Singapore Army Introduces Bionix II Infantry Fighting Vehicl
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I was told SAF have the 3 against 1 policy unless we outnumber the enemy we wont take on them
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AFAIK, we do have that doctrine, down to the smallest company level tactics, but that's for attacking, if the doctrine hasn't changed since I ORDed.Originally posted by seancannot:I was told SAF have the 3 against 1 policy unless we outnumber the enemy we wont take on them -
Most army use the same ratio.Originally posted by chillycraps:AFAIK, we do have that doctrine, down to the smallest company level tactics, but that's for attacking, if the doctrine hasn't changed since I ORDed.
For IDF, MOUT or Urban warfare , it is 5:1. -
UK Royal Marines Battalion:- 1 x "Command Company": (HQ, signals, sniper, commando recon) 1 x "Logistics Company": (logistics, workshop, medical/surgical [full Field Surgical Team], motor platoon [40 Viking armored amphibious all terrain tracked APCs]) 2 x "Stand-Off Companies" (24 anti-tank missile [Javelin] TEAMS in TWO platoons ; 32 heavy [50 cal] and medium [30 cal] machine gun teams in TWO platoons; 12 mortar teams [81mm] in TWO platoons; 6 Fire Support Teams [mortar, artillery, air and naval]; 4 Air Defense Teams [Starstreak missiles] 2 x Close Action Companies: Each of 3 x Commando Rifle Troops of 30 men; each platoon with 6 x Minimi SAW, 6 x LSW, 6 x grenadiers, 6 x riflemen plus Troop command element. Plus commando company HQ Each Stand-Off Company supports each Close Action Company during an assault: 2 support 2. This means that 100 commandos in the assault have the full time dedicated support from 16 medium/heavy machineguns, 12 ATGW, 6 mortars plus snipers, anti-air etc. Each CA company can also "draw forward" assets like sniper, mortar etc as needed under its command. Lastly 1 x artillery battery permanently assigned to it.
Overkill? Or way to go for us? Marines need to independent unit for arduous operations in hostile climates/shores -
Sorry, misunderstand.Originally posted by gary1910:Comments???
Gun is a long range weapon & "semi flat track", it not a issue at all if the tgt is not at the max range.
Mortar is short range & high projector weapon, logically it can, provided the tgt range does cover by various charges & have sufficient time of fight delta.
By the way mortar round it guided by the tail fin whereas gun round is cause by the coil thread in the barrel, which is better for gun. Off cause both of it would have the met message apply for apple to apple comparison.
Come back to your question. Normally gun will not fire at high projector reason being is: -
High track higher change of pick up by red force radar.
Time of fight longer
Need higher charger which mean higher barrel wear rate, reduce the life of barrel. -
SG army can introduce anything they want or but anything they want but can never win a war should it be involved in one
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hehehe.... we actually buy military hardware to keep the economy going, and let our young people have fun in shooting game with real bullets, fly real fighter jets, just waiting for some building to destroy. you know what is war?Originally posted by Coquitlam:SG army can introduce anything they want or but anything they want but can never win a war should it be involved in one
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Originally posted by Coquitlam:SG army can introduce anything they want or but anything they want but can never win a war should it be involved in one
Not *******rean? But he a @$#!%sian spy?Originally posted by sgdiehard:hehehe.... we actually buy military hardware to keep the economy going, and let our young people have fun in shooting game with real bullets, fly real fighter jets, just waiting for some building to destroy. you know what is war? 
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Its great to see so many replies on this topic.Originally posted by Coquitlam:SG army can introduce anything they want or but anything they want but can never win a war should it be involved in one
Its also great to know that there are ignorant biased people who cannot back up what they say with evidence. -
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ok Coquitlam, we know that u have left singapore. and since u have already done that, y continue to bash singapore? is there a need?Originally posted by Coquitlam:SG army can introduce anything they want or but anything they want but can never win a war should it be involved in one -
Lots of people left Singapore, for better or for worse, its their choice, but only those who left but require regular running down of singapore to convince them they made the right decisions. People like them will never make it anywhere.Originally posted by saline:ok Coquitlam, we know that u have left singapore. and since u have already done that, y continue to bash singapore? is there a need?
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Aiya, there are those who are better off and have the money to migrate. For people like us, no choice, we either make it or break it here. For me, until I have the option to migrate (not just in terms of finances), I'll just have to make the best of things here.
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Despite what you may think of SAF, it is in reality a very potent deterrent & is very capable of inflicting mortal damage to anyone with ill intentions on S'pore.
As an NS man,with the training given, you possess the means & skills to fight as a soldier. Our NS man may not be as good man-to-man as a army regular from an all professional army, but we are not going to fight on a man-to-man basis with whoever takes us on.
An opponent has to contend firstly with our Air Force, which is rated the best in SEA by the likes of the RAAF and USAF. Our air force can deal out massive destruction to an opponent in the air, ground and sea.
In terms of doctrine , organization & infrastructure, our Army is a very credible opponent. Its performance depends mainly on the NS man. Given the fighting spirit and leadership & coupled with the training, the Army can deliver fatal blows to an opponent.
Take the scenario of yourself , an NS man , out in the field alone with Rambo as your opponent. If you have to fight Rambo on a one to one basis with your bare hands, there will be no doubt who the winner will be. Give Rambo a rifle and yourself a rifle, coupled with your training, the odds change dramatically in the NS man's favor. When you add our strength in artillery , armor, comms, C4 I plus the airforce, the opponent has to be insane to take the SAF on.
NS man, train hard & fight hard ! We are not quitters right ! -
Are you some propaganda officer..???Originally posted by glock:Despite what you may think of SAF, it is in reality a very potent deterrent & is very capable of inflicting mortal damage to anyone with ill intentions on S'pore.
As an NS man,with the training given, you possess the means & skills to fight as a soldier. Our NS man may not be as good man-to-man as a army regular from an all professional army, but we are not going to fight on a man-to-man basis with whoever takes us on.
An opponent has to contend firstly with our Air Force, which is rated the best in SEA by the likes of the RAAF and USAF. Our air force can deal out massive destruction to an opponent in the air, ground and sea.
In terms of doctrine , organization & infrastructure, our Army is a very credible opponent. Its performance depends mainly on the NS man. Given the fighting spirit and leadership & coupled with the training, the Army can deliver fatal blows to an opponent.
Take the scenario of yourself , an NS man , out in the field alone with Rambo as your opponent. If you have to fight Rambo on a one to one basis with your bare hands, there will be no doubt who the winner will be. Give Rambo a rifle and yourself a rifle, coupled with your training, the odds change dramatically in the NS man's favor. When you add our strength in artillery , armor, comms, C4 I plus the airforce, the opponent has to be insane to take the SAF on.
NS man, train hard & fight hard ! We are not quitters right !
The only 2 words I love to hear is "exercise cut!" -
Hmm...... I was wondering......
How does our Bionix2 stand against the other Asian IFV. In terms of firepower, protection and mobility?
The current IFV in Asia i mean the tracked ones like....
Korea: KIFV, NIFV
China: Type86, type97
SEA: M113, AIFV, Adnan, BTR-50.........
Does the BX have a cutting age against them? In terms of sensors and battlefield awareness, yes. Like we do have thermal imagers on BX2. But in terms of fire power? Like the type86 have a 73mm short barrel cannon, as it is a license copy of the BMP1. Does this mean we main lose out in fire power? Also, from wad is discussed above, it seems the BX can only tahan the most a 14.7mm round. Does this mean a RPG round, even the crude version can easily make a meal out of the BX2? -
I'm not qualified to compare IFVs. However, the entire BMS gives SAF Armored vehicles equipped with it greater situational awareness.Originally posted by equlus84:Hmm...... I was wondering......
How does our Bionix2 stand against the other Asian IFV. In terms of firepower, protection and mobility?
The current IFV in Asia i mean the tracked ones like....
Korea: KIFV, NIFV
China: Type86, type97
SEA: M113, AIFV, Adnan, BTR-50.........
Does the BX have a cutting age against them? In terms of sensors and battlefield awareness, yes. Like we do have thermal imagers on BX2. But in terms of fire power? Like the type86 have a 73mm short barrel cannon, as it is a license copy of the BMP1. Does this mean we main lose out in fire power? Also, from wad is discussed above, it seems the BX can only tahan the most a 14.7mm round. Does this mean a RPG round, even the crude version can easily make a meal out of the BX2?
Yes, an RPG would most likely kill an BX or BX2 without reactive armor.
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This 3 to 1 "policy" is standard doctrine amongst Armies in general.Originally posted by seancannot:I was told SAF have the 3 against 1 policy unless we outnumber the enemy we wont take on them
That is why most military unit structure is "triangular".... 3 section 1 platoon, 3 platoon 1 company, 3 companies 1 battlion, 3 battlions 1 brigade, 3 brigade 1 division...etc etc....
So when attacking a enemy platoon, you deploy your company which is 3 platoons.... -
Not true. IIRC, the US ARmy has 4 tank platoons per coy, and + a 2 tank HQ. Each tank platoon has 4 tanks each, subdivided into pairs. 1 acting as the lead's wingman.
The 3 on 1 policy has nothing to do with the organisation. IMO, its just a general guideline recognising that in order to attack successfully, in a quick and decisive manner, you need to amass a critical mass of firepower to overwhelm the enemy.
The 3 on 1 might even increase to 5 on 1 or 6 on 1, if there is inadequate support.
I was told by my OC that on the defense, we are expected to hold up 1 to 5!
Whoever said war wasn't a number game? -
See below....Originally posted by Shotgun:Not true. IIRC, the US ARmy has 4 tank platoons per coy, and + a 2 tank HQ. Each tank platoon has 4 tanks each, subdivided into pairs. 1 acting as the lead's wingman.
The 3 on 1 policy has nothing to do with the organisation. IMO, its just a general guideline recognising that in order to attack successfully, in a quick and decisive manner, you need to amass a critical mass of firepower to overwhelm the enemy.
The 3 on 1 might even increase to 5 on 1 or 6 on 1, if there is inadequate support.
I was told by my OC that on the defense, we are expected to hold up 1 to 5!
Whoever said war wasn't a number game?
[edit] Canadian Army
Canadian Forces organisation is modelled after the British. However, a Canadian infantry battalion consists of three or four rifle companies identified by letter (A Company, B Company, etc), a Combat Support Company, and an Administration Support Company. A notable exception is The Royal Canadian Regiment which names its companies sequentially throughout the regiment from the Duke of Edinburgh's Company (instead of A Company) in the 1st Battalion to Z Company in the 4th Battalion.
The Combat Support Company administratively contains the specialized infantry platoons such as Recce Platoon, Pioneer Platoon, HQ and Signals Platoon, Anti-Armour Platoon, and Mortar Platoon. The Administration Support Company contains the support tradesmen which a battalion requires, such as cooks, vehicle technicians, supply, medics, etc.
[edit] United States Army
In the United States military, infantry companies are usually made up of three rifle platoons and a heavy weapons platoon; tank companies are usually made up of three tank platoons and a command element. An infantry company is usually commanded by an army captain. By tradition, the corresponding unit of artillery is always called a "battery." The term "troop" was historically used for horse cavalry, and is sometimes retained for armored units.
Organic companies, which are not separate from their parent battalion, are identified by letter - for example, "A Company, 1st Battalion, 15th Rifle Regiment". The letters are usually pronounced using the NATO phonetic alphabet or, before that, the Joint Army/Navy Phonetic Alphabet, resulting in names such as "Bravo Company" and "Echo Company" (formerly "Baker" and "Easy" Companies, respectively). Companies with a separate Table of Organization and Equipment are identified by a number, and are able to operate completely independently from any other unit's support. Company-sized units which are organized under a Table of Distribution and Allowance are identified with a name.
Company-sized units usually consist of four to six platoons (each commanded by a Lieutenant), although there are examples of Combat Service and Combat Service Support companies that have seven or more platoons. For example, a Transportation Terminal Service Company normally has two Ship Platoons, two Shore Platoons, one Documentation Platoon, one Maintenance Platoon, and the Headquarters Platoon. These platoons are commanded by First Lieutenants, while the company is commanded by a Major.
There are some special units that have platoons commanded by Captains, such as some aviation platoons and many special forces units. This is not a punishment, but rather an honor, as those platoons usually have some special operational capacity that requires them to be commanded by an officer with more experience than a Lieutenant. A Captain reports to his commander, usually the battalion commander (a Lieutenant Colonel). However, there are some administrative and other duties at battalion level and larger (brigade or division) which are also handled by Captains, for example the S-1 through S-4 officers of a battalion, or some staff positions in the G shops at division
A company is typically commanded by a Captain, although there are certain Combat Service and Combat Service Support companies that are large enough, and specially configured to require the command of a Major. The senior non commissioned officer of a company is called a First Sergeant, and this job is always assigned to an NCO who holds the First Sergeant rank.
[edit] United States Marine Corps
A Marine Corps rifle company consists of:
three rifle platoons
a weapons platoon
a Navy corpsman
an administrative clerk
a police sergeant (typically holding the rank of corporal or sergeant)
a training NCO
a Company Gunnery Sergeant
a First Sergeant
an Executive Officer (XO), typically a First Lieutenant
a Commanding Officer (CO), typically a Captain
A weapons company has in place of the three rifle platoons, an 81 mm mortar platoon, an anti-armor platoon, and a heavy machine gun platoon.
The following depicts the structure of a headquarters and support company: Headquarters platoon consists of Marines from S-1, S-2, S-3, and the Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Defense section. Next is the H&S Communications platoon, consisting of Radiomen, Wiremen, Techs, Data Marines, and the associated staff. Next is Service platoon, comprised of S-4, Motor Transportation, and Supply. The last platoon in H&S Company is the Battalion Aid Station, or BAS. The BAS is staffed entirely by Navy Corpsman. -
Hi folks, there is this interesting Taiwan military forum I found on the webbie. It claims that our Bionix was sent to Taiwan for testing and evaluation by their military!! This is interesting, as I onli knew ST did a private venture with on of their defense company to create a rapid firing 40mm air defence gun.
http://taiwanbbs.org/cgi/index.pl?b=mil,v=display,m=1104479260,s=120 -
I heard the BXII has provisions for at least ERA.
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IMHO, the Bionix driver's hatch can be better designed.
Wonder why they made is upward opening, blocking the traverse of the main gun. Do you know there is a limit swich when the hatch is up?
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Perhaps I am wrong, but I think the main purpose of the safety limit switch is to prevent the driver's head being knocked off by the gun.Originally posted by touchstone_2000:IMHO, the Bionix driver's hatch can be better designed.
Wonder why they made is upward opening, blocking the traverse of the main gun. Do you know there is a limit swich when the hatch is up?
why can it be like the M1's driver hatch where it lift up and swing open?
This pix show us how close the 25mm gun to the driver:
So it does not matter whether the hatch swing upward or side sliding like most MBT.