Is having a RSN Destroyer feasible?
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But we already have the Aster 15 on our frigates. The most possible upgrade candidate should be Aster 30 instead of Standard Missiles.Originally posted by tripwire:a destoyers only advantage over frigate is its ability to carry bigger weapons due to its size....
one possibilities is probably for TMD, if we can get our hands on those standard 3 SAM, which the americans are apparently placing great confidence in its ability to interecept ballistic missile.
recently... the defence minister has been quoted to have his sight set on providing singapore a Missile defence capability when he was talking about our air defence...
afew ships moving around with afew hundred standard 3 missile could prove useful... especially since we can forward deploy the vessel for long period and at long distance from singapore (giving us an advance intercept option) along the potential flight path of hostile missile path.
i for one... would hate to be too dependent on a single defence line from ground base SAMs... or ABMs... given our close proximity to not so friendly neighbours.
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The US are practically offering the mothballed spruance class destroyers for free, however no countries want it simply because the operational costs are way too high than running a couple of well armed frigates, not to mention the cost of refurbishing these relics
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I have more faith in the navalised S300 than either of those.Originally posted by tankee1981:But we already have the Aster 15 on our frigates. The most possible upgrade candidate should be Aster 30 instead of Standard Missiles. -
hi would suggest those have doubts on the classification of naval surface combatant.i.e. frigate, destroyer and cruiser. do some personal research, it wont take much of your time.it has got to do with the tonnage.
Tank1981 you should do your research on it as well. Mini destroyer its ridiculous if that the case even a corvette can be regarded a mini frigate or light frigate.Why are you so certain that herakle multi-radar used on formidable class frigate is designed and programmed for aster 30. -
I believe that while land based TMD systems will be adequate, however, I foresee our doctrine of forward defense pushing for a navalised TMD platform.
As for the Aster 30 systems being compatible with the Formidable-class. Can someone verify this? I believe that though the Sylver launchers can be swopped, the issue lies in our radar. -
I highly doubt so.. Aster 30 need a far bigger boaster which will be too big to fit into our Formiable class canister.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I believe that while land based TMD systems will be adequate, however, I foresee our doctrine of forward defense pushing for a navalised TMD platform.
As for the Aster 30 systems being compatible with the Formidable-class. Can someone verify this? I believe that though the Sylver launchers can be swopped, the issue lies in our radar.
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Do we need 1 in e first place ,our frigate is already more heavily armed then some destroyers
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How bout this sexy little thing instead?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby-class_corvette
A force of highly capable steath frigates,corvettes and submarines. A dream navy I can only drool about. -
Come to think of it, even the Ticonderoga class cruiser of the USN, is closer to a destroyer in size rather than a cruiser.
RSN having a destroyer feasible? A highly automated destroyer perhaps. But whose gonna build us one? The Brits? Based on a Type 45? Or the French? Based on the Horizon class?
If the RSN wants to get a DDG, i hope they'd go for an AAW one. I don't give the AA capability of the Formidable class as much credit as some of us here. =) -
Yes, a S300 system will be best but the navalised version out yet?Originally posted by Shotgun:I have more faith in the navalised S300 than either of those. -
The US Navy destroyer ( Arleigh Burke-class ) gives the USA a more potent offensive capability in the form of the tomahawk missiles it can carry in its two MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells). These cruise missiles have a range of 1600km and therefore the destroyer can perform deep strike missions against fixed targets at long range. Frigates ( OLIVER HAZARD PERRY-class ) lack this capability.
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Destroyer feasible? IMO, its infeasible
Southeast Asia geopolitical atmosphere will not tolerate singapore's navy possession of DDG @ least for this decade.its detrimental to the balance of force of the entire S.E.A and raise inevitable criticisms. As for now, i dont see the possiblility of any significant naval procurement xcept for an upgrade in the anti-ship missile system.The current system is phrasing out, the next generation anti-ship missile emphasizes on land and sea engagement.
(Note: recent news reported that indonesia is turning to russia on the possiblility procurement of sovremenny Class. IMO, Singapore's will not follow suit.)
IMO, US and china shouldnt be included in this topic. As huge maritime nations,the existence of large suface combatant fleet in their naval arsenal is only obvious -
Just a qestion, i was wondering is the french SCALP Naval Eg integrated with the syvler VLS already?Would it be capable of launching it?Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:Destroyer feasible? IMO, its infeasible
Southeast Asia geopolitical atmosphere will not tolerate singapore's navy possession of DDG @ least for this decade.its detrimental to the balance of force of the entire S.E.A and raise inevitable criticisms. As for now, i dont see the possiblility of any significant naval procurement xcept for an upgrade in the anti-ship missile system.The current system is phrasing out, the next generation anti-ship missile emphasizes on land and sea engagement.
(Note: recent news reported that indonesia is turning to russia on the possiblility procurement of sovremenny Class. IMO, Singapore's will not follow suit.)
IMO, US and china shouldnt be included in this topic. As huge maritime nations,the existence of large suface combatant fleet in their naval arsenal is only obvious -
"Infeasible?"Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:Destroyer feasible? IMO, its infeasible
Southeast Asia geopolitical atmosphere will not tolerate singapore's navy possession of DDG @ least for this decade.its detrimental to the balance of force of the entire S.E.A and raise inevitable criticisms. As for now, i dont see the possiblility of any significant naval procurement xcept for an upgrade in the anti-ship missile system.The current system is phrasing out, the next generation anti-ship missile emphasizes on land and sea engagement.
(Note: recent news reported that indonesia is turning to russia on the possiblility procurement of sovremenny Class. IMO, Singapore's will not follow suit.)
IMO, US and china shouldnt be included in this topic. As huge maritime nations,the existence of large suface combatant fleet in their naval arsenal is only obvious
When the topic mentioned feasible or not, I interpreted it as .. "Can we do it?" With the right builders and automation, I don't see why not. Whether or not the "geopolitical atmosphere" has no direct impact on evaluating whether we have the capability to man such a warship or not.
If the Indons do go ahead with their Sovremenny, I doubt SG would have any more restraints in acquiring Destroyer class vessels. Especially if they are AAW DDGs. -
I think we dun really need to worry abt those Russian destroyers. If u look deeper into their capabilities rather than their names, u will discover usually Russian vessels of same class compared to NATO ships. They have lesser stealth features and they also seems to be a little underarmed. They only have 8 sunburn missiles and other features that is slightly similar or perhaps weaker than our Formidables.
I think RSN should concentrate on solving the issue of ferry the Leo2, get a larger transport ship. Another interesting thing maybe we can stretch the Formidables a bit longer to mkae way for some land attack cruise missiles, need not have too many, but say another 2x8 slots of VLS, it will add more dimensions to our offensive capabilties. -
RSN canhave whatever they want but is sillypore worth defending? nahhhhhhhh.....let's all leave and hand over the red dot to the IT professionals from India and the study mamas, lecturers, coffeeshop assistants, students from china to take over
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Haiz...Originally posted by Coquitlam:RSN canhave whatever they want but is sillypore worth defending? nahhhhhhhh.....let's all leave and hand over the red dot to the IT professionals from India and the study mamas, lecturers, coffeeshop assistants, students from china to take over -
Having a destroyer = Having an extremely powerful AA mobile sea unit.
Also, some destroyers have launch pad for ldm which can easily cross 1.2km and they make a good platform for sea against land missions.
The primary role of the destroyer is AA and destroying naval vessels.
And they are right about one thing, the determination of frigate and destroyer is tonnage.
The heavier ship is a destroyer (regardless of effectiveness) and the lighter ship is a frigate.
As for their secondary role of Anti-sub, they are by far much easier to be equipped with stronger anti-sub weapons than frigates.
However, however, the cost of running a destroyer is at least 3 times more than a frigate.
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when all the study mamas get mown down, we'll still be the ones left standing.
I think Singapore, having moveed away from the poison shrimp concept, is not that tied down by sensitivity that much, as opposed to force requirement as the main motivation for procurement.
if the TNI gets their destroyers, I would think the gloves are off in this region when it comes to arms purchases. Having said that, the TNI does need a larger class of warships given its archipelago. -
They need to replace their antiques which will be joke in the waters against the sophisicated frigates their neighbours like sg and my is getting.Originally posted by LazerLordz:when all the study mamas get mown down, we'll still be the ones left standing.
I think Singapore, having moveed away from the poison shrimp concept, is not that tied down by sensitivity that much, as opposed to force requirement as the main motivation for procurement.
if the TNI gets their destroyers, I would think the gloves are off in this region when it comes to arms purchases. Having said that, the TNI does need a larger class of warships given its archipelago.
And of course, to improve trade as pirates are rife. A destroyer class vessel will surely worry the pirates.