How F-5S compared with others?
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Spent S$6m to get $43m---story of F5S
2. Saving in Upgrading F5 and buy Apacha
: 04/04/1999 Strait Times Page: 23
Meet Bitching Betty - She sits in a plane, one of 40 F-5S aircraft which have
been upgraded at about $6 million a plane. (Page 19)
"A formidable jet fighter" and "Bite of the Tiger"
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situational awareness," he said.
The upgraded radar can also detect a target up to 80 nautical miles away -
twice the distance than before, and track up to eight targets.
"There's no need to see the target. We can just drop the bomb from far away without being getting shot at," he added.
Major Jaspal Singh, RSAF's operations manager for the F-5S, added: "Its major selling point is that the avionics are similar to the F-16s and F-18s. It's
not just an F-5, it's a whole new plane."
Well, sort of. Acquired by the air force in 1979, the F-5Es as they were
known then, were Singapore's first supersonic fighters.
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Now, the upgrading of the RSAF's entire Tiger fleet of about
40 planes has been completed, at about $6 million a plane.
This is a bargain considering
that a brand new F-16 costs about US$25 (S$43) million.
The upgrading has given the F-5S an additional lifespan of
10 to 15 years each.
As for sceptics who think that the upgrade results in
only superficial changes, Mr Lim Tau Fuie, vice-president
of avionics in STA, had this to say:
"It's now a much more effective plane than what it used to be.
"If there were no benefits, then other air forces like the
Turkish Air Force wouldn't have gone for it."
BOMBS AWAY 'There's no need to see the target.
We can just drop the bomb from far away without getting
shot at. And it should hit within 50 feet of the target.'
--- Captain Adrian Teo
We have save S$37m in each plane
after we did the conversion instead of buying the new plan.The saving of
$1480m is more than enough to buy the first batch of Apache.
F5S instrument panel
3.Factsheet - Upgraded Features of the F-5S
The avionics upgraded in the F- 5S include:
4.ST has been activately pushing into international market
5.how is the new engine and speed?
Dimensions:
Length 14.62 m
Wing Span 8.53 m
Performance:
Max Speed Mach 1.6
Range 300 Nm
Combat Radius 450-570 Nm
Radar FIAR Grifo - Fmore on Radar FIAR Grifo - F,it is testament to FIAR's expertise that it won the competition in the face of stiff competition from British, Israeli, and American companies.
Head-up Display(HUD) of F5S STimes 04.04.1999
Square tells the pilot that it has locked its radar on enemy.
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So which countries airforce have their F-5 upgraded by us? I think Brazil is another one. Any more potential customers?
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I think the most 2 or 3 countries choose this upgrade only.
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The LCOS-like (circle and square) gun sight shown in the newspaper article is not as intuitive as the EEGS gunsight available to the F-16s and Sukhois.
The funnel symbology in the EEGS gunsight, IMO offers superior accuracy and intuitive fire over the LCOS. The LCOS gun symbology cannot be used without a radar lock, which in some cases, impractical since u might want to retain an element of surprise of jumping into guns range. A lock will tip the enemy off and prompt him to take evasive action before u're ready to shred him.
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Given that most fighters around us have more superior performance envelope, the F-5 is quite screwed if he needs to do close combat. Makes no difference what gunsight he has if he can't manoeuvre to opponent's six.
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Pablo, u didn't get the point that i made about the EEGS not requiring a radar lock to operate. Its precisely when your aircraft is not as manueverable as the enemy's that u need and element of surprise to jump him and kill him in 1 pass.
It doesn't become a turning fight if you can catch him unawares an scrap him before he realises something is wrong.
One pass, haul ass.
Oh, did I mention that the LCOS has really good accuracy against helicopters?
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IMO, it's quite unlikely that the F-5, or any other fighter, can sneak in so close to its opponent without being detected. Also, I think trying to achieve gun kill on the first pass is really ambitious.
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yea why don't they just use missles and kill from far far away?Originally posted by Pablo:IMO, it's quite unlikely that the F-5, or any other fighter, can sneak in so close to its opponent without being detected. Also, I think trying to achieve gun kill on the first pass is really ambitious. -
Turkey and Brazil have had their F-5s upgraded by us.
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Remember that the RSAF F5S are mainly for defending local airspace after
enemy aircraft get thru the initial screen of AWACs & F16s. They are our second line of air defence. Laden with ordnance, enemy aircraft will have to contend with a large number of very small and hard to detect & nimble F5s which are armed with gun and missiles only - a very tough proposition to face for enemy air planners ; an enemy strike force by all accounts will most likely be decimated if not totally annilated. -
Not all engagements occur at BVR. Its not as simple as getting into the air, and calling a Fox 3 on every radar return u get on the B-scope. During the first Gulf War, only the F-15Cs were cleared for BVR engagements, while all other aircraft had to visually inspect their target before engaging. This was to prevent Blue on Blues or even shooting down civilian or other non-combatants.Originally posted by beavan:yea why don't they just use missles and kill from far far away?
However, I concede that hardly any attacks on unsuspecting enemy are carried out using guns as the primary weapon. UNLESS they are in close proximity of other aircraft. First of all, you don't want the Sidewinder to track the wrong target, 2ndly, blast fragmentation might cause unexpected collateral damage. -
The last time i heard about some scary F-5 stories was about 4 mths back ... so now, everything is ll new and nice already ?
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Originally posted by gd4u:
Care to elaborate?
The last time i heard about some scary F-5 stories was about 4 mths back ... so now, everything is ll new and nice already ? -
Later kena OSA, how ???
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Dun worry. Stories nia. They can't arrest youOriginally posted by gd4u:Later kena OSA, how ???
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Hmm, well, heard tt whenever a lance of F-5 goes up ... only 1 plane avionics remains working ... and even sometimes, the avionics system on every F5 on flight can go down ... which, isiz tt quite scary ??
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Is our source reliable? If so this is very worrying news indeed...Originally posted by gd4u:Hmm, well, heard tt whenever a lance of F-5 goes up ... only 1 plane avionics remains working ... and even sometimes, the avionics system on every F5 on flight can go down ... which, isiz tt quite scary ?? -
Hmm, but since they already upgraded everything ... that shld be a problem already, right? My source, he ORD lor ...
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Lance?
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I only know of a A4 flame out before. Never heard of this F5 thingy.
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That is quite the opposite from what I hear. And that they are very reliable jets.
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4 planes?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Lance? -
Oh. I see.Originally posted by gd4u:4 planes?
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sounds so mechwarrior-ish
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Dun fighter jets usually flies in 4 ??Originally posted by beavan:sounds so mechwarrior-ish