Pics of RSAF planes in formation with foreign military?
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Hi,
We have seen numerous pics of US planes in formation with foreign jets eg:
- US A-10 & F-16 in formation with Egyptian F-16, MiG-21 & -15UTI during Exercise Bright Star '82;
- USN F-14 in flight with Croatian MiG-21;
- USAF F-15C with IAF SU-30.
So just wondering, does anyone here seen pics of RSAF planes in formation with a foreign military planes? Esp given the many exercises that the RSAF conducts locally (with visiting allied planes) or overseas exercises (eg, to Thailand, Austalia, France, India, even the US) my recollection doesn't recall me seeing pictures of RSAF planes in formation with a foreign military jet (the only one which I remember seeing is a RSAF KC-135 'refuelling' RAAF F-111s in AirForces Monthly).
Regardless of the pics are RSAF 'intercepts', transports, choppers etc (btw, the planes MUST have RSAF roudels, US-based RSAF with USAF roundels doesn't count). If you have, please post share them here.
Let me start off here with the followng pic as example (with the RMAF prize inventory with a visiting USN F-14);
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The US DOD's DVIC may have some pictures. Or the ADF's media gallery database.
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Hi LazerLordz,Originally posted by LazerLordz:The US DOD's DVIC may have some pictures. Or the ADF's media gallery database.
Thanks for the info. I have searched through the ADF gallery and found most of the pics for PitchBlack Exercises.... but mostly the pics are on the ground or taken of RSAF planes & RTAF or RAAF planes on the ground.
But I found the pic that I had stated earlier:
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From the same exercise & ADF file, RTAF & RSAF F-16s on the apron:
...But aren't there any pics of RSAF planes in formation with other military IN THE AIR? -
hey no problem.Originally posted by Black Aces:Hi LazerLordz,
Thanks for the info. I have searched through the ADF gallery and found most of the pics for PitchBlack Exercises.... but mostly the pics are are on the ground or taken of RSAF planes & RTAF or RAAF planes on the ground.
But I found the pic that I had stated earlier:
I was wondering if there would be a picture of our KC-135s refueling coalition warplanes in Iraq..
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Precisely! I was at the RSAF Open House this year and they had set up this mini wall pasting pics of RSAF assets contributions overseas...from SPs & Chinooks in Acheh to Chinooks during the Katrina rescue in the US.Originally posted by LazerLordz:....I was wondering if there would be a picture of our KC-135s refueling coalition warplanes in Iraq..
Even though there are pics of the 1st (?) RSAF contribution to the Iraqi theatre, the pics here are mostly of the C-130 with the associated RSAF personnel on guard duty and the pic of RSAF C-30 dropping flares.....
But aren't there any pics of RSAF AAR refuelling of US or other allied air assets there? I had the Osprey Book on 'USN F-14 units in OIF' and there are pics of RAF Victor & Tridents refuelling USN jets....but where are the elusive RSAF AAR pics? or how about other pics outside of that theatre?
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You hit the nail on the head. After 41 years of independence, our chaps still don't know how to profile themselves well in the foreign media in a way that projects the SAF's image professionally.Originally posted by Black Aces:But aren't there any pics of RSAF AAR refuelling of US or other allied air assets there? I had the Osprey Book on 'USN F-14 units in OIF' and there are pics of RAF Victor & Tridents refuelling USN jets....but where are the elusive RSAF AAR pics? or how about other pics outside of that theatre?
Anyone?
Speaking of tsunami, if you read Time, Newsweek or the recent National Geographic tsunami special, it would almost seem that the SAF was never there. Go figure. -
Yah boy....even some of their media (and even the ADF website!) even termed the 'R' in 'RSAF as 'Royal'! *FAINT*Originally posted by ChineseJunk:You hit the nail on the head. After 41 years of independence, our chaps still don't know how to profile themselves well in the foreign media in a way that projects the SAF's image professionally.
Speaking of tsunami, if you read Time, Newsweek or the recent National Geographic tsunami special, it would almost seem that the SAF was never there. Go figure.
p/s please, this thread is not to discuss on the wrong term, so let's reserve that discussion for another thread, shall we? Thanks. -
I cannot remember how I got my hands on this pic
But its something hard to come by. 2 Su-30Ks of the Indian Air Force in formation with 2 F-16Cs of our RSAF.
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OH yea nothing on the RSAF....i read them.No pictures,not even a mention.Originally posted by ChineseJunk:You hit the nail on the head. After 41 years of independence, our chaps still don't know how to profile themselves well in the foreign media in a way that projects the SAF's image professionally.
Speaking of tsunami, if you read Time, Newsweek or the recent National Geographic tsunami special, it would almost seem that the SAF was never there. Go figure. -
maybe it's time for the RSAF to come up with a publicity section in their orbatOriginally posted by |-|05|:OH yea nothing on the RSAF....i read them.No pictures,not even a mention. -
anyone got pictures of large formation of RSAF aircraft?
i remember there is one with 27-30 F-5E in an arrow formation in some magazine... but cant remember..
another one i saw with my own eyes (didnt bring camera) over at the padang during the rehearsal for 2000 (or may 2001) NDP... 32 F-16 in an arrow formation.
lastly... anyone got a close up of this old hawker hunter picture?
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The RSAF needs a Public Affairs Office.Originally posted by ChineseJunk:You hit the nail on the head. After 41 years of independence, our chaps still don't know how to profile themselves well in the foreign media in a way that projects the SAF's image professionally.
Speaking of tsunami, if you read Time, Newsweek or the recent National Geographic tsunami special, it would almost seem that the SAF was never there. Go figure.
It's quite sad, given that our contributions were discussed by other military forums, and they were quite surprised that we actually sent Chinooks to Louisiana. -
IMHO, we aim to be low profile, if we are not featured in those news articles, then the team in PA dept is doing an excellent job.Originally posted by ChineseJunk:You hit the nail on the head. After 41 years of independence, our chaps still don't know how to profile themselves well in the foreign media in a way that projects the SAF's image professionally.
Speaking of tsunami, if you read Time, Newsweek or the recent National Geographic tsunami special, it would almost seem that the SAF was never there. Go figure.
Why low profile? Reasons too many to post. Read the posts in this forum, you will know why. I will summarize in 1 sentence.
Walk softly and carry a big stick. -
U forget camp cannot bring camera phone in less camera....
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That's not the point.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:IMHO, we aim to be low profile, if we are not featured in those news articles, then the team in PA dept is doing an excellent job.
Why low profile? Reasons too many to post. Read the posts in this forum, you will know why. I will summarize in 1 sentence.
Walk softly and carry a big stick.
In this day and age, projection of soft power through HADR missions is the best way to illustrate benign power and force projection ability. Sometimes, showing a few gloved claws is better in a sense.. -
Excuse me, such scenarios normally apply if you're a big country (eg like the US), where you don't have to flaunt your military prowess (eg by sending a carrier CSG to the near waters) to a country that you want to signal your displeasure but just through the media or by diplomatic channels...b'cos the other guy know if they ignore such 'soft warnings', the US military might sail up overnight to his shores. And how the other know that? B'COS OF THE EXPOSURE OF THE US MILITARY PROWESS IN THE MEDIA!Originally posted by touchstone_2000:IMHO, we aim to be low profile, if we are not featured in those news articles, then the team in PA dept is doing an excellent job.[/quote]
PA is doing an excellent job? har? Are they doing anything in the 1st place?Why low profile? Reasons too many to post. Read the posts in this forum, you will know why...
Oh please....we are not requesting them to release sensitive or classified pics of RSAF Tigers carrying AMRAAMS or Vipers carrying non-Western weapons (if any!) or even HUD shots shots of a MiG-29, Su-30 or even a F/A-18 in the cross-hairs of a RSAF Viper HUD or a bomb-laden Viper!
What so sensitive of releasing pics of RSAF planes in formation with a friendly jet? Eg, RSAF Viper with FAF Mirage 2000 (during deployment to France), Viper/F-5/E-2 formation with RAAF Hornets, USAF during Ex Pitchblack, Viper with IAF Flankers.
Given the publicity conscious of MINDEF, doesn't the release of such harmless pics (unless the pics show RSAF jets carrying classified weapons) goes to show the 'excellent ties that the RSAF has with that foreign AF'?
It is the same effect that also sents through the release of pics of PM Lee shaking hands with PM Abdullah, US Sec-State Condolezza Rice shaking hands with FM George Yeo? President Nathan shakinh hands with King Abdullah....etc
[quote]Walk softly and carry a big stick
And how does a potential enemy know about Singapore's prowess when NOTHIN is known about the SAF internationally? Look at Katrina's case...so little is heard of the RSAF Chinook contribution internationally that years later, people will ask 'the RSAF was there? REALLY?" If you're referring to the Poison Shrimp concept, I personally felt that when that day do happens, we are in BIG TROUBLE! -
More publicity of this soft power kind would do well to bring up the status to the local population as well as act as a recruitment tool.
I dont see why they shouldnt write articles about it and stuff.Also helps to enhance the SAF's reputation in the world's eyes.Heck most dont even know our chinhooks were helping out in the USA in the wake of katrina(another non mention in the National geographic article) -
Here is something for everyone.Originally posted by |-|05|:More publicity of this soft power kind would do well to bring up the status to the local population as well as act as a recruitment tool.
I dont see why they shouldnt write articles about it and stuff.Also helps to enhance the SAF's reputation in the world's eyes.Heck most dont even know our chinhooks were helping out in the USA in the wake of katrina(another non mention in the National geographic article)
Birds of a strange feather
I can say, as a cruel but accurate joke, that in the course of reporting this story that I've heard more about the Republic of Singapore Air Force than FEMA, Mayor Nagin, Gov. Blanco, President Bush, and all the other obsessions of the the national media combined, which strongly suggests the usual suspects were at best, not central to what happened and at worst, out to lunch. What really happened with this crew is the subject of another story.
I continue to be fascinated by what the Republic of Singapore Air Force represents, namely the total collapse of reporting standards. Besides getting many of their facts wrong, my former colleagues missed the best damn human interest story I've heard in years. Pilots I interviewed mentioned sighting such an aircraft or hearing from someone who had. Later, one source who I will avoid naming here to spare embarassment scoffed and thought I made that one up, like other somebody invented baby raping.
I told him I'd heard about this mysterious RoS Chinook from one of his pilots, and that I'd found a web site in Texas that confirmed, vaguely, that there was some kind of helicopter that belonged to Singapore in the neighborhood. And that I'd included the anecdote because it was just too damn juicy to pass up. I am at heart a professional journalist, and willing to be a touch irresponsible when so moved.
As I later found out last week on the Web, the feisty little nation-state does not have enough airspace to run regular training programs for its tiny but world-class air force. So our allies from Singapore permanently station aircraft with the Texas National Guard in the U.S. And on any given day several hundred of its citizens, comprised of pilots, maintenance crews, and dependents, reside in the U.S and fly high performance fighters and helicopters for practice. In what could serve as a metaphor for all the reporting on Hurricane Katrina, even yours truly had underestimated their contribution. There wasn't a single Republic of Singapore Chinook that brought those foreign friends to help the Big Easy in its hour of desperate need. There were four.
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Wait... was that journalist complaining that only the 4 pilots were helping in the operations?
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We can always ask our guys to fly the permanent missing man formation.
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He was saying 4 helicopters helped out, instead of just 1. Basically, pleasantly surprised.
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can we get back to posting peektures?
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no he's using sarcasm to scold his colleaguesOriginally posted by Shotgun:Wait... was that journalist complaining that only the 4 pilots were helping in the operations? -
S'pore sends 4th Chinook helicopter to aid US hurricane relief efforts
By Julia Ng, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 05 September 2005 1952 hrs
SINGAPORE : The Republic of Singapore Air Force is despatching another Chinook helicopter to help in the Hurricane Katrina relief operations.
This will be the fourth military helicopter that Singapore is sending from its Grand Prairie base in Texas to assist in re-supply and airlifting missions in Louisiana.
Three RSAF Chinook helicopters joined in the rescue operations last Friday.
Forty-five RSAF personnel are now deployed in the mission.
The Defence Ministry says the RSAF Chinooks have flown 39 sorties, transporting several hundred evacuees and security personnel, and more than 10 tonnes of equipment and humanitarian supplies. - CNA /ct
American Ambassador to Singapore Frank Lavin said the American people were deeply grateful for Singapore's help. He added that RSAF personnel were saving lives in Louisiana and the other Gulf Coast States and Americans would long remember this.