Anyone knows why RSAF chose F15 SG over Typhoon or Rafale ?
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Rafale? I think thats a "No-no." Besides France, who else operates the Rafales? I can't think of any off hand. With fewer operators, an indirect end result would be costly and slow developments and upgrades. That is a situation would not benefit us at all.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:I agree!! I would like to point out it should be Rafale or Typhoon.
Strange that Typhoon would be highly rated for BVR missions, considering that Meteor is not even IOC
The Typhoons are... okayyyyy... Since there are at least 3 NATO members operating it now. Saudi Arabia, Italy and Austria are soon to be operators of the Typhoon as well. In terms of potential and pace of development, I would think that the Typhoons would surpass the French Rafales.
I think if we were to look for an air to air fighter, the Typhoon would stand a good chance. The best A2A fighter is too expensive, its water-down cousin is over-priced and under-loaded as well... I think the 3rd best option would be Typhoons. Lower cost, and good on capabilities. -
most of th ereasons are here already.....though i like both F-15SG and Typhoon....i would say the F-15SG can be on par with Typhoon/Rafale less supercruise....
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I suppose our potential enemy would be happily drinking teh tarik relac one corner, and the word "scramble" never existed in their dictionaryOriginally posted by storywolf:For those who like eurofighter & rafale, face the fact the ideal of plane able to outturn taking down another plane in dog-fight seem glorious. But they must not forget F-15 can do it also. But modern warfare already changing, with the new helmet sights and missiles which the plane manubility is not that important, they became more of missile platform carrier. Nowaday, you are more interest in taking out those planes before they even airborne, so F-15 is the better plane to get the job done.
LGB would do the AAM's job. -
That would of course, be an ideal scenario. =DOriginally posted by chillycraps:I suppose our potential enemy would be happily drinking teh tarik relac one corner, and the word "scramble" never existed in their dictionary
LGB would do the AAM's job. -
nw gone the era of LGB...nw is GPSOriginally posted by chillycraps:I suppose our potential enemy would be happily drinking teh tarik relac one corner, and the word "scramble" never existed in their dictionary
LGB would do the AAM's job. 
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my bad.Originally posted by duotiga83:nw gone the era of LGB...nw is GPS
thought a Mk82 dumb bomb is enough to do the job. -
Typhoon airframe design is circa late 80's? Making it stealthy is going to be an interesting exercise.Originally posted by Shotgun:Rafale? I think thats a "No-no." Besides France, who else operates the Rafales? I can't think of any off hand. With fewer operators, an indirect end result would be costly and slow developments and upgrades. That is a situation would not benefit us at all.
The Typhoons are... okayyyyy... Since there are at least 3 NATO members operating it now. Saudi Arabia, Italy and Austria are soon to be operators of the Typhoon as well. In terms of potential and pace of development, I would think that the Typhoons would surpass the French Rafales.
I think if we were to look for an air to air fighter, the Typhoon would stand a good chance. The best A2A fighter is too expensive, its water-down cousin is over-priced and under-loaded as well... I think the 3rd best option would be Typhoons. Lower cost, and good on capabilities. -
I feel this entire argument is based on the idea that northland is our main threat.
They are not anymore. -
Who then?Originally posted by LazerLordz:I feel this entire argument is based on the idea that northland is our main threat.
They are not anymore.
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don't tell me it's the big land mass to the west of Taiwan...Originally posted by papabear20046:Who then?
or maybe it's the threat from within. -
aiyah ... in the end ... Uncle Sam giveth .... Uncle Sam taketh away ....
chaps really think politics was not a factor at all in the decision ? ....
keeping 10000 americans employed is worth a lot more to us than 10000 frenchmen eh ? ... -
Northland still approves of any politician that bashes their Chinese and Singapore (From their perspective, Chinese). Abdullah is an anomally. But he is already under significant threat. There is no question that Northland is still unstable and poses a threat.Originally posted by papabear20046:Who then? -
what LL meant was ... they are no longer our only threat ...Originally posted by kenneth_loh:Northland still approves of any politician that bashes their Chinese and Singapore (From their perspective, Chinese). Abdullah is an anomally. But he is already under significant threat. There is no question that Northland is still unstable and poses a threat. -
For them, it is a need to bash Singapore to maintain domestic cohesion amongst the party alliance.Originally posted by kenneth_loh:Northland still approves of any politician that bashes their Chinese and Singapore (From their perspective, Chinese). Abdullah is an anomally. But he is already under significant threat. There is no question that Northland is still unstable and poses a threat.
Though we cannot rest our guard, it's worth noting that we have a stake in their current rule. The alternative may not be that nice. If being a bogeyman is a price we have to pay, it is a fair but grudging exchange of sorts.
Abdullah needs to keep his men in line, and it is through the same methodology that Mahathir used to employ, lecturing America as leader of the OIC, while privately ensuring that ties and cooperation remain stable and constant. You have to pander to certain groups to keep the status quo. -
Sorry, too quick with my fingersOriginally posted by Fatum:what LL meant was ... they are no longer our only threat ...
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F-15 definitely sounds like a politically-motivated choice.
First of all, we are flying ONLY US combat planes so weapon systems, techinical and logistics support etc all easier if we get another US combat aircraft.
US is now treating us like their godson, selling us some of their top-notch goodies with no questions asked, training our guys, letting our troops hold unilateral excercise in US, sharing intel...etc etc.
And how about JSF?
Also, the US can be counted on as a longtime ally for the future.
And finally, we are also desperately trying to sell them OUR STUFF like Ultimax, Bionix etc so good idea to cement the relationship further by F-15. Anything the US buys from us as standard issue will also see worldwide sales. We have many things that can potentially sell to them like our 155, SSW, Ultimax, mortars, CIS 50 etc.
F-15 is not a terrible choice, right...? Can still deal with most regional threats.
My personal favourite was the Typhoon. -
just curious, do we consider our Fokker-50 with Harpoon as combat plane as well?Originally posted by moca:F-15 definitely sounds like a politically-motivated choice.
First of all, we are flying ONLY US combat planes so weapon systems, techinical and logistics support etc all easier if we get another US combat aircraft. -
There are no such thing categorisation of "combat" or non-combat plane. As long as its part of the air force, its a "combatant."
It is considered a Maritime Patrol Aircraft. -
So it them n......? Someone beyond........Northeast?Originally posted by Fatum:what LL meant was ... they are no longer our only threat ... -
For all we know, this NGF selection thingy was all a big farce to give legitimate cover for the F-15s we already bought and had pilots in training years ago, so big they managed to sucker in Sukhoi, EADS and Dassault to take part.
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Originally posted by Fatum:what LL meant was ... they are no longer our only threat ...
If I understand the english here, LL said they are not our threat anymore, not "no longer our ONLY threat."Originally posted by LazerLordz:I feel this entire argument is based on the idea that northland is our main threat.
They are not anymore.
If northland is no longer our only threat, that means we are facing more threat now than before. We must have diamonds kept somewhere. -
Sg will pay for not choosing Eurofighter or Rafales....
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F 15 SG definitely best choice for air to ground at this point in time.
An earlier posting mentioned that buying F 15 SG will somehow put us in better position to sell Ultimax, Bionix , etc. I don't think so ; US choice of weapons also politically motivated . Also, value of any possible Ultimax or howitzer sale to US is miniscule compared to the hardware we are purchasing from US . Anyway, many components in our hardware such as the Bionix are from US - guns and engines. -
The ROC air force fly rafale... But muz take into consideration that F15 have a score of 101 victories and 0 defeats...
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the northern dragon is certainly one of them ... I used to see them as the new "rising sun" ... but then again, no one in the right mind would want to go up against them, no ? ... certainly not us .... but we also have a potential "eagle" on the loose ... somewhere else ....Originally posted by sgdiehard:If I understand the english here, LL said they are not our threat anymore, not "no longer our ONLY threat."
If northland is no longer our only threat, that means we are facing more threat now than before. We must have diamonds kept somewhere.
why do we need a long range aircraft for ? ... take out a map of south east asia and the answer'd be clear, no ? ...
that country has the potential to become a real basket case one day, and as a terrorist or fundamentalist haven it'll be worse for us and the entire region than 10 Iraqs or Afghanistans ...