Op Crimson Angel of SAF
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During the tense situation in Cambodia in early-May 97 when hostilities broke out between forces loyal to the two rival PMs, the SAF mounted Operation Crimson Angel to evacuate over 400 Singaporeans from Cambodia.
2.an SOF Team was deployed with the RSAF at Pochentong International Airport on 9 Jul 97
3.C-130 arrived sg in 3 hours after tounched down in Phnom Penh--Posted: 09 Jul 1997, 0900 hours
4.who say SAF has not been tested?
map of SEA
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During the 98 Indonesian riots,some SAF units were "tested" also.
No further details...Shhhh...
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
hmm... tested as in did they really fire at the cambodians?
During the tense situation in Cambodia in early-May 97 when hostilities broke out between forces loyal to the two rival PMs,[b] the SAF mounted Operation Crimson Angel to evacuate over 400 Singaporeans from Cambodia.
2.an SOF Team was deployed with the RSAF at Pochentong International Airport on 9 Jul 97
3.C-130 arrived sg in 3 hours after tounched down in Phnom Penh--Posted: 09 Jul 1997, 0900 hours
4.who say SAF has not been tested?
map of SEA
map of Combodia[/b] -
Combat exfiltration. The guys were on hostile ground and were armed 24/7.Originally posted by ah_kwang:hmm... tested as in did they really fire at the cambodians? -
i don't think they fought.
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thk god they did not have to.Originally posted by beavan:i don't think they fought. -
Let me give you further details..Originally posted by Marco_Simone:During the 98 Indonesian riots,some SAF units were "tested" also.
No further details...Shhhh...
The Defence attache of Singapore Embassy in Jakarta (usually a COL), have to ensure the safety of the Embassy.
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I think they are there to provide perimeter defense and security to the RSAF aircraft and citizens.Originally posted by ah_kwang:hmm... tested as in did they really fire at the cambodians?
Don't think Cambodian government (who allowed diplomatic clearance) will allow them to open fire unnecessarily. -
Just curious, what are the laws governing foreign troops on our grounds for the protection of embassies? Does the US embassy in SG have those big Marine guards out front? Also, are they allowed to be armed here?Originally posted by Ponders:Let me give you further details..
The Defence attache of Singapore Embassy in Jakarta (usually a COL), have to ensure the safety of the Embassy.
That's about all.
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Vienna Convention provides for Embassies to be the sovereign territory of the country of that embassy (not literally).Originally posted by SpecOps87:Just curious, what are the laws governing foreign troops on our grounds for the protection of embassies? Does the US embassy in SG have those big Marine guards out front? Also, are they allowed to be armed here?
Thanks!
Basically, Embassies are immune from local laws but host country can enforce local laws upon approval from the Embassies's country.
Whether US embassy in SG have Marine guards is up to US's assessment of the security in Singapore.
But it has been policy for them to station a detail at least at every Embassy/Consulate. THey have an entire Marine Security Battalion to guard their embassies worldwide.
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For the evacuation, the Thai marines had the whole airfield secured. All our forces did was to usher the evacuees onboard.Originally posted by Ponders:I think they are there to provide perimeter defense and security to the RSAF aircraft and citizens.
Don't think Cambodian government (who allowed diplomatic clearance) will allow them to open fire unnecessarily. -
So our forces really just did the "Cleaning up" of Singaporeans?
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Since RSAF was there to rescue Singaporaens...Originally posted by acwire_2125:So our forces really just did the "Cleaning up" of Singaporeans?
what happens if in the family.
A singaporean woman married to a cambodian man and has kids who took Cambodian citizenship?
only the Woman can board the C-130? -
Your scenario reminds me of the US evacuation from Saigon near the end of the Vietnam war. There are limited spaces on the helicopters but too many people rushing to go onboard.Originally posted by Ponders:Since RSAF was there to rescue Singaporaens...
what happens if in the family.
A singaporean woman married to a cambodian man and has kids who took Cambodian citizenship?
only the Woman can board the C-130?
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Thats something new. Do you have any links? ThanksOriginally posted by calvin2224:For the evacuation, the Thai marines had the whole airfield secured. All our forces did was to usher the evacuees onboard. -
From my experience a decade ago while during early teens, went to the embassy in singapore to do visa to go to states with my friend. The outer guardhouse the one beside the main road is manned by local singaporean guards or employees. they just conduct normal checking ur bags then u go thru the sensor. Walk a bit up the slope to the inner guardhouse. This one quite scary especially for a dude of my age. Inside all huge beefy, men in black type dudes. All US personnel, most of them i saw were Bruthas. But they didnt wear suits cos friday so wear polo tee i spose. All armed with side holster. They ask u go thru the sensor, empty everything out then use the handheld paddle over u. Then go forward so that another guy can pat u down. Imagine shortie speckie me being patted down by NFL size linebackers. Think if one of them chokeslam me at that time siow liao no chance ever for me to engage targets with my 'personal matador' hehe. Anyways after clearing it go to main foyer. They have the ubiquitous embassy marines in their famous peak cap, dress blue pants with red piping and khaki shirt and armed with side holsters too guarding the place. Saw a pair patrolling. Then have a few leatherneck inside this bulletproof glass booths usually in front of hallway leading to other wings of the place. Some hallways dont have. But now thinking back quite sober experience especially after watching bourne identity i think. Oh yeah and when ur standing on the main road boy it really looks a hell like a fortress lol. Aus high commission on the right, its on the left, cant imagine an infantry company assaulting it without air support.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Just curious, what are the laws governing foreign troops on our grounds for the protection of embassies? Does the US embassy in SG have those big Marine guards out front? Also, are they allowed to be armed here?
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actually inf company whacking it would be pretty easy uh....thats like 100 guys rushing an embassy.....infantry isnt train with being subtle arh....they'll whack the embassy with 84mm....matadors...everything uh b4 actually going inside with the cover of the 3 MGs...Originally posted by Darkbaron:From my experience a decade ago while during early teens, went to the embassy in singapore to do visa to go to states with my friend. The outer guardhouse the one beside the main road is manned by local singaporean guards or employees. they just conduct normal checking ur bags then u go thru the sensor. Walk a bit up the slope to the inner guardhouse. This one quite scary especially for a dude of my age. Inside all huge beefy, men in black type dudes. All US personnel, most of them i saw were Bruthas. But they didnt wear suits cos friday so wear polo tee i spose. All armed with side holster. They ask u go thru the sensor, empty everything out then use the handheld paddle over u. Then go forward so that another guy can pat u down. Imagine shortie speckie me being patted down by NFL size linebackers. Think if one of them chokeslam me at that time siow liao no chance ever for me to engage targets with my 'personal matador' hehe. Anyways after clearing it go to main foyer. They have the ubiquitous embassy marines in their famous peak cap, dress blue pants with red piping and khaki shirt and armed with side holsters too guarding the place. Saw a pair patrolling. Then have a few leatherneck inside this bulletproof glass booths usually in front of hallway leading to other wings of the place. Some hallways dont have. But now thinking back quite sober experience especially after watching bourne identity i think. Oh yeah and when ur standing on the main road boy it really looks a hell like a fortress lol. Aus high commission on the right, its on the left, cant imagine an infantry company assaulting it without air support.
if u want style....y not let any Spec Ops unit raid it...with the proper 'mechanics and formula' of course -
Got to dig out old press archives at library man... 97 was a long time back in the early days of the Internet. I was serving at the time, and the word did go round.
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Any more real life ops by our SAF which are not made public yet?
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As early as March 1997, the SAF had emergency plans for Singaporeans living in Cambodia in case of unrest there. They were told, among other things, to gather at designated places like the Sofitel Cambodian Hotel in Phnom Penh.
SAF Personnel directing evacuees to the waiting aircraft at Pochentong International Airport
2.source ;1981 Onwards (A Maturing SAF) -
When i went to do visa in 2005. it was protected by Gurkha guards.. the main security gate was manned by civilian (loca) secruity guys... have to empty all pockets.. go through metal detector, no handphone allowed etc etc....Originally posted by Darkbaron:From my experience a decade ago while during early teens, went to the embassy in singapore to do visa to go to states with my friend. The outer guardhouse the one beside the main road is manned by local singaporean guards or employees. they just conduct normal checking ur bags then u go thru the sensor. Walk a bit up the slope to the inner guardhouse. This one quite scary especially for a dude of my age. Inside all huge beefy, men in black type dudes. All US personnel, most of them i saw were Bruthas. But they didnt wear suits cos friday so wear polo tee i spose. All armed with side holster. They ask u go thru the sensor, empty everything out then use the handheld paddle over u. Then go forward so that another guy can pat u down. Imagine shortie speckie me being patted down by NFL size linebackers. Think if one of them chokeslam me at that time siow liao no chance ever for me to engage targets with my 'personal matador' hehe. Anyways after clearing it go to main foyer. They have the ubiquitous embassy marines in their famous peak cap, dress blue pants with red piping and khaki shirt and armed with side holsters too guarding the place. Saw a pair patrolling. Then have a few leatherneck inside this bulletproof glass booths usually in front of hallway leading to other wings of the place. Some hallways dont have. But now thinking back quite sober experience especially after watching bourne identity i think. Oh yeah and when ur standing on the main road boy it really looks a hell like a fortress lol. Aus high commission on the right, its on the left, cant imagine an infantry company assaulting it without air support.
behind the gate is a Gurkha with a MP5. I walk up that slope to the main entrance... no "Marines" visible at all...
I think i saw another Gurkha somewhere also...
The Gukhas are not visible from the street.. i guess either becuase it is "sensitive" that they have Singapore mecerancies guarding US embassy, or they do not want the Gukhas guards to be vulnerable to any sniper fire in the event of a real attack. -
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I don't think the Marines are stationed outside. We are not in a warzone.
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Combat exfiltration. The guys were on hostile ground and were armed 24/7.
Isnt there a Standard Rule...Do not fire until Fire upon...
If any of our troops there were shot...there will be quite a political Disaster...I assume... -
I dont think SG government is very concerned about the perception of hiring mercenaries for protection. Even LKY's house is protected by grukhas. and they are famed and reputed for loyalty. WW2 provides some instances.
Anyway, I have seen these ghrukas in their distinctive khaki headgear wielding Mp5s at the US embassy at the front gate.
Anyway, the embassy may not be as easy to attack. If you look at the embassy, it IS a fortress. Talk about security i think no one does it better than the yanks. You have to hand it to them.
