Power Zone: Top 10 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
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10. Humvee M1114
09.LVT4 Alligator aka. Amtrac
08.M3 Half Track
07.British Universal Carrier aka Bren Carrier -
06.BMP 1
05.Sonderkraptphrzaz 251
04.Stryker Infantry Carrier -
03.MCV 80 Warrior
02.M2 Bradley
Suppose the first place will be M113... -
01. M113 APC
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and i love it the way one of the experts said that when a round kennas the m113, it melts the aluminium hull and creates a toxic fume..killing eeveryone inside....haha...
i will think abt this each and everytime i get into our Ultras....
did ur notice how the US troops mount their full packs on the sides of the bradley?correct me if i am wrong,but i think its suppose to act as a form of low low level protection against rpg rounds?
i think also by doing so, they clear the cage behind the ramp door for space for ammo and other stuff, and also have more space inside the vehicle for the troopers...
i just wish there are saf regulars watching the shows and thinking...hey, why dun we try this for our own and see if it can be incoporated into our sop...
i mean, i am sure if the US troops are doing this after all the time fighting around the bradlleys...they must be on to someting....
just my 2 cents
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Not just full packs are mounted outside. A lot of other stuff.Originally posted by m113apc:and i love it the way one of the experts said that when a round kennas the m113, it melts the aluminium hull and creates a toxic fume..killing eeveryone inside....haha...
i will think abt this each and everytime i get into our Ultras....
did ur notice how the US troops mount their full packs on the sides of the bradley?correct me if i am wrong,but i think its suppose to act as a form of low low level protection against rpg rounds?
i think also by doing so, they clear the cage behind the ramp door for space for ammo and other stuff, and also have more space inside the vehicle for the troopers...
i just wish there are saf regulars watching the shows and thinking...hey, why dun we try this for our own and see if it can be incoporated into our sop...
i mean, i am sure if the US troops are doing this after all the time fighting around the bradlleys...they must be on to someting....
just my 2 cents
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/01/filling-those-mres/index.php#more -
Should learn from the Israelis also, mount a gattling cannon as opposed to the 40/50s.
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Well, I am seriously surprised that the humvee is considered an IFV. I have always thought it to be a general utility jeep at most.
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We also thought so, but you must see who is the producer of Power Zone on the discovery channel.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well, I am seriously surprised that the humvee is considered an IFV. I have always thought it to be a general utility jeep at most. -
Just look at the old Vietnam war footage and u will see that most of the time the US troops were riding on TOP of the M113s and not inside. You sometimes see sandbags on top of the M113 where the troopers sit on ! All hatches are also open. That's because the M113s armor is easily penetrated by mines and RPGs & when it is buttoned up with troopers inside, most will get killed or suffer horrendous burns at the minimum.
Our Ultras have been uparmored but I dont know how effective they are against RPGs. Maybe can defeat older gen of RPGs, but new gen of RPGs, 84 mm etc will in all likelihood eat up the Ultra. Thats why AI need to dismount and the troop carrier must stay out of RPG ot 84 mm range. They ar enot designed to take a hit from a RPG or 84 mm. -
in my opinion, after watching Humvee making it to the top ten, I feel that the humble pick-up truck shld also be included...used by almost all rebels, insurgents around the globe, the pickup truck is the cheapest form of IFV, you can mount RPG, machine guns, anti-aircraft or double up as ambulance...
its advantage; its cheap, can be mass produced, fast and mobile...trading thick armor for mobility. -
And it can be found anywhere in the world, the pickup truck aka. "Technicals" HahaOriginally posted by red_amoeba:in my opinion, after watching Humvee making it to the top ten, I feel that the humble pick-up truck shld also be included...used by almost all rebels, insurgents around the globe, the pickup truck is the cheapest form of IFV, you can mount RPG, machine guns, anti-aircraft or double up as ambulance...
its advantage; its cheap, can be mass produced, fast and mobile...trading thick armor for mobility.
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then what about our rover?Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well, I am seriously surprised that the humvee is considered an IFV. I have always thought it to be a general utility jeep at most.
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Our rover is a 4wd utility vehicle. End of story.Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:then what about our rover?
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Yeah I agree that the humvee shouldn't even be on the list. It's more like an armed tonner used for transportation, not an IFV.
Frankly speaking, I was kinda hoping for the Bionix to be on the list, but I guess that's more like a pipe dream.
Another conspicuously missing one would be the Israeli Achzarit. That ought to get some brownie points for innovation - they were all basically built out of captured T-55 tanks.
I guess the good thing about the M113 is its customisability. Its simple design - practically a 'box on tracks' - allows it to be customized quite easily. -
tks!good article...and good use of the boxes for the mres!Originally posted by touchstone_2000:Not just full packs are mounted outside. A lot of other stuff.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/01/filling-those-mres/index.php#more
i can tell u...theres barely enuf space in the m113 just for weapons and ammo, let alone meals and our fullpacks...
of cos while we did managed eventually..it was freaking cramp inside the vehicle....
just a point to note..someone mentioned earlier that US troopers in vietnam wld ride above the vehicles as shown in the Discovery program becos it was safer to ride outside, cooler ...etc etc ...
maybe i give some insights from a serving nsman in armour ok....
i think what ur are seeing is when they are doing a non tactical movement...from point A to point B..carry as many ppl as possible and when
theres little danger of being shot at!
during tactical movement(and in saf terms, thats almost everytime) all troopers shld be inside the vehicle...i know the aluminum shell is thin and give minmal protection..but at least it shld protect from small arms fire and sharparel....
also...when armour fights..we dun drive like old lady on the left lane...we chiong and attack like nobodys biz....anyone sitting on the outside wld probably be flung out ...
lastly...if an m113 overturns..u wld wana be inside the vehicle, not sitting outside...
damm it..someone shld forward the link above to HQ armour as a Wits project...hahahaa....
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When one IFV was selected by US Army as one of the four finialst for
TOTAL 1740 units of Medium Armored Vehicle (MAV) or Interim Armored Vehicle (IAV),after competing with
the followings,among many others,what would you assess the IFV.Competitors for the contract include three U.S. companies -- United Defence Land Programs, General Dynamics Land Systems and Textron -- as well as firms in Austria, Canada and France.
2.And what would you think that this is the only non--US IFV?
* General Dynamics [GD] teamed with General Motors [GM] -- 8x8 wheeled LAV III family, made by General Motors of Canada
* United Defense, L.P. -- tracked M8 Armored Gun System and M113 variants.
* Textron -- 6x6 wheeled LAV-300 Mk II and 4x4 XM1117 Armored Security Vehicle
* AM General -- 4x4 XM1114 up-armored HUMVEE and 4x4 Cobra [with TurkeyÂ’s Otokar]
* Steyr-Daimler-Puch [Austria] - 6x6 Pandur [in cooperation with GD]
* GIAT Industries [France] -- 6x6 VAB
* Henschell [Germany] -- 6x6 TPz-1 Fuchs
* FMC-Nurol [Turkey] -- M113 variants
Can I say this IFV is Top 10,except Russia ,PRC and N Korea?
3.Dunt read .Think first
4.Dear this is:
i already told you sometimes back
fr http://www.stengg.com/investorelations/pdf/positioningst.pdf
One of the 4 finalists in US IAV multi billions contract,out of more
than 60 vehicles from all over the world.
Bionix Infantry Fighting Vehicle
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Though interesting to watch, these Discovery Channel Top 10 Weapon listings are nothing more than entertainment.
They always mix weapons of different era from WW2 to present day.
For example in the tank series, they put the Sherman, the Leopard 2 etc all in the same list.
WHY?
Why not put in the British "mother" tanks of WW1? Hey, ho one could beat them.
There are literally thousands of types of AFV's in the world and they put the Humvee? -
Just remember that IFVs are not MBTs and use them for their intended purpose. Against rifles , MGs, arty ok but not RPGs, ATGW,RCLs and AT mines.