Bronco Mortar Tracked Carrier
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Mortar Tracked Carrier on Bronco.
Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier.Watch the video.Designed with an unprecedented payload of up to 5 tonnes, the Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier has been built to meet the deployment needs of the future battlefield.
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ez to use like sms ;p -
samsung or nokia sms?
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why manually re load the mortars.pl watch the news clips fr DSTA.
The ATTC (Bronco)
The ATTC Bronco, equally able on land or water.
General Specifications
Crew Capacity -
16 (6 front + 10 rear)
Weight
When Empty: 11200kg
Combat Capacity: 16000kg
Dimensions
Length: 8.6m
Height: 2.2m
Width: 2.3m
Performance
Maximum Speed: 60km/h on road, 5km/h on water
Maximum Road Range: 500km
Special Capability
Able to move in water
Other Armoured Vehicles
BIONIX 40 / 50 Variant
AMX 13-SM1
M113 Ultra Ows
M113 Ultra 40 / 50 -
Using the SRAM systems mounted on the Bronco, the sustained firing rate is maintained... But the shock and awe effect is reduced as there's four SRAMs Broncos in replacement of six mortars APCs...
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Hmmm..........it seems that ST is still mainly designing weapons and vehicles chiefly for SAF.
One thing is that wad advantage can one get by throwing the round into the barrel using a mechanical device rather than by hand? I mean for howitzers I understand, due to the super heavy 155 round. But the 120mm round dun really weigh a ton rite? And won't a two carriage vehicle cause a logistics strain to the formation? I mean getting a Bionix based family of vehicles would be more prudent rite?
Lastly, any news for Terrex? Any hope of getting them into SAF? I mean it is amphibious and could supplement the 21 DIV. Think some wad like the stryker combat team. They can capitalise the urban roads now widely available in our neighbouring lands. -
due to the mounting of the system, the barrel is unusally HIGH. that makes it not possible for us to load it by hand. and yes, if it is possible, it would be more stable if it was handloaded.Originally posted by equlus84:Hmmm..........it seems that ST is still mainly designing weapons and vehicles chiefly for SAF.
One thing is that wad advantage can one get by throwing the round into the barrel using a mechanical device rather than by hand? I mean for howitzers I understand, due to the super heavy 155 round. But the 120mm round dun really weigh a ton rite? And won't a two carriage vehicle cause a logistics strain to the formation? I mean getting a Bionix based family of vehicles would be more prudent rite?
Lastly, any news for Terrex? Any hope of getting them into SAF? I mean it is amphibious and could supplement the 21 DIV. Think some wad like the stryker combat team. They can capitalise the urban roads now widely available in our neighbouring lands. -
The SuperRapid mortar looks too complex. It looks good on paper. I think more reliable to place bomb by hand - it works all the time - no mechanical equipment needed that can go wrong ( usually happens at the most importune time ).
For example, all current Western MBTs use a human loader. Lots of problems with autoloaders in other tank designs - mainly Russian.
I am all for technology improvements , but shud adhere to the principal of KISS. -
Not true. Leclerc has auto loader. And the newer western pieces also have auto loader. The german new self propelled artillery has auto loader.
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The only Western MBT to my knowledge which has an autoloader is of course the Leclerc. Also, there are only several hundred Leclercs in service against many thousands of battle tested Western MBTs in service today which stick to manual loaders - good reason for it - its simple, reliable and works all the time. Also, check out the actual rates of fire between a manually loaded MBT vs a autoloader - manual loading is much faster.
Self propelled artillery is different from MBTs. Most of them do not have autoloaders but have flick rammers instead so that they can achieve high rates of fire with around 3 rounds in 15 seconds - shoot and scoot tactics.
Complex weapons are good when they work. -
nice vehicle to drive, like a car hehe auto gear somemore. but u dun like it when ur the passengers n the driver is driving v fast thru bumpy roads
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Even sub like e TR-1700 has auto-loaders now
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Actual fire rates i've checked before and the speed difference is negligible because it will take quite a few rounds before it get's noticed much and by then he'd be tired meaning the rate will be lowered.Originally posted by glock:The only Western MBT to my knowledge which has an autoloader is of course the Leclerc. Also, there are only several hundred Leclercs in service against many thousands of battle tested Western MBTs in service today which stick to manual loaders - good reason for it - its simple, reliable and works all the time. Also, check out the actual rates of fire between a manually loaded MBT vs a autoloader - manual loading is much faster.
Self propelled artillery is different from MBTs. Most of them do not have autoloaders but have flick rammers instead so that they can achieve high rates of fire with around 3 rounds in 15 seconds - shoot and scoot tactics.
Complex weapons are good when they work.
They are moving to autoloaders.You just havent seen much western MBT's with them because those tanks were designed long ago when autoloaders werent very reliable.
Almost every french tank since the AMX13 has had an auto loader.The US AGS M8 had an auto loader,the future US tank is suppose to have a crew of 2 and an autoloader. -
Which French MBTs after the AMX 13 have an autoloader ? Also an AMX is not a MBT. All Western MBTs in current service have manual loaders. Autoloaders require the guns to be elevated to the right level for the autolader to operate and feed the round. The human loader is still much faster & can keep on going until all rounds are expended which is not usually the case. A tank can carry only 30 to 40 main rounds.
The trend is to keep current MBTs for as long as possible and upgrade their data comms, armor & ammo. The MBT will definitely be a very different animal in 20 years time. Probably with 2 man crews in the hull, autoloaders & remote optics. But that will be a long time away. -
I didnt say french BMT i say French tank and the AMX13 is a light tank mah.Originally posted by glock:Which French MBTs after the AMX 13 have an autoloader ? Also an AMX is not a MBT. All Western MBTs in current service have manual loaders. Autoloaders require the guns to be elevated to the right level for the autolader to operate and feed the round. The human loader is still much faster & can keep on going until all rounds are expended which is not usually the case. A tank can carry only 30 to 40 main rounds.
The trend is to keep current MBTs for as long as possible and upgrade their data comms, armor & ammo. The MBT will definitely be a very different animal in 20 years time. Probably with 2 man crews in the hull, autoloaders & remote optics. But that will be a long time away.
All Western? The Leclarc uses an Auto loader like some one already said.
The M8 ags uses and autoloader.And like i say,new tanks are already headed in that direction.Not really a long time away.The US is already devloping them.
And no a human loader cannot keep up the rate of load.Even if he could for the full 30-40 rounds, can he do it after being on duty say 30 hours?fire off 5-15 rounds then wait and patrol then fire off another 15 rounds or so in the next engagment?Will be manage to keep up the rate?Or how about after firing 30 rounds,resup then go off and fire again to fire off that 30 rounds?I highly doubt.
And yes the gun does need to be in a certain position,but the newer loaders allow it to be loaded in most positions unless the gun is in some super high elevation.Otherwise a some degs up or down is ok.
Anyway,since most tanks and guns area headed that way,i guess our motar just got there 1st.
Afterall naval guns have been using autoloaders for quite sometime already though they are big.
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Your argument is not very logical. You tell me "tanks are not artillery". But then you are the one who said "because western tanks don't use autoloader...blah blah". But we are talking about Bronco Mortar here! That is artillery!
Also I'm not as dumb as you think....pointing out to me that flick rammer is not autoloader......I know that. But like I said the NEW german self propelled artillery uses autoloader. Why don't you go find out first before arguing? The one I'm talking about is pzh2000.
Also the french leclerc is the only western tank using autoloader because it came out after Leopard 2, M1 and Challenger.
And if you look at later western weapons, like pzh2000. it also uses autoloader. -
Many Western two man tank or three man tanks with autoloaders have been in the experimental & development stage since the 1970s. None reached the production stage - maybe Leclerc only - French are smarter.
XM 8 with the X means Xperimental. It never was put into production because it ended up to be more expensive than the M1 - less bang for more bucks.
Naval guns have autoloaders because they can utilise the 4 to 6 m space below decks for the ammo handling and automation system. Also, naval guns are multipurpose and need higher rates of fire when firing at airplanes - autoloading is essential. -
Defense Industry Daily article
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/11/doublejointed-popular-the-bv-family-of-infantry-support-vehicles-updated/index.php
The BvS-10 is the successor to the wildly popular Bv206, 11,000 of which have been sold to 40 countries around the world - including the USA (M97
. It is in use in both Britain and the Netherlands as a key armored vehicle for their respective Marines, and is under evaluation elsewhere. Singapore has developed and manufactured an improved variant of its own called the Bronco ATTC, and Finland and Norway also have their own local Bv-206 variants.
What makes this unusual-looking vehicle family so popular? They aren't like Hummers or similar wheeled mainstays. They aren't full armored personnel carriers, either - though they are armored, Bv family vehicles won't take the kind of punishment that a Bradley or LAV can absorb. Instead, the secret to their success lies in a remarkable all-terrain capability, and their ability to fill a rare and critical role: air-portable and amphibious infantry enhancement.
DID discusses these success factors, and covers contracts and key developments related to this vehicle family. The lastest development is the first ever operation involving the new BvS-10 Viking vehicle in Helmland Province, Afghanistan. The British Royal Marines will be relying on their new vehicles to offer all of the benefits DID is about to discuss, and even have a video of the operation.... -
But loading of Bronco,above, is 4800 kg ,much higher than 3160 kg of BvS10 !!
Double-Jointed & Popular: The Bv Family of Infantry Support Vehicles (updated)
2. Loading capacity of Viking (BvS10) and Bv206S is 2500 to 3160 kg.
pl read Army Technology at the botttom of Double-Jointed & Popular: The Bv Family of Infantry Support Vehicles (updated)
But Bronco is 4800 kg!!
3.Bronco get chance to replace Bv family.