the Lee's the same thing as we do now? Pity you.[/size][/b][/quote] don't come bere and bull s h i t! when was the last time the thai military shot your students on the streets? no civilized government do that, the american did it in Kent States University, the PRC commie did it in tiananmen, and the thai in Bangkok. you say whatever you like, if they don't like, they just shoot you, what kind of freedom you think you have?
as far as singapore is concerned, thaksin is the officially elected prime minister, he has not been charged for anything, the military junta has not impounded his passport, so he is a freeman and singapore can receive anybody we deemed fit. If Aung San Suu kyi come to singapore, anybody can also meet her for lunch, dinner and spa. military coup does not produce legitimate government. when are you going to the poll again??
as for your king in thailand, his balls are in the hands of the generals, sigh....you never hear him say ARHHH....... so many times meh?
[quote]Originally posted by ChineseThai:
Can you Tripwire do to the Lee's the same thing as we do now? Pity you.[/size]
Yeah maybe you like your mother's bre-ast being squeezed. NICE!!Originally posted by sgdiehard:no, we don't have to do to the lees what you are doing to the king. Pity you.
lol.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Yeah maybe you like your mother's bre-ast being squeezed. NICE!!
I like your mum's moaning...
I honestly do not think the Junta has any right to an opinion on whether the Sg government "give" them face or not. They are not a freely elected govt, that came into power via a coup. As far as it is known so far, they are an illegitimate govt in power. If they really want to keep their face, they should their best not to draw to much attention to that FACT by starting all this ruckus about ShinCorp and Thaksin's bak kut teh trip.Originally posted by Short Ninja:Unlike the Japanese who dont even know the Emperors full name and royal duties the Thais do know all the Kings name,date of birth....IC number some more!!.My point is leave the Thai King out of this discussion cuz you simply have to know the man or any man before you can show disrespect to him.When some of you hantam the Thais on this touchy topic,I presume you are talking about the Junta and their present diplomatic policy and not the Thai People,Country or Monarcy Rite?? Ok now we can continue..Do you really believe that out of the blue CNN crew interviews Thaksin in SIngapore? If Thaksin was a true friend he shouldnt put Singapore in this jam and mind you he is no blurr guy all this is planned if he had gone to Malaysia Thailand would really chew their ass big time. To the Junta it is like SIngapore didnt give face and see them no up! So somehow they must send some kind of message across otherwise they would look really bad back home.When a child misbehaves and the Uncle says, Dont be naughty or I beat you Ahhh.....that doesnt really mean that the Uncle would raise a hand on the child.Singapore will get to keep the Military Base and Training ground.THis is not about arm twisting its about mutual respect between Garmen.Then you might want to ask why USA can? Why Indonesia can? Why China can? and SIngapore cannot meh???.Well I dont know if this is a Singapore proverb or not but it goes like this......If someone eat shit you must follow izit??
its not the thais who are pushing us around.. its their military who is pushing everyone around especially the thais with their guns and tanks...Originally posted by Typhoon:Frankly, I'm rather inclined to think that the Thais are pushing us around simply because we're small and an easy target. Notice the lack of noise from the junta as Thaksin visits Japan.
Unfortunately, our govt apparently decided that it was a 'trivial' matter and permitted it to go ahead despite the warning signs.
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Thai FM warned S'pore over meeting Thaksin
Foreign minister Nitya Pibulsonggram says he informed S'pore counterpart George Yeo at Cebu summit that planned meeting with DPM Jayakumar was unacceptable
The Nation
Jan 20, 2007
Thai Foreign Minister Nitya Pibulsonggram said yesterday that he had personally warned his Singaporean counterpart George Yeo that there would be "reactions" from Thailand if former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was received by Singapore's Deputy Prime Minister S Jayakumar during his visit to Singapore last week.
Mr Nitya said that after having been informed of Mr Thaksin's pending visit to Singapore, the Thai Foreign Ministry notified Singapore "at least three times" that the treatment to be accorded Thaksin was "unacceptable"; to the Thai Government.
Speaking to a group of senior editors during their lunch meeting with Prime Minister General Sura-yud Chulanont at Baan Phitsanu-loke, Mr Nitya said his warning to Minister George Yeo during the Asean summit meeting in Cebu, the Philip-pines, had been unmistakable.
"I told him: 'We cannot accept the fact that Thaksin is going to be received by Singapore's deputy prime minister'," Nitya said. "I emphasised that it was something unacceptable." The Thai foreign minister said he also warned Yeo "there would be reactions" from Thailand if Mr Jayakumar received Thaksin.
Mr Nitya was apparently trying to counter media reports that the Foreign Ministry had not been forceful enough in impressing on the Singaporeans how serious the consequences of such meeting would be.
Despite Thailand's protest, the Singaporean government went ahead and arranged a meeting between Mr Thaksin and Mr Jayakumar which subsequently prompted the Thai Foreign Ministry to retaliate by suspending all high-level meetings with Singapore, including a ministerial dialogue scheduled later this month. The invitation to the Singaporean foreign minister to attend the dialogue was also withdrawn.
Mr Nitya said that while other countries were sensitive to the Thai Government's stand on Thaksin, Singapore had made itself an exception.
"It was a slap in the face to Thailand and tantamount to recognising the former government," said the Thai FM.
He added that that during his conversation with Mr Yeo, he had also reminded his Singaporean counterpart of President SR Nathan's recent pledge to General Surayud that Singapore would not do anything to "betray" the trust and understanding between the two countries.
"I looked Yeo in the eyes and reminded him that he had been there when President Nathan said that," Mr Nitya said.
Asked how the two countries would repair the damage from the row, Mr Nitya said the Foreign Ministry would assess the situation "on a daily basis" before deciding what to do next.
"But if you are asking me if I am going to fly to Singapore tomorrow, the answer is no," he added.
An informed source close to Surayud said that during their meeting in Cebu Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing had told the Thai leader that China was very uneasy about Mr Thaksin's presence and activities in Beijing, where he spent most of his time after London following his ouster from power in the Sept 19 coup.
Mr Li also assured Gen Surayud and Mr Nitya that Beijing would not allow the former Thai leader to engage in any activities that would displease the Thai government.
"Li also assured Surayud and Nitya that no Chinese official had met Thaksin during his stay in China," said the source.
The source said the Chinese understood the situation very well.
"When Khun Nitya tried to explain at length to Li what Thaksin shouldn't be allowed to do while in China, the Chinese foreign minister even helped him to get straight to the point, asking him: 'So you want him to do nothing damaging to his own country, is that right'?" the source said.
Meanwhile, Gen Surayud said that former prime minister Thaksin was welcome to return to Thailand but only when the "terms" had been worked out. "He can return, but first we have to talk about certain conditions," he said, without elaborating.
The General earlier said that Mr Thaksin should only return to Thailand after a new government came to power following a general election.
He also insisted that the Thai Foreign Ministry's decision to suspend all high-level contacts with Singapore in retaliation for Thaksin's recent visit to the island state during which he met Mr Jayakumar was appropriate and necessary "to let Singapore know how Thai people feel".
But when asked for comment on the claim by General Sonthi Boonyaratglin, chairman of the Council for National Security, that Singapore had been eavesdropping on Thailand's communication channels, Surayud said it was only a "technical matter".
"If you ask them, they will of course deny it," he said.
On Thaksin's ongoing tour of the region and media interviews, the prime minister said his government had no objection as long as he was not accorded recognition by host governments the way he had been in Singapore.
In a related development, Singaporean Ambassador to Thailand Peter Chan met Interior Minister Aree Wongsearaya but played down the meeting as "a normal courtesy call".
"Mr Chan said Singapore would continue to work with Thailand to strengthen their longstanding good relations and looked forward to an improvement in relations," said a statement from the Singaporean Embassy in Bangkok.
Meanwhile, Mr Thaksin arrived in Japan late on Thursday on a private jet from Beijing. He is expected to continue with his attack on the government in Bangkok and reportedly will meet business leaders.
Mr Thaksin played down the trip, telling waiting reporters there was no pressing reason for his visit.
"Now is a time for me to relax, get together with my family and see my old friends,'' Thaksin was quoted by the Associated Press as saying upon arrival at Narita International Airport outside Tokyo.
Japanese officials reportedly said they were aware of Mr Thaksin's visit but had no plans to meet the former leader.
Tokyo University spokeswoman Kayoko Hayashi dismissed media reports that Thaksin was planning to deliver a speech at the university and receive an honorary degree.
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S'pore FM George Yeo confirms Thai warning over Thaksin's visit
But he assured his Thai counterpart that the former premier's meeting with DPM Jayakumar was "completely social and private".
AsiaOne
Jan 20, 2007
Singapore's Foreign Minister George Yeo, who is currently in Calcutta, has confirmed that Thai Foreign Minister Nitya Pibulsonggram spoke to him "two to three times" in Cebu about former Thai Prime Minister's visit to Singapore.
A spokesman for the Foreign Minister, responding to the Mr Nitya's comments reported in The Nation today, said: "Foreign Minister George Yeo said that he had the highest respect for Foreign Minister Nitya Pibulsonggram.
"Minister Yeo said that while he understood the Thai Government's concern, he also sought Minister Nitya's understanding of the Singapore Government's position.
"Minister Yeo assured Minister Nitya that Dr Thaksin would have no official meeting in Singapore and that his meeting with Deputy Prime Minister S. Jayakumar would be completely social and private."
Mr Thaksin, who has been living in exile since the coup, said in an interview on CNN this morning that he came to Singapore to play golf and meet old friends.
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Originally posted by tripwire:you guys read the newspaper today?
apparently... our DPM was not the first ASEAN officials that has met thaksin since his ouster!!
that honor goes to INDONESIA coordinating minister aburizal bakrie in bali indoneisa....
and thats not all... he even met former US assistant secretary of state stephen rademaker, who is currently working as lobbyist! in hongkong... right under the nose of PRC leaders!
and if politics looks black... take another look at buissness...
our Temasek holding... the famous thai potshot target of recent days... and the target of much vile accusation from the thai army and thai finance ministeries... is again making news in thailand!!
this time... DBS... owned by Temasek Holdings.. is being invited to buy a larger share of thailands ' 5th largest bank... the thai military bank.. owned by non other then the infamous thai ministry of finance and the royal thai army headed by the current coup leader sonthi!!!
its like scolding us at their front door.. ... but rolling out the red carpet for us in their back door!!!
Although Bhumibol is a constitutional monarch, he has several times made decisive interventions in Thai politics, including the political crisis of 2005-2006. Bhumibol has been widely credited with facilitating Thailand's transition to democracy in the 1990s, although in earlier periods of his reign he supported military regimes. Most recently, he did not oppose the September 2006 coup which overthrew the elected government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.
Bhumibol uses his great wealth to fund numerous development projects, particularly in rural areas. He is immensely popular in Thailand, and is revered as a semi-divine figure by many Thais. Critics, mostly outside Thailand, attribute this status to the suppression of criticism of the monarchy.
During the 1970's, Bhumibol was a key figure in the Village Scouts and Red Gaur. In October 1973 after massive protests and the deaths of a large number of pro-democracy demonstrators led by students, Bhumibol asserted himself politically for the first time by opening the gates of the Chitralada Palace to fleeing students, and holding audiences with their leaders.
In 1992, Bhumibol played a key role in Thailand's transition to a democratic system. A coup on February 23, 1991 put Thailand back under military dictatorship. After a general election, held in 1992, the majority parties invited General Suchinda Kraprayoon, a leader of the coup group, to be the Prime Minister. This caused much dissent, and the conflict escalated to demonstrations and then to a large number of deaths when the military was brought in to control the protesters. The situation became increasingly critical as neither side would back down and the violence escalated.
Bhumibol summoned Suchinda and the leader of the pro-democracy movement, Major General Chamlong Srimuang, to a televised audience. At the height of the crisis, the sight of both men appearing together on their knees (in accordance with royal protocol) made a strong impression on the nation, and led to Suchinda's resignation soon afterwards. It was one of the few public occasions where Bhumibol directly intervened in a political conflict. A general election was held shortly afterward leading to a civilian government.
Maybe so, but it does sure look like Thaksin does enjoy greater popularity (not reverence) in certain areas of the country and among the poorer folks.Originally posted by bangkokboy:For those who mentioned that Thaksin has played a bigger role for creating what Thailand is today, I urge you to think again. The King of Thailand has little direct power under the constitution but is a symbol of national identity and unity.
King Bhumibol — who has been on the throne since 1946 — commands enormous popular respect and moral authority, which he has used on occasion to resolve political crises that have threatened national stability.
He also mentioned he will not get actively involved in politics unless it comes to a point whereby the people of Thailand are deeply divided. There is a right time for every action and he chooses his next move carefully. He doesn't wish to be seen as a King who decides each and everything...
You again....Originally posted by Coquitlam:Finally!!! It's good to see an asian country show Sillypore who's boss....
There must always be some logical explanation about why Sillypore do the things they do but being a small red dot doesn't give us the right to do as we please....Good show I say Thailand....
huhhh....I thought it was Singapore telling another country that though we are small, we do what we think is right for us, and no country can tell us what we cannot do, especially some military "strongmen" that takes over power illegically with guns and tanks, call us insensitive or arrogant. If Aung San Suu Kyi comes to Singapore, she will also be treated to dinner.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Finally!!! It's good to see an asian country show Sillypore who's boss....
There must always be some logical explanation about why Sillypore do the things they do but being a small red dot doesn't give us the right to do as we please....Good show I say Thailand....