Singapore Armoured Regiment Organisation and Equipment
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Originally posted by spencer99:Each combined arms division should have one Armd Bde. How come only two Armd Bde (4th and 8th). Where is the third Armd Bde?
56th Singapore Armor Brigade (9th division)
During Jan 92 - Sep 92, it took over units such as 415 SAR,426 SAR, 431 SAR and 432 SAR. On 29 Dec 1993, 56 SAB logo was officially inaugurated by BG Sin Boon Wah. Apr 96 saw the 1st oceania Ex-Wallaby been conducted at Shaolwater Bay in Australia. The stand down of 415 SAR on Apr 92 and 426 SAR on Sep 2000 saw the forming of 2 new units : 465 SAR on Mar 94 and 433 SAR on May 97.
54th Singapore Armour Brigade (6th division)
As the penetrating force in the battlefield, 54 SAB is deemed as the spearhead of the Division and was the first NS Armoured Brigade to be formed under the Combined Arms Division concept. The insignia highlights a triangle with an arrow cast by an armoured vehicle track. The triangle represents the head of a spear, reflecting the use of armour as a spearhead element in the battlefield. Featuring the SAF Armour colours of red and yellow, 54 SAB identifies herself closely with her origins, and is proud to have matured into a fighting fight unit.
the 4th SAB.. eh... that one operate the strike freedom brigade.. deployed on the moon.
http://www.geocities.com/mindef123/Army.html -
based on my assumption... if every SAR has 12 tanks...Originally posted by tripwire:
56th Singapore Armor Brigade (9th division)
During Jan 92 - Sep 92, it took over units such as 415 SAR,426 SAR, 431 SAR and 432 SAR. On 29 Dec 1993, 56 SAB logo was officially inaugurated by BG Sin Boon Wah. Apr 96 saw the 1st oceania Ex-Wallaby been conducted at Shaolwater Bay in Australia. The stand down of 415 SAR on Apr 92 and 426 SAR on Sep 2000 saw the forming of 2 new units : 465 SAR on Mar 94 and 433 SAR on May 97.
54th Singapore Armour Brigade (6th division)
As the penetrating force in the battlefield, 54 SAB is deemed as the spearhead of the Division and was the first NS Armoured Brigade to be formed under the Combined Arms Division concept. The insignia highlights a triangle with an arrow cast by an armoured vehicle track. The triangle represents the head of a spear, reflecting the use of armour as a spearhead element in the battlefield. Featuring the SAF Armour colours of red and yellow, 54 SAB identifies herself closely with her origins, and is proud to have matured into a fighting fight unit.
the 4th SAB.. eh... that one operate the strike freedom brigade.. deployed on the moon.
http://www.geocities.com/mindef123/Army.html
66 leopard tank can form 5 SAR with 6 tanks spare for training.
350 AMX-13 SM1 can form 27 SAR with 26 tanks spare for trainning and attrition losses.
with a total of 32 SAR, and each SAB with 4 SAR, i suspect that SAF has as many as 7 SAB.
other then the known 4th, 8th, 56th and 54th, there are at least another 3 SAB that is not known (add in some support elements.. and viola.. we got an armor divison).
another 22 AMX-10P could easily formed another 2 SAR under another unknown SAB, directly under the command of 21st division.
that should give SAF a grand total of 8 SAB, not including the 2 tempest SAB.
the above are my assumption.. i am not from armor. -
1) Most likely 3 Bn +1 Rcbn to form 1 bde with maybe 4(tnks) reserve. Training numbers has to be up to Bn level for atec. Not common to have more than (12) for normal training purposes...usually have more than enough in case of VOR. Therefore only enough for 4 Bn.Originally posted by tripwire:based on my assumption... if every SAR has 12 tanks...
1) 66 leopard tank can form 5 SAR with 6 tanks spare for training.
2) 350 AMX-13 SM1 can form 27 SAR with 26 tanks spare for trainning and attrition losses.
3) with a total of 32 SAR, and each SAB with 4 SAR, i suspect that SAF has as many as 7 SAB.
4) other then the known 4th, 8th, 56th and 54th, there are at least another 3 SAB that is not known (add in some support elements.. and viola.. we got an armor divison).
5) another 22 AMX-10P could easily formed another 2 SAR under another unknown SAB, directly under the command of 21st division.
6) that should give SAF a grand total of 8 SAB, not including the 2 tempest SAB.
the above are my assumption.. i am not from armor.
2-3) We have 4 training Bns that means ~ 80 SM1s already taken...leaving 270. Take away condemned/destroyed/R&D numbers...maybe 180-240. Leaving just enough for 15-20 BNs... So at most 4-5+ Bde.
4) HmmmMaybe it's only one extra Bde.. Armour division maybe?? maybe not.
5) 22 AMX-10P + 22 AMX-10RC 44 vehicles just enough for 1 Bn. No mix with Ultra...cause different capabilities. Yeah might be RC bn for 21 div
6) same idea as the leopards...minus training+overseas+other stuff most likely enough for 1+ Bde.
Conclusion: Armour Div might still be in formation.
Am from armour.
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Have you guys ever wonder abt some missing numbers???
Active units is 40, 41, 42 , 46, what happen to 43, 44 and 45????
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I am not surprised by "missing" numbers... i think SAF don't really have one number followed by another...Originally posted by gary1910:Have you guys ever wonder abt some missing numbers???
Active units is 40, 41, 42 , 46, what happen to 43, 44 and 45????
eg 3rd, 6th and 9th Division?? and then 21st Division followed by 25th Division!
and AIR forice ... at least a little bit of "system"
12X - Transport and helicopters
13X - Jet Trainers
14X - Combat A/c
15X - Trainers
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Is it the trend now to have the Black Panther on every unit belonging to the 9 Div?Originally posted by tripwire:
56th Singapore Armor Brigade (9th division)
54th Singapore Armour Brigade (6th division)
I find it quite funny to have an infantry (cat) symbol on the logo of an essentially armoured unit even though this SAB will have its own mounted infantrymen. -
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The link provided by tripwire shows that 21 DIV have 2 SAR organic to it, but the total number of AMX10 series work out to only abt 70 vehicles,how to have 2 SAR? The webbie claimed SG have the RC version of AMX10. I dun remember seeing them before, anione see before?
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actually there are 2 more reservist Armoured Bridgade which are under the command of 25th division.Originally posted by tripwire:
56th Singapore Armor Brigade (9th division)
During Jan 92 - Sep 92, it took over units such as 415 SAR,426 SAR, 431 SAR and 432 SAR. On 29 Dec 1993, 56 SAB logo was officially inaugurated by BG Sin Boon Wah. Apr 96 saw the 1st oceania Ex-Wallaby been conducted at Shaolwater Bay in Australia. The stand down of 415 SAR on Apr 92 and 426 SAR on Sep 2000 saw the forming of 2 new units : 465 SAR on Mar 94 and 433 SAR on May 97.
54th Singapore Armour Brigade (6th division)
As the penetrating force in the battlefield, 54 SAB is deemed as the spearhead of the Division and was the first NS Armoured Brigade to be formed under the Combined Arms Division concept. The insignia highlights a triangle with an arrow cast by an armoured vehicle track. The triangle represents the head of a spear, reflecting the use of armour as a spearhead element in the battlefield. Featuring the SAF Armour colours of red and yellow, 54 SAB identifies herself closely with her origins, and is proud to have matured into a fighting fight unit.
the 4th SAB.. eh... that one operate the strike freedom brigade.. deployed on the moon.
http://www.geocities.com/mindef123/Army.html -
Guys? Maybe we should not reveal too much here alright. Just a gentle reminder.
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Dont believe everything he say... haha...he doesnt know half of what's he's talking about. Besides...the website is half outdated
http://www.geocities.com/mindef123/Army.html
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and tankee's right SSsshhhhhhhh! Doesnt matter how much more stuff we have...i worry more about what THEY have. Dont need much of guns/bombs to put anyone of us out of action when the real thing starts anyway
Edit: no lar i mean dont need anything more than a sharpnel from a grenade to make us start screaming...not referring to anything else... we are still
PI BAO GU (skin covering bones) -
you are getting me worried... time to dig under gombak for our nerve agent and nukes...Originally posted by CM06:
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LOL! I see all the "organizational" structure until blur liao.
With 66 Leo2s, definitely a large number of them will be kept for ops storage and a small quantity for training purposes. We don't want to wear them out before actually need to use them. Right? -
did we also bought 30 spare tanks? or issit some kinds spare parts..
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No way, all the manufactured Leo 2 are still used by 13 nations and soon 14!!!Originally posted by mrblitzer21:did we also bought 30 spare tanks? or issit some kinds spare parts..
Spares itself should not be problem becos the demand is there.
The reasons for spare tank 30 could be modified as :
1) Driver Training Tank (Fahrschulpanzer) Possible 1~2
2) The Bueffel Armored Recovery Vehicle Possible 8~10
3) Leguan Leopard 2 AVLB Possible 12~16
Bridge could same one on our VLB or the latest PSB2 bridge.
4) Leopard 2 AEV (Pionierpanzer 3 Kodiak). Possible 4~6
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm
Or could be simply refurnished by ourself so not to alarm our neighbours too much by having all 96 operational Leo 2 MBTs!!!! -
25 DIV according to Tim Huxley is more of a reserve division. He claims that there is a possible 32 DIV, of which 4 SAB is a part of.Originally posted by ah-soh:actually there are 2 more reservist Armoured Bridgade which are under the command of 25th division.
BTW, is 46 SAR part of 4 SAB or 8 SAB? Also, since when has 4 SAB been based @ Kranji? Wasn't it from Sungai Gedung all along? -
Wah lau.......you guys better watch out. Don't go too deep into the "real stuff".
66 Leo2 not enough to form one Division.
Notice that ours are combined arms division, so don't need so many tanks.
But in western world.....
Armoured Division means 200 MBTs, 100 IFVs.
Mech Inf Div means 100 MBTs, 200 IFVs. -
In reality , our CADs are considered as Inf Div , not even a Mech Inf Div in western world.Originally posted by sane_guy2:Wah lau.......you guys better watch out. Don't go too deep into the "real stuff".
66 Leo2 not enough to form one Division.
Notice that ours are combined arms division, so don't need so many tanks.
But in western world.....
Armoured Division means 200 MBTs, 100 IFVs.
Mech Inf Div means 100 MBTs, 200 IFVs.
As for 25 Div, do you know that the at least the last 2 Chief Armour Officer is also the Cmder of that Div!!! -
21/25 Divs are reserve divs..... so dont look into them having too much stuff...They are like the reserve of us reservists....if they are activated it means most of the us are pretty much in refrigerator trucks..
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No lah.. i think there is confusion there...Originally posted by gary1910:In reality , our CADs are considered as Inf Div , not even a Mech Inf Div in western world.
As for 25 Div, do you know that the at least the last 2 Chief Armour Officer is also the Cmder of that Div!!!
it could be that the Chief Armour Officer will wear "dual hats". be a head of HQ Armour and at the same time Comd of a "Paper" division.
You don't expect a LG or BG to head a "Paper" division and that is ALL that he does! -
It is also the unit that kiap the most arrows between years 2001 and 2003.Originally posted by lionnoisy:[b]--Factsheet - 42 SAR - Army First Bionix Armed Battle Group.
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actually 46 SAR was the one that got the most arrows thenOriginally posted by ditzy:It is also the unit that kiap the most arrows between years 2001 and 2003. 
Cant let me *sway* buddies' efforts go down the drain with that kind of remarks -
21st Div is supposedly a reserve div but in actual fact its a rapid deployment force. Are you aware that 7 SIB and its various Guards units (including 1 & 3 GDS and several NS Guards units) come under 21 Div? I scoff at the statement "don't look into them having too much stuff".Originally posted by CM06:21/25 Divs are reserve divs..... so dont look into them having too much stuff...They are like the reserve of us reservists....if they are activated it means most of the us are pretty much in refrigerator trucks.. -
I do...it's under the charge of CoG but no point blowing our own trumpet anyway. I rather somestuff remain under the status quoOriginally posted by sgf:21st Div is supposedly a reserve div but in actual fact its a rapid deployment force. Are you aware that 7 SIB and its various Guards units (including 1 & 3 GDS and several NS Guards units) come under 21 Div? I scoff at the statement "don't look into them having too much stuff".
What else can we do but say WORLD PEACE to our neighbours : threaten them with else we shoot you to pieces?
Bottomline...i rather have an underprepared enemy then an over prepared enemy... which is why we should keep stuff to under "status quo" -
Let's look at the number , 100+ Tempest plus 66+30 Leo 2 can certainly make up a whole farking Heavy Armoured Div!!!!
Then you add in say 2 Bn of Primus SPH , 100 BX II , and a few Apaches etc.
It will scare the sh!t out of anyone in the region!!!!