Japanese Defense Ministry back up!
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"TOKYO - Japan on Friday created a full-fledged defence ministry for the first time since World War II, when the United States stripped the defeated country of its right to a military. "
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Yes. Send them all to IRAQ.Originally posted by Pitot:"TOKYO - Japan on Friday created a full-fledged defence ministry for the first time since World War II, when the United States stripped the defeated country of its right to a military. "
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The return of Japanese Imperialism?
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not even within the realm of possibility ... not when there's a huge dragon rising, intent on the same thing ... and everyone in their immediate neighbourhood is pretty powerful ... unlike more than half a century ago ...Originally posted by tankee1981:The return of Japanese Imperialism?
methinks it's more of a reaction on their part ... -
We should welcome this. More military might disparate across the various countries in our region will keep in each other in check.
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One thing for sure ... when the Japanese military budget goes up ... it will re-enforce the arms race cycle ...
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looks more like something from godzilla movie..Originally posted by Texcoco II:
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Another thing for sure - they will build aircraft carriers to regain blue water capabilityOriginally posted by gd4u:One thing for sure ... when the Japanese military budget goes up ... it will re-enforce the arms race cycle ... -
Actually they are already building Osumi class LST which experts say can easily be converted to small aircraft carriers for VSTOL planes. They call them Disaster Relief Ships so as to not cause any political and international backlash.Originally posted by abao:Another thing for sure - they will build aircraft carriers to regain blue water capability
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x10.Originally posted by gd4u:One thing for sure ... when the Japanese military budget goes up ... it will re-enforce the arms race cycle ...
Japan Defence Agency or the Japan Self Defence Forces are currently spending 44.7 Billion USD in military spending, rank 5th in the world, that should be more than enough for self defence. But, they will want more to take on China (spending 62.5 Billion), and the Koreas.
JSDF equipped by the US is technological more advance than its neighboring countries. Such advantage is likely to be maintained for some time to come. Do they really need to do more for self defence? or to take on a more aggressive role?
With continuing denial of their WW2 atrocities, the distortion of history in their textbook, the worshipping of the war criminal at yasukuni war shrine are clear signs that the japanese war imperialism is not dead and gone, but waiting to be revived. There are obviously more reasons for Japan's neighbours to be wary of them than they are of their neighbours.
So what is the significance of the 'upgrading' of the JDA to JDM? responging to the rise of the dragon?
The dragon rised up for fear of the revival of imperialism, the imperialism rise up in response to the rise of dragon, the dragon will rise even higher in response.......
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soon they will have Super Aircraft carriers dubbed 'Mobile Disaster Relief and Rescue Center'
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I don't really think this is an issue. Like what Fatum said, Asia isn't what it was during the Pre-war,WWII era. Japan had the opportunity to dominate her neighbours because she modernized sooner than Qing China. Today, China has a nuclear arsenal of 200,defended by the world's largest army. Not to mention that this military is rapidly modernizing. Japanese Imperialism won't happen again simply because it won't be such a great mismatch like during the pre-war era.
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Japan's piss off with China waving the "WWII atrocities stick" time and again and again and again. I guess Japan has enough of China's whining and this is to tell them to keep quiet..
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I disagree.. did you look at GW1, Balkans NATO intervention and GW2, the most recent large scale conflicts.Originally posted by fallin:I don't really think this is an issue. Like what Fatum said, Asia isn't what it was during the Pre-war,WWII era. Japan had the opportunity to dominate her neighbours because she modernized sooner than Qing China. Today, China has a nuclear arsenal of 200,defended by the world's largest army. Not to mention that this military is rapidly modernizing. Japanese Imperialism won't happen again simply because it won't be such a great mismatch like during the pre-war era.
Technology is even more key then ever.. you are either a modern armed force or a target....
in my view, China is a paper tiger, even though it has a large (numerical) armed force, it is technological backward and will probably be defeated easily...
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PLA ... technologically backward ? .....Originally posted by spencer99:I disagree.. did you look at GW1, Balkans NATO intervention and GW2, the most recent large scale conflicts.
Technology is even more key then ever.. you are either a modern armed force or a target....
in my view, China is a paper tiger, even though it has a large (numerical) armed force, it is technological backward and will probably be defeated easily...
This is most evident on its air force and navy.... the two services that will be most prominent in any potential conflict.
*lubz chin ...
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Well, like it or not, the PLA still have their nuclear warheads.Originally posted by spencer99:I disagree.. did you look at GW1, Balkans NATO intervention and GW2, the most recent large scale conflicts.
Technology is even more key then ever.. you are either a modern armed force or a target....
in my view, China is a paper tiger, even though it has a large (numerical) armed force, it is technological backward and will probably be defeated easily...
This is most evident on its air force and navy.... the two services that will be most prominent in any potential conflict.
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China, is a very big place. I seriously don't believe the Japs can take every nook and crany. If Japan tries to pull off any stunt again, can you imagine the partisan activity? That same conflict you mentioned, GW 2, also showed the US, being dragged into a insurgency with a low tech force. Even if the PLA is defeated, I don't see the Japanese effectively controlling the place.Originally posted by spencer99:I disagree.. did you look at GW1, Balkans NATO intervention and GW2, the most recent large scale conflicts.
Technology is even more key then ever.. you are either a modern armed force or a target....
in my view, China is a paper tiger, even though it has a large (numerical) armed force, it is technological backward and will probably be defeated easily...
This is most evident on its air force and navy.... the two services that will be most prominent in any potential conflict. -
I have to disagree with your view point, if you look closely, the PLA have been modernizing in the last few years,both the PLAN and PLAAF, just look at their 052C class AAW destroyer, sure will give the aegis equipped kongo class a run for their money, though they(PLAN) are still rather weak in power projection capabilities and the ASW department.Nevertheless, in the likely theaters of conflicts, they are still a credible and deadly force not to be taken lightly.As for their air force, with all their Su-27 and J10s coming on service together with their new AWACS, it will be able provide extensive air cover for the PLAN if they operate in the littorals and slightly out.Originally posted by spencer99:I disagree.. did you look at GW1, Balkans NATO intervention and GW2, the most recent large scale conflicts.
Technology is even more key then ever.. you are either a modern armed force or a target....
in my view, China is a paper tiger, even though it has a large (numerical) armed force, it is technological backward and will probably be defeated easily...
This is most evident on its air force and navy.... the two services that will be most prominent in any potential conflict.
Lastly like what miserable says, they still have their second artillery corps to provide a deterrent enough to make the japanese think twice
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Having the toys, but lacking in the processes of system integration to fight as one joint force, is another issue altogether.
The PLA is a decent force, but anything beyond Taiwan, they will have a problem sustaining a land grab. They might be able to hit shipping further south to the Spratlys and Senkakus, but to project brigades across the waters to the islands, require air superiority in the Pacific.
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I can't agree more with you, integration of these toys is important to make them work.Yes, they have limited operational capabilities in the south china sea to, but in the scenario of a naval clash in the east china sea, they still stand a good chance.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Having the toys, but lacking in the processes of system integration to fight as one joint force, is another issue altogether.
The PLA is a decent force, but anything beyond Taiwan, they will have a problem sustaining a land grab. They might be able to hit shipping further south to the Spratlys and Senkakus, but to project brigades across the waters to the islands, require air superiority in the Pacific.
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look gents, the issue here is not about whether the PLA's able to defend China, or whether the Japanese, or any other country on this earth, can defeat China .....
you can't, and don't "defeat" a billion people .... and you don't take over a country the size, today, or more than half a century ago ....
remember the yuan dynasty ? .... the ching dynasty ? .... be it mongol or manchu hoardes, sooner or later, the vastness of the country, and the sheer number of people would simply swallow any invaders up ! You see any manchuria today ? ... tibet ? ... where's inner mongolia ? ... if the japanese succeeded 60 years ago, today, there won't be any japanese left .... they'll all be chinese ! ... ....
so the question is really, how China defines her boundaries, her ambitions, and how she welds her power, eh ? ... funny thing is how the Chinese claims to the "south sands" (spratleys), has it roots from qing goverment maps, a foreign dynasty, eh ? ... if you take a look at any official chinese maps, it shows basically the whole of the south china sea as chinese territorial waters ..... and some chaps are worried about a puny hundred million or so japanese ? .... ... perhaps our national education classes are succeeding very well, but in the wrong way ...
oh, btw ... Iraq wasn't the first country to defy the UN .... China was ... and she took on the whole UN army in korea, if anyone forgot about it ... now this is not to rattle people off or finger the Chinese as potential imperialists, but to point out that, really, we have bigger things to worry about that to pander to to the 60 years old nightmare of invading japanese hoardes .... -
There is a possible picket line in the South China Sea should they try to make those maps the reality.Originally posted by orionlight:I can't agree more with you, integration of these toys is important to make them work.Yes, they have limited operational capabilities in the south china sea to, but in the scenario of a naval clash in the east china sea, they still stand a good chance.
Like what Fatum says, sometimes a bit of historical perspective will do us good. Anything can happen. History never repeats itself exactly to a T, but she sure learns a bit of evolution here and there. Nothing wrong with keeping one eye on things up north in my opinion. -
How so?I see the neighbouring countries that have claims on the spratleys have no substantial defence and there is nothing to stop china from taking these islands.Originally posted by LazerLordz:There is a possible picket line in the South China Sea should they try to make those maps the reality.
Like what Fatum says, sometimes a bit of historical perspective will do us good. Anything can happen. History never repeats itself exactly to a T, but she sure learns a bit of evolution here and there. Nothing wrong with keeping one eye on things up north in my opinion. -
you're right, the phillipines' military is a comedy act, brunei has no fighter jets, Malaysia's military is good only for rattling sabers at us ... the only countries able and willing to show any fight at all are the vietnamese and the taiwanese ....Originally posted by orionlight:How so?I see the neighbouring countries that have claims on the spratleys have no substantial defence and there is nothing to stop china from taking these islands.
but the chinese are probably the brightest and most pragmatic people on earth ...
time is centuries to them ... they'll be patient, upsetting the international status quo is of no interest to them, nor are they interested in fighting uncle sam right now when uncle sam is weakening himself day by day in the war on terror, they doesn't want to be the next super power now, not yet, for uncle sam's problems would become THEIR problem after, and uncle sam's super consumer society is the catalyst is basically china's economic growth engine ...but one day, they may just "win" over the spratleys (and taiwan of course) without having to fire a shot ....
take for example, south korea, although the most recent memories for south koreans would be fighting against the Chinese's "people's volunteer army' during the korean war (funny how things go eh, that the memory that lingers for them were older japanese ones) ... the chinese are actively courting the south koreans so as to try and move her away from uncle sam's sphere of influence ... do you know south korean businessmen enjoy the same tax and property ownership privileges as "overseas compatriots"; HK and taiwanese businessmen ? ... China doesn't give a flying fark about north korea, it's an embaressment to them, but if south korea is aligned with China instead of the states, then china can safely let north korean collaspe, and let the south shoulder the burden, neh ? ...
when China finally rears her head for real ... we'll all know she's already won .....
so .... is your "pu tong hua" good ? ...