Flamethrowers
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The government was asked yesterday to explain why the US failed to tell it the truth about use on Iraq of incendiary bombs, successors to the napalm used in Vietnam.
In use.....Under different names/forms
The MoD repeatedly denied Mark 77 incendiary bombs were dropped, on the basis of US assurances. Defence secretary John Reid now says the assurances, made to predecessor Geoff Hoon, were wrong and he "must correct the position".
US Marines dropped 30 Mark 77 fire bombs between March 31 and April 2 2003 "against military targets away from civilian areas". In a letter to Michael Ancram, shadow defence secretary, Mr Reid also says: The MK77 does not have the same composition as napalm, although it has similar destructive characteristics.
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It was a lesson on the different types of grenades.Originally posted by 12qwaszx:either your bmt was before my time, or your instructors were bullshitting the recruits with dummy WP grenades because:
1. Unless your instructors were planning to expend the WP nades during nade range, he won't have his hands on 1
2. your instructors kapo 1 himself and used it for demonstration
3. he picked up a blind WP nade
4. WP nades can only be thrown at specific location(s) in singapore
Whether it was dummy or not, we didn't know at that time. But it was supposed to be on issue. It is a canister grenade like the Smoke Grenade.
We joked at the time that it was damn easy to get the 2 mixed up especially in the dark as they are all same size and shape.
None of us ordinary servicemen had been issued live grenades other than at the hand grenade range. And then it is the SFG-87. I have never heard of hand grenades being used for live firing excercise.
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most likely dummy.Originally posted by moca:It was a lesson on the different types of grenades.
Whether it was dummy or not, we didn't know at that time. But it was supposed to be on issue. It is a canister grenade like the Smoke Grenade.
We joked at the time that it was damn easy to get the 2 mixed up especially in the dark as they are all same size and shape.
None of us ordinary servicemen had been issued live grenades other than at the hand grenade range. And then it is the SFG-87. I have never heard of hand grenades being used for live firing excercise.
Do you have any documented evidence that SAF don't stockpile WP grenades?
correct, live frag nades are normally not used during L/F exercises, UNLESS really got special requests (none that i've heard of too)
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The fuel mixture in the Fuel Containers is difficult to light which is why magnesium filled igniters are required when the weapon is fired.
The parts in bold explain exactly why we don't use flame throwers.
Fire a bullet into a metal can filled with diesel or napalm and it will merely leak out the hole unless the round was an incendiary type that could possibly ignite the mixture inside.
This also applies to the flame thrower Fuel Container
Yes, it may be true that a normal bullet may not ignite the mixture in the tanks and an incendiary bullet is needed...
But in modern warfare as many as one in three bullets loaded in a standard rifle magazine is a TRACER (i.e. a bullet with either a Magnesium phosphate or White phosphorous coated tip) making it incendiary in nature. -
burn baby burnOriginally posted by Quirinus:The parts in bold explain exactly why we don't use flame throwers.
Yes, it may be true that a normal bullet may not ignite the mixture in the tanks and an incendiary bullet is needed...
But in modern warfare as many as one in three bullets loaded in a standard rifle magazine is a TRACER (i.e. a bullet with either a Magnesium phosphate or White phosphorous coated tip) making it incendiary in nature. -
The Magnesium phosphate or White phosphorous bit is in the base not the tip.Originally posted by Quirinus:TRACER (i.e. a bullet with either a Magnesium phosphate or White phosphorous coated tip) making it incendiary in nature.
On the WP gren supposedly shown to recruits, urban legend again.
Grenades and the like are considered ammo, casual handling sound more like a wet dream than real world.
Even SPG 82 (training grenade) issued for FIBUA during BCTC got to sign here, expend, sign here, swear "I, NRIC No, Rank and Name ..etc";
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WP grenade i have never seen in ammo base but RP-(Red phosphorous) grenade have. 155MM WP, 120MM WP motar bomb also have but these r use 2 generate SMOKE 2 concel troops
U know wat i mean 
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Wow! Such arrogance....Originally posted by baer:On the WP gren supposedly shown to recruits, urban legend again. Grenades and the like are considered ammo, casual handling sound more like a wet dream than real world.
What are you? An expert on SAF? You know EVERYTHING about SAF?
Just because you didn't have the same experience in SAF doesn't mean it is urban legend or wet dream.
Casual handling of live ammo?
Did I say they were live?
What gave you the idea there was casual handling in the first place?
The people handling them were INSTRUCTORS, they were SHOWN to us recruits, not HANDED to us. So actually, I don't know if it live or deactivated etc. As green recruits, will we be able to dream up the term WP if it wasn't part of the lesson?
It was a lesson about different types of grenades. If there were no grenades during the lesson, live or deactivated, how the fu.ck are they going to conduct a lesson about grenades?
Using Powerpoint presentation? -
In terms of thermobaric weapons, might as well use a MOAB. Aka Mother of All Bombs.
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Yes RP grenade comes in canister form like a smoke grenade but red in colour(made oversea ?) OR white with red strike at both end(made locally ?)
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do u believe that?Originally posted by spartan6:WP grenade i have never seen in ammo base but RP-(Red phosphorous) grenade have. 155MM WP, 120MM WP motar bomb also have but these r use 2 generate SMOKE 2 concel troops U know wat i mean
go google how WP makes smoke -
i know but me dun wana get into trouble
so lets just say they r used 2 generate SMOKE like i say u know wat i means 
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During the lesson in BMT, the instructors told us that the WP substance that is spewed out sticks to the skin and keeps burning until there's a hole into the flesh and apparently cannot be washed off with water and has to burn itself out.
The WP canister grenade looked like a smoke grenade, so it can be easily confused with a true smoke grenade especially at night inside the forest when you can't see anything. Other than its nasty effect, this must also be a concern for widespread issue.
Ordinary smoke grenades for signal or cover must be made of things other than WP. For one, they do not burst but just sprays out the smoke.
However, I think that if you throw a WP at the enemy, it has the double effect of burning them as well as producing smoke to obscure their vision or mark their position for airstrike etc.
So maybe WP arty shells are fired at the enemy for the same dual purpose. If the enemies under WP attack can't see, they can't shoot. And those that got burnt would be screaming and causing a lot of distress.
US recently began using WP against insurgents in Iraq. Signs of desperation.
In Korea, the US used WP. The PLA feared it tremendously. They released some captured US POW with the message that should the any US trooper be captured with WP, the PLA will use it on him. -
The smoke grenade is either white phosphorus without burster(with base ejecting holes) or its made of Hexachloroethane.