Singapore to Acquire Refurbished Leopard Tanks
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Haha the many things recruits doOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Some recruits have this notion that the SAF is made up of Infantry and SISPEC/OCS.
When me and my section mate were doing our evening jogs and light workouts around Tekong in our 6DIV garrison polos(we were on recourse) , we were interrupted by whole sections/platoons "diam-ing" themselves and greeting us Sirs.
My friend was quite irritated when he was doing his chin-ups and the neighbouring coy kept coming up to him and greeting him. He stopped and told them he's just a LCP, then one of the recruits pointed to the 6DIV badge, and asked him if he's an officer.
On the other hand, many of us were guilty of such hilarious moments in our recruit days, but of course we are not going to say out here -
For most recruits polo shirts automatically= officer or spec. Most of the other perm staff on Tekong do not wear polos, so naturally they will make this connection.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Some recruits have this notion that the SAF is made up of Infantry and SISPEC/OCS.
When me and my section mate were doing our evening jogs and light workouts around Tekong in our 6DIV garrison polos(we were on recourse) , we were interrupted by whole sections/platoons "diam-ing" themselves and greeting us Sirs.
My friend was quite irritated when he was doing his chin-ups and the neighbouring coy kept coming up to him and greeting him. He stopped and told them he's just a LCP, then one of the recruits pointed to the 6DIV badge, and asked him if he's an officer. -
Yeah, but it was funny to see my friend get so worked up. Funny how they targeted him all the time. Maybe it was his build.. SAFSA rugby player..Originally posted by Typhoon:For most recruits polo shirts automatically= officer or spec. Most of the other perm staff on Tekong do not wear polos, so naturally they will make this connection.
Delta : Yeah we did lots of crazy stuff as recruits as well.. haha. -
Not all SBS buses are parked in interchanges or depots. Some are parked at bus stops, prepositioned for the next day's 1st bus. Somebody took a leaf from military logistics.Originally posted by moca:Perhaps you are OVERESTIMATING the space needed to put in storage a few hundred or even a few thousand AFVs in Singapore.
Let me ask yo a simple question: How many buses do you think SBS has? A hundred? A thousand? At night when they are not on the road, they are in storage at the depots right?
A bus is usually bigger than most AFVs. So if SBS can park a thousand buses, I'm sure our mighty SAF can store a few thousand AFVs no problem. -
As in some RSAF aircrafts parked ready for scramble?Originally posted by touchstone_2000:Not all SBS buses are parked in interchanges or depots. Some are parked at bus stops, prepositioned for the next day's 1st bus. Somebody took a leaf from military logistics.
It is quite mind boggling when you think that not only do we have a few thousand AFVs, SAF also have many, many thousands of other vehicles like rovers, jeeps, staff cars, tonners, unimogs, cranes, trailers etc etc etc. And yes, SAF even have buses!
Actually, I have a question for those whom have been training overseas:
Does your unit bring their own arms or are the arms already there? I said earlier that we probably have training weapons already there but come to think of it, my ROC trip was so long ago I can't remember properly.
I went to ROC as part of an infantry brigade.
I do remember we only brought our own helmet, uniform, SBO and maybe ET also, plus non-weapon equipment specific to our vocation.
As I was part of the Bde S2, I remember we were responsible for obtaining thousands of ROC maps for the entire brigade from the Taiwanese authorities.
Now ROC maps are considered extremely sensitve material due to the state of war between ROC and PRC. Inevitably, many copies of maps were lost by the end of excercise and out S2 WO got hell for it from the Taiwanese authorities.
But most of all, I remember the atrocious concentration camp-style of the Taiwanese barracks. The food in Pao Li No 4 camp was not fit for pigs. And the toilets were the stuff of nightmares. I had never been for eager to go out into the field. -
There are underground ammunition dumps... so it isn't inconceivable that you could store these tanks underground.... in very large underground chambers.
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This thread is totally off the track. The topic of this thread was Leopard Tanks right ?
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Well, not completely off topic. Some people are saying where are all these tanks and AFV's we supposedly have? If they are all overseas what if war happens etc etc.Originally posted by glock:This thread is totally off the track. The topic of this thread was Leopard Tanks right ? -
For those who dunno, majority of our MBTs or any other AFVs are always in SG , only small amount are for oversea training.
That I know for a fact.
I know where they are in SG and are guarded by MP, only those who are cleared by MSD are allowed to enter the compound, I have heard that a Cpt was told to fxxkoff by the MP becos he was not on the list. -
hmm maybe we shdn't know this?Originally posted by gary1910:For those who dunno, majority of our MBTs or any other AFVs are always in SG , only small amount are for oversea training.
That I know for a fact.
I know where they are in SG and are guarded by MP, only those who are cleared by MSD are allowed to enter the compound, I have heard that a Cpt was told to fxxkoff by the MP becos he was not on the list. -
It's alright. Good to have some reassurances too.Originally posted by beavan:hmm maybe we shdn't know this? -
They can also acquire Apache helicopter, A-10 to counter enemy tanks
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Is SAF so stupid to have all our MBTs overseas that take abt a week+ to ship back becos the conflict could be over by then!!!!!Originally posted by beavan:hmm maybe we shdn't know this?
Training is one thing but the main purpose of our fighting eqmt is meant to be here when there is a conflict.
For example, just like our Apaches , they were shipped back to SG & comissioned last year just b4 the MY got their hand on their PT-91 which should be delivered by this year. -
A situation takes at least a couple of weeks to develop and then escalate in into an all out catastrophe. There is still some time to react. However, I believe that most of equipment ( as pointed out in an earlier post ) is in Spore.
Can we getback to the Leopard thread ; we have veered far away from the original intended topic of Leopard tanks. -
On my own, I used to hike and bike a lot in the nature reserve forests around MacRitchie, Lower Pierce, Upper Pierce and to a lesser extent, Seletar.Originally posted by gary1910:Is SAF so stupid to have all our MBTs overseas that take abt a week+ to ship back becos the conflict could be over by then!!!!!
Training is one thing but the main purpose of our fighting eqmt is meant to be here when there is a conflict.
For example, just like our Apaches , they were shipped back to SG & comissioned last year just b4 the MY got their hand on their PT-91 which should be delivered by this year.
I can say that I know the area like the back of my hand. It was like my playground.
Why is this relevant? Inside the reservoirs' nature reserve, there are electric fence-fortified compounds and buildings that have nothing to do with the supply and process of water. CIS once had a hand grenade explosion, killing one worker, in one of their ammo warehouses inside the nature reserve areas.
I'm sure there are many more things I have yet to find. This is just to illustrate that Singapore will not show everything to the public. -
The recent battles between Israeli Army & Hizbullah clearly show that even the most heavily armored MBT, the Merkava 3 & 4 armour can be penetrated by the latest gen of Russian ATGMs.
The Leo II A4 even when upgraded with new armor will fare no better against the latest ATGMs.
Maybe better for SAF to get Russian ATGMs rather than more MBTs in future. Can we have 12 ATGMs for each infantry battalion ? -
True... If we could just equip ourselves AI or Infantry platoon with two sections of 12 mounted ATGM...Originally posted by glock:The recent battles between Israeli Army & Hizbullah clearly show that even the most heavily armored MBT, the Merkava 3 & 4 armour can be penetrated by the latest gen of Russian ATGMs.
The Leo II A4 even when upgraded with new armor will fare no better against the latest ATGMs.
Maybe better for SAF to get Russian ATGMs rather than more MBTs in future. Can we have 12 ATGMs for each infantry battalion ? -
there's a difference. MBT is an offence weapon, ATGM defensive.Originally posted by glock:Maybe better for SAF to get Russian ATGMs rather than more MBTs in future. -
Agreed that MBT for offence and ATGM for defence.
I am saying we shud have a lot more ATGMs for all battalions for the counter MBT role. Since the latest gen of ATGMs so effective against MBTs, we need not depend on our own MBTs to defend / fight against enemy MBTs if we have more ATGMs. -
maybe ATGM is too much?
it's real bulky and heavy. -
One APFSDS round costs about $700 bucks, while and ATGM can cost up to 10K a pop. Doing the math we can see why it may not be so cool to shoot our ATGMs at everything.Originally posted by beavan:maybe ATGM is too much?
it's real bulky and heavy. -
Buy Russian ATGM and maybe it costs $3000 a pop.
Mount the ATGM on a Bionix or Land Rover and you solve the weight problem. -
If you are talking about those cheapo, older 2-camels a missile Ruskie ATGMs then yes. But these systems suffer from a lot of issues and limitations, and come to think of it... if you are going to use it to pop a bunker or annoy a tank... why not just use an 84 which far more flexible? If the low cost was really so attractive and useful, we would be totting Saggers nows.Originally posted by glock:Buy Russian ATGM and maybe it costs $3000 a pop.
Mount the ATGM on a Bionix or Land Rover and you solve the weight problem.
The newer (and more useful) russian ATGMs don't come cheap at all. In the end a shell is still cheaper, esp. when you are engaging targets that don't really move and have a clear LOS to. -
Australian Defence Force(ADF) ARE using the Leo2's.....they train with them in two of our training grounds,Laverick Barracks in Townsville,Queensland, and Kapooka Recruitment and Training Barracks in Wagga Wagga,New South Wales.
They are also transported to, and used in training at Shoalwater Bay Training Area,on ADF exercises.
As for what will happen to the SAF's unused tanks,there is already talk at work that they are to be sent here for Exercise Wallaby 07.Which may I add,is going to be the biggest exercise ever,seeing as an Urban Warfare Cantre is in the process of being built,aswell as major upgrades,such as Camp Growl being extended to be 3 times the size of Sam Hill.
We already have possession of a number of tanks and other vehicles year round,in between exercises,they are stored at our work base by the SAF.